[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Liferaft question


Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Here are two suggestions for all of you that I believe will be acceptable to all, possibly even Captain Amel would like #2  (I hope so). We have done both and are currently configured with #2:

1.) We removed everything from the liferaft locker and placed 10 of the 18.9 liter Jerry cans inside. Then placed the liferaft inside the aft end of the cockpit lazarette.

2.) We placed 4 of the 18.9 liter Jerry cans in the bottom of the liferaft locker, then a wood "shelf," cut to size, on top of the Jerry cans. On the shelf we place the liferaft, one 25 liter emergency water, a ditch bag, and a dry bag with a hand pump water maker. Be sure to secure the bitter end of the rip cord.

I like number 2 the best because it solves all issues, especially UV and heat damage to the liferaft.

We have carried extra fuel on ocean passages, but never used any of it.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Jan 18, 2017 4:35 PM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Steve,


We have a 6 man Plastimo Transocean mounted in a stainless holder on the outside of the port aft rail. It has a 3 year service turnaround and we've done it twice now.
I personally don't like the idea of having the liferaft in a compartment. When you need it, it needs to be able to be deployed quickly and that's only really possible if it is outside somewhere.
We use that port side deck compartment for spare fuel containers.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 


Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Bill

We currently use your option #1 (think we copied it from you in 2011) but with only 9 x jerry cans (22.5L@) in that space (10th one doesn't fit in our case) and the 10th jerry can under the captain's seat. Crossing the Atlantic (and Pacific) in 2012 we used up all that fuel as and when space was available in the main tank to keep stability low. That really worked well for us and meant we could keep the fuel in those cans fresh..

We had considered your option #2 however in our case our fuel cans are plastic and  we did not want to put all the weight of our heavy life raft on top of timber shelf resting on the lower layer of plastic jerry cans, and for good reason it turns out as on recently using them to refuel one actually had over time managed to develop a leak at the base. Having fuel leaking from those cans, through the plug at the base of the liferaft locker (which could be possible even though we plug that hole) is not an attractive option.

Interesting how many countless times a topic comes up on this forum and is so helpful just as we were considering that very issue on our own.. Right now our original 2001 Amel supplied 6 man Zodiac life is needing to be re-certified yet again, and we were just wondering if time had finally come for us to move to a new one, and place it on the rear rail after reading a recent Yachting World article which concluded that this is the safest place to access them, and after also seing it doen on another SM in NZ. 

What amazing value we get from this forum. Another example this week, since we are on the hard, in addition to the normal bow thruster bearing and Prop wearing bearing replacements we now are also having a new autoprop bearing kit sent out from Bruntons/Autoprop in the UK. This was not our normal haul-out list but now will be every 800 hours. Thanks again.

Colin and Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Gold Coast, Australia

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 9:13 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Here are two suggestions for all of you that I believe will be acceptable to all, possibly even Captain Amel would like #2  (I hope so). We have done both and are currently configured with #2:

1.) We removed everything from the liferaft locker and placed 10 of the 18.9 liter Jerry cans inside. Then placed the liferaft inside the aft end of the cockpit lazarette.

2.) We placed 4 of the 18.9 liter Jerry cans in the bottom of the liferaft locker, then a wood "shelf," cut to size, on top of the Jerry cans. On the shelf we place the liferaft, one 25 liter emergency water, a ditch bag, and a dry bag with a hand pump water maker. Be sure to secure the bitter end of the rip cord.

I like number 2 the best because it solves all issues, especially UV and heat damage to the liferaft.

We have carried extra fuel on ocean passages, but never used any of it.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Jan 18, 2017 4:35 PM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi Steve,


We have a 6 man Plastimo Transocean mounted in a stainless holder on the outside of the port aft rail. It has a 3 year service turnaround and we've done it twice now.
I personally don't like the idea of having the liferaft in a compartment. When you need it, it needs to be able to be deployed quickly and that's only really possible if it is outside somewhere.
We use that port side deck compartment for spare fuel containers.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Craig Briggs
 

Hi Bill,
First, let me add in my , "here, here" and thanks for your forum contributions.

