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[Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease/Amel 55/54 designers


amelforme
 

Hello Hanspeter. I think you are confusing the Amel 55 with the Amel 54. The Amel 55 hull and deck and rigging was designed by Berret and Racoupeau, a naval architecture  firm located in La Rochelle France. All of the systems engineering and ‘Amel ‘details on the Amel 55 were still the province of the Amel design team within the Amel shipyard in La Rochelle.   The Amel 54 was designed by the Amel Design Group.. Yes Captain Amel was gone when this boat was first launched but the drawings and engineering of the Amel 54 were done largely by Jacque Carteau who was, in fact, the one who did the drawings and engineering on almost all of the Amel boats from the late 1960’s onward. He was Captain Amel’s ‘eyes’ and interpreted Captain Amel’s ideas into the boats we all love. How do I know this? I watched him do the 54 and no external resources were involved in the 54. I have seen the blueprints for other Amel designs with Carteau’s initials and name in the data box on the drawings.

 

Just to keep things clear and correct.

 

All The Best, JoelJoel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 10:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease

 

 

Hi Porter

I think you have the Balmar Furling System ? Correct? If so, with you plans , change this system to a Reckman System; ok very costy ,but for the next 20 Years no problems.

Nice and interesting Website, congratulation. One thing only; Henri Amel did not design the Amel 54. The Company Amel with extern architects did it.

Best regards

Hanspeter



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Am 29.04.2017 um 12:36 schrieb Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Gents,
A question if you would.

Sailing Martinique to Fort Lauderdale these two weeks. Stopped in Guadeloupe as the trinquet motor pooped out. Took it out and amel Martinique is sending a new one plus belt.

Question one: what kind of grease was that packed in there? I took it out and need to repack.

Q2: the motor had corroded and I found 10 or so cc of h20 on the motor and surrounds. I could not find a seal to replace or one that had failed. How can I mitigate this water situation in the future? Is that the purpose of the grease? In addition to greasing the gears?

Q3: anyone have any tips on re-assembly?

Very appreciated.

Porter

S/V IBIS. 54-152. Punta Cana.

Please excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone
Www.fouribis.com


amelforme
 

I need to apologize to everyone. It appears that my computer is acting up and greatly enlarging some of the text in my messages to you. This IS NOT intentional and is not meant to reinforce or add drama to anything I present here. I am travelling all next week but will get my IT guy to fix it soon after I get back to Florida.. I am not Shouting at anyone!

 

All The best, Joel

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 12:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease/Amel 55/54 designers

 

 

Hello Hanspeter. I think you are confusing the Amel 55 with the Amel 54. The Amel 55 hull and deck and rigging was designed by Berret and Racoupeau, a naval architecture  firm located in La Rochelle France. All of the systems engineering and ‘Amel ‘details on the Amel 55 were still the province of the Amel design team within the Amel shipyard in La Rochelle.   The Amel 54 was designed by the Amel Design Group.. Yes Captain Amel was gone when this boat was first launched but the drawings and engineering of the Amel 54 were done largely by Jacque Carteau who was, in fact, the one who did the drawings and engineering on almost all of the Amel boats from the late 1960’s onward. He was Captain Amel’s ‘eyes’ and interpreted Captain Amel’s ideas into the boats we all love. How do I know this? I watched him do the 54 and no external resources were involved in the 54. I have seen the blueprints for other Amel designs with Carteau’s initials and name in the data box on the drawings.

 

Just to keep things clear and correct.

 

All The Best, JoelJoel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 10:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease

 

 

Hi Porter

I think you have the Balmar Furling System ? Correct? If so, with you plans , change this system to a Reckman System; ok very costy ,but for the next 20 Years no problems.

Nice and interesting Website, congratulation. One thing only; Henri Amel did not design the Amel 54. The Company Amel with extern architects did it.

Best regards

Hanspeter



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Am 29.04.2017 um 12:36 schrieb Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@yahoocom [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Gents,
A question if you would.

Sailing Martinique to Fort Lauderdale these two weeks. Stopped in Guadeloupe as the trinquet motor pooped out. Took it out and amel Martinique is sending a new one plus belt.

Question one: what kind of grease was that packed in there? I took it out and need to repack.

Q2: the motor had corroded and I found 10 or so cc of h20 on the motor and surrounds. I could not find a seal to replace or one that had failed. How can I mitigate this water situation in the future? Is that the purpose of the grease? In addition to greasing the gears?

Q3: anyone have any tips on re-assembly?

Very appreciated.

Porter

S/V IBIS. 54-152. Punta Cana.

Please excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone
Www.fouribis.com


Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Joel,
Thanks for the info on the designs. I'm sure you never shout at any one.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 30 April 2017 at 05:06 "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I need to apologize to everyone. It appears that my computer is acting up and greatly enlarging some of the text in my messages to you. This IS NOT intentional and is not meant to reinforce or add drama to anything I present here. I am travelling all next week but will get my IT guy to fix it soon after I get back to Florida.. I am not Shouting at anyone!

 

All The best, Joel

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 12:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease/Amel 55/54 designers

 

 

Hello Hanspeter. I think you are confusing the Amel 55 with the Amel 54. The Amel 55 hull and deck and rigging was designed by Berret and Racoupeau, a naval architecture  firm located in La Rochelle France. All of the systems engineering and ‘Amel ‘details on the Amel