[Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Room Extractor Fan - Loose wire
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Hi Bill,
I hope you are enjoying land life. Thank you for taking the time to write a response.
This gives me a good start point to get the meter out and figure this out. Thanks for the relay 101. This is really a weak point of mine. But, soon to get better.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currenlty cruising – Exuma Islands - Bahamas www.creampuff.us
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Mark,
And, I will take a wild guess that the white wire is the activation ("excite") wire from the ignition. If it switches ON with the ignition switch, you found your problem...next, you need to find the activation ("excite") side of the rely and plug it in.
Bill ex-BeBe
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 7:18 AM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
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Mark,
You need to start figuring it out because Amel did it differently when they built SMs with the Yanmar engine and nobody else is going to have the same.
A relay is an electrical device, typically incorporating an electromagnet, that is activated (excited) by a current or signal in one circuit to open or close (ON/OFF) another circuit.
Those relays will have one side activated ("excited") by the 12VDC ignition circuit and the other side will be "switched" ON/OFF and could be either 24VDC or 12VDC. Since originally Amel had 2 breakers, I am guessing that he installed a relay for each breaker circuit.
I think that I would start by finding the wire from the ignition which I will call the "excite" wire. This will be 12VDC and will only be hot when the key is ON. I believe that the ignition activation ("excite") wire to one relay will probably be jumped from one relay to the other relay. This wire will cause the relay to "switch" the "switched" side of the relay to ON. This "switched" side will have current going IN to the relay to the relay and current going OUT when the relay is excited (switched ON).
Good Luck!
Bill ex-BeBe
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:00 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi Joel,
No worries. If someone writes back and has a similar setup, great. If not, I’ve got time. I’ll eventually figure it out, I hope J
Really hoping someone can help.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currenlty cruising - Exuma Islands - Bahamas
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi Mark. Don’t kill the messenger..
I seem to dimly recall ( dimness happens more and more… ) that Cheriff changed some of the details regarding the fans when he replaced the engine in your boat. Sorry that this information is nearly useless as I don’t recall just what he changed but it might be helpful if you get stumped if your set up does not look like sistserships.
Good luck with the sleuthing.
All the Best, Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 954 462 5869 office 954 812 2485 cell
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi Alexandre,
Thank you for the pictures. Our set ups are a little different. Unfortunately, I do not see an empty spade to connect the white wire to other than the central post. But, on all relays, the central post is blank. Hence, I am stumped.
The DC part of the exhaust does run off the 24v system. However, I am not sure it is connected to the 12v relay or the 24v realy. I read Oliver’s post with interest when he explained this. This is an area of the boat that I haven’t had to learn yet. But now I am trying because I have to.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currenlty cruising - Exuma Islands - Bahamas
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Good afternoon Mark,
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Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Mark, And, I will take a wild guess that the white wire is the activation ("excite") wire from the ignition. If it switches ON with the ignition switch, you found your problem...next, you need to find the activation ("excite") side of the rely and plug it in. Bill ex-BeBe On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 7:18 AM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
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Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Mark, You need to start figuring it out because Amel did it differently when they built SMs with the Yanmar engine and nobody else is going to have the same. A relay is an electrical device, typically incorporating an electromagnet, that is activated (excited) by a current or signal in one circuit to open or close (ON/OFF) another circuit. Those relays will have one side activated ("excited") by the 12VDC ignition circuit and the other side will be "switched" ON/OFF and could be either 24VDC or 12VDC. Since originally Amel had 2 breakers, I am guessing that he installed a relay for each breaker circuit. I think that I would start by finding the wire from the ignition which I will call the "excite" wire. This will be 12VDC and will only be hot when the key is ON. I believe that the ignition activation ("excite") wire to one relay will probably be jumped from one relay to the other relay. This wire will cause the relay to "switch" the "switched" side of the relay to ON. This "switched" side will have current going IN to the relay to the relay and current going OUT when the relay is excited (switched ON). Good Luck! Bill ex-BeBe On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:00 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Hi Joel,
No worries. If someone writes back and has a similar setup, great. If not, I’ve got time. I’ll eventually figure it out, I hope J
Really hoping someone can help.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currenlty cruising - Exuma Islands - Bahamas www.creampuff.us
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi Mark. Don’t kill the messenger..
I seem to dimly recall ( dimness happens more and more… ) that Cheriff changed some of the details regarding the fans when he replaced the engine in your boat. Sorry that this information is nearly useless as I don’t recall just what he changed but it might be helpful if you get stumped if your set up does not look like sistserships.
Good luck with the sleuthing.
