[Amel Yacht Owners] Plugged cable ducts in main mast - Maramu
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James Alton
Is it possible to apply either air or water pressure to the PVC in the opposite direction that caused the jam? Perhaps with the pressure applied to you can tug on the leader lines and cables one at a time to see if you can find a combination that works.
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One simple thing that has often helped me with this type of rewiring is to coat the pull lines, wires and tube with talcum powder. It can greatly reduce the friction and thereby the risk of a jam or damage to a wire. I don’t think that the talc causes any problems other than being a little messy. Best of luck, James Alton SV Sueno, Maramu #220
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christian alby <calbyy@...>
point taken talcum powder added to ship supplies will powder the 'babies bums' to ease passage otherwise tried pressure with no avail; just adds up to pressure both ways & pressurises nylon & foam to build up strength (volume compressed = added density) thanks for tip anyway christian alby - Maramu 168 Désirade VIII now in Western Med Port Leucate Christian Alby - France home fixe +33 (0)5 34 39 06 02 home Internet +33 (0)9 60 37 22 72 mobile +33 (0)6 42 69 07 80 De : "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" À : amelyachtowners@... Envoyé le : Jeudi 27 avril 2017 19h39 Objet : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Plugged cable ducts in main mast - Maramu Is it possible to apply either air or water pressure to the PVC in the opposite direction that caused the jam? Perhaps with the pressure applied to you can tug on the leader lines and cables one at a time to see if you can find a combination that works. One simple thing that has often helped me with this type of rewiring is to coat the pull lines, wires and tube with talcum powder. It can greatly reduce the friction and thereby the risk of a jam or damage to a wire. I don’t think that the talc causes any problems other than being a little messy. Best of luck, James Alton SV Sueno, Maramu #220
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Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi all,
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when we bought Ocean Pearl there was a litre bottle of a product called "cable lube" on board. It is a very slimy slippery product and applying it to cables that need to be drawn though tight spaces or long distances makes a big difference. It is remarkable how easy it makes pulling a cable and doesn't leave a messy residue. As to removing a tangle, I would try to stop pulling before my tangle became a knot, once it becomes a knot its not easy. (pun intended). Reverse the pull and try for a jiggle and shake and back and forth pull before there is a total lock up. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 28 April 2017 at 05:39 "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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christian alby <calbyy@...>
too late as I went already for the pulling & shoving & applying too much pressure on this tight knot of cables, foam plugs & leader lines. They were already in a bundle about halway down the mast when I tried my luck; all coaxial cables went thru easy, the electrical power cord (od 10 mm for 3 x 1.5mm wire) used to feed the mooring light was just a mite too fat to go thru. will get some of the gooied stuff for my new wires though, seems to be worth the purchase. I wil test my 6 M drill tomorrow & will leave it here in Port Leucate for all rady sailors who do not believe in patient & mild handling of knots which resist untangling, fair winds christian alby - Maramu 168 Désirade VIII - still in Port Leucate Western Med Christian Alby - France home fixe +33 (0)5 34 39 06 02 home Internet +33 (0)9 60 37 22 72 mobile +33 (0)6 42 69 07 80 tangle; De : "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" À : amelyachtowners@... Envoyé le : Jeudi 27 avril 2017 21h11 Objet : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Plugged cable ducts in main mast - Maramu
Hi all, when we bought Ocean Pearl there was a litre bottle of a product called "cable lube" on board. It is a very slimy slippery product and applying it to cables that need to be drawn though tight spaces or long distances makes a big difference. It is remarkable how easy it makes pulling a cable and doesn't leave a messy residue. As to removing a tangle, I would try to stop pulling before my tangle became a knot, once it becomes a knot its not easy. (pun intended). Reverse the pull and try for a jiggle and shake and back and forth pull before there is a total lock up. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 28 April 2017 at 05:39 "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:
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Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Christian, I am not sure I know what you refer to when you say, "foam plugs." But, let me tell you what I do know about and maybe this will help you: The extra "leader lines will have a small piece of foam tied to them every 2 meters or so. This is to keep them from wrapping around other leaders and cables. These pieces of foam sometime make pulling the leader a little difficult, but not impossible. Also, remember your Amel is new to you, but may not be in original condition. I have seen new owners of pre-owned Amels complain about something Amel did, when, in fact, it was someone else. I hope this helps. Good luck and one day soon you may be enjoying your Amel. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School X-BeBe #387 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:54 AM, calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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VLADIMIR SONSEV
When I could not get a "cable lube" I used K-Y Jelly. You can get it or similar product in any drugstore. Vladimir Sonsev
On Apr 27, 2017 3:11 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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christian alby <calbyy@...>
good afternoon Bill I called foam plugs the foam rings used by Amel to keep leader lines from wrapping around each other: immediate result instead of intent. what caused the 'plug' was the fact that previous owners wishing to save on cost, linked two short lengths of two different electrical power cables using scewed electrical connectors about halfway thru the cable duct; leaving leaders & foam rings inisde tube. I posted pictures of the result when 'drilled out' using my 6 Meters lgth manual drill & pressurised water to help the plug glide down. 2 Weeks preparation of Tools, 1-1/2 hr set up site followed by 45 mn screwing on & pulling did the trick. Way is clear now to reinstate to original condition following Henri's ways. I would never dream of moaning about such a wonderful boat, where all is linked to act & serve most efficently as a whole. note : original (1982) leader lines did not break when pulled and held on tight until drilled out, when new nylon lines broke Under strain at 1-1/2 the SWL ! fair weather to you Christian Alby - France home fixe +33 (0)5 34 39 06 02 home Internet +33 (0)9 60 37 22 72 mobile +33 (0)6 42 69 07 80 De : "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> À : "amelyachtowners@..." Envoyé le : Jeudi 27 avril 2017 23h12 Objet : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Plugged cable ducts in main mast - Maramu Christian, I am not sure I know what you refer to when you say, "foam plugs." But, let me tell you what I do know about and maybe this will help you: The extra "leader lines will have a small piece of foam tied to them every 2 meters or so. This is to keep them from wrapping around other leaders and cables. These pieces of foam sometime make pulling the leader a little difficult, but not impossible. Also, remember your Amel is new to you, but may not be in original condition. I have seen new owners of pre-owned Amels complain about something Amel did, when, in fact, it was someone else. I hope this helps. Good luck and one day soon you may be enjoying your Amel. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School X-BeBe #387 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:54 AM, calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Christian, I am happy for you that you have solved the issue. I have known Amels with mast wiring lasting 35 years. I have a friend with an Oyster that replaced all of his mast wiring at 5 years. I am always amazed at what some yacht owners will do to save a few pennies. My experience is that most Amel Owners maintain their Amel in factory condition and respect the fact that, more than any other builder, Amel has a history of designing reliability and quality into an Amel and all of its systems. Simply stated, you have to own an Amel for years to completely understand this. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 X-BeBe SM387
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 8:01 AM, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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