I recall several comments from others about having a minor port list (aft down being another issue). With suggestion #1, if my math is right, the 10 Jerry cans of diesel weigh some 350 pounds. Granted the life raft (another 100 or so) is a bit inboard but that seems a lot of weight to port - did you have any listing from it? Even #2 seems to be a lot with 150#'s diesel, 55 of water and 100 of life raft (although the original Amel design may have taken the life raft weight into account).

Cheers,
Craig, SN#68, Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote :

Here are two suggestions for all of you that I believe will be acceptable to all, possibly even Captain Amel would like #2  (I hope so). We have done both and are currently configured with #2:

1.) We removed everything from the liferaft locker and placed 10 of the 18.9 liter Jerry cans inside. Then placed the liferaft inside the aft end of the cockpit lazarette.

2.) We placed 4 of the 18.9 liter Jerry cans in the bottom of the liferaft locker, then a wood "shelf," cut to size, on top of the Jerry cans. On the shelf we place the liferaft, one 25 liter emergency water, a ditch bag, and a dry bag with a hand pump water maker. Be sure to secure the bitter end of the rip cord.

I like number 2 the best because it solves all issues, especially UV and heat damage to the liferaft.

We have carried extra fuel on ocean passages, but never used any of it.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Number two is what we do.
Danny



From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, 20 January 2017 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Liferaft question

 
Here are two suggestions for all of you that I believe will be acceptable to all, possibly even Captain Amel would like #2  (I hope so). We have done both and are currently configured with #2:
1.) We removed everything from the liferaft locker and placed 10 of the 18.9 liter Jerry cans inside. Then placed the liferaft inside the aft end of the cockpit lazarette.
2.) We placed 4 of the 18.9 liter Jerry cans in the bottom of the liferaft locker, then a wood "shelf," cut to size, on top of the Jerry cans. On the shelf we place the liferaft, one 25 liter emergency water, a ditch bag, and a dry bag with a hand pump water maker. Be sure to secure the bitter end of the rip cord..
I like number 2 the best because it solves all issues, especially UV and heat damage to the liferaft.
We have carried extra fuel on ocean passages, but never used any of it.
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jan 18, 2017 4:35 PM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi Steve,

We have a 6 man Plastimo Transocean mounted in a stainless holder on the outside of the port aft rail. It has a 3 year service turnaround and we've done it twice now.
I personally don't like the idea of having the liferaft in a compartment. When you need it, it needs to be able to be deployed quickly and that's only really possible if it is outside somewhere.
We use that port side deck compartment for spare fuel containers.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 



Alan Leslie
 

These are very interesting :

Focus on liferafts: are you ready – Yachting World

 

Where should you stow your liferaft? - Yachting Monthly

 


We stow 9 x 20 litre fuel containers plus the fuel tank for the outboard in the port lazarette...that pretty much fills it up. We always carry the extra 180 litres when passage making and when the main fuel tank runs down we transfer that extra fuel into the main tank....we've never HAD to use it on a passage but we carry it just in case. Cycling the fuel ensures freshness. 
Our 6-man Plastimo liferaft is mounted on the port aft rail, it's in a GRP container with a quick release (one pin) stainless tube mounting frame, which is padlockable for when in port...the padlock comes off when we head out. 
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437




Stephen MORRISON <steve_morrison@...>
 

Thank you to everyone for the great responses and for the links to the articles on placement and preparedness. Wonderful to hear the many different ways the group approaches the same issue. I will be spending the day with Joel on Saturday to hear his ideas and to begin Amel School. Happy to have such a vibrant community here. 

All the best,
Steve Morrison
SM380 Tourai
Ft. Lauderdale


On Jan 19, 2017, at 5:24 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

These are very interesting :


Focus on liferafts: are you ready – Yachting World

 

Where should you stow your liferaft? - Yachting Monthly

 


We stow 9 x 20 litre fuel containers plus the fuel tank for the outboard in the port lazarette...that pretty much fills it up. We always carry the extra 180 litres when passage making and when the main fuel tank runs down we transfer that extra fuel into the main tank....we've never HAD to use it on a passage but we carry it just in case. Cycling the fuel ensures freshness. 
Our 6-man Plastimo liferaft is mounted on the port aft rail, it's in a GRP container with a quick release (one pin) stainless tube mounting frame, which is padlockable for when in port...the padlock comes off when we head out. 
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437