All the Best, Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 954 462 5869 office 954 812 2485 cell
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi Alexandre,
Thank you for the pictures. Our set ups are a little different. Unfortunately, I do not see an empty spade to connect the white wire to other than the central post. But, on all relays, the central post is blank. Hence, I am stumped.
The DC part of the exhaust does run off the 24v system. However, I am not sure it is connected to the 12v relay or the 24v realy. I read Oliver’s post with interest when he explained this. This is an area of the boat that I haven’t had to learn yet. But now I am trying because I have to.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currenlty cruising - Exuma Islands - Bahamas
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 2:30 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Room Extractor Fan - Loose wire
Good afternoon Mark,
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amelforme
Hi Mark. Don’t kill the messenger..
I seem to dimly recall ( dimness happens more and more… ) that Cheriff changed some of the details regarding the fans when he replaced the engine in your boat. Sorry that this information is nearly useless as I don’t recall just what he changed but it might be helpful if you get stumped if your set up does not look like sistserships.
Good luck with the sleuthing.
All the Best, Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 954 462 5869 office 954 812 2485 cell
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 4:32 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Room Extractor Fan - Loose wire
Hi Alexandre,
Thank you for the pictures. Our set ups are a little different. Unfortunately, I do not see an empty spade to connect the white wire to other than the central post. But, on all relays, the central post is blank. Hence, I am stumped.
The DC part of the exhaust does run off the 24v system. However, I am not sure it is connected to the 12v relay or the 24v realy. I read Oliver’s post with interest when he explained this. This is an area of the boat that I haven’t had to learn yet. But now I am trying because I have to.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currenlty cruising - Exuma Islands - Bahamas
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Good afternoon Mark, |
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Hi Alexandre,
Thank you for the pictures. Our set ups are a little different. Unfortunately, I do not see an empty spade to connect the white wire to other than the central post. But, on all relays, the central post is blank. Hence, I am stumped.
The DC part of the exhaust does run off the 24v system. However, I am not sure it is connected to the 12v relay or the 24v realy. I read Oliver’s post with interest when he explained this. This is an area of the boat that I haven’t had to learn yet. But now I am trying because I have to.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currenlty cruising - Exuma Islands - Bahamas www.creampuff.us
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 2:30 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Room Extractor Fan - Loose wire
Good afternoon Mark,
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Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...>
Good afternoon Mark,
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I just went down the engine room. Even thought our Hull number are petty closed, somehow, mine shows “2” fans… Not sure it will help you, but I just added a pictures on http://nikimat.com/engine_room_fans.html If you have slow internet, the pictures I just added is the following: http://nikimat.com/engine_room_fans/engine_room_fan_2b.jpg Out of curiosity, are your 24 volt fans connected to 24 volt??? My 24 Volt are connected to 12 volt. Olivier explain that some time ago. Also, you have 3 Durupteor, is one for the 220 Volt? Or do you happen to have a 3rd 24 volt fan (intake our outage). Just curious… I enjoyed the Exumas! Spent 6 weeks there, I could anchor and not see another boat… (quite the opposite here). Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 2/8/17, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine Room Extractor Fan - Loose wire To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2017, 12:47 PM Hi All, I need a little help please from someone that has a similar year model or set up as Cream Puff 1999/2000 Super Maramu 2000. The engine room 24v extractor fan stopped working (the 220v fan on the same pipe exhaust works fine). This is the fan that turns on with the engine ignition switch. It blows out under the smaller port-side cockpit winch. The blower onto the engine works fine. I looked at the breaker rely area and notice a white wire has disconnected (please see picture – click the link below). If you have a similar set up, could you please tell me what relay and terminal this wire connects. Many thanks! https://www.dropbox.com/sh/04oud4t5546riku/AAAWMVvIUCLqiETHMMqXvU-ja?dl=0 With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currenlty cruising – Exuma Islands - Bahamas www.creampuff.us #yiv7773879246 #yiv7773879246 -- #yiv7773879246ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv7773879246 #yiv7773879246ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv7773879246 #yiv7773879246ygrp-mkp #yiv7773879246hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv7773879246 #yiv7773879246ygrp-mkp #yiv7773879246ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv7773879246 #yiv7773879246ygrp-mkp .yiv7773879246ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv7773879246 #yiv7773879246ygrp-mkp .yiv7773879246ad p { margin:0;} #yiv7773879246 #yiv7773879246ygrp-mkp .yiv7773879246ad a { color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} #yiv7773879246 #yiv7773879246ygrp-sponsor #yiv7773879246ygrp-lc { font-family:Arial;} #yiv7773879246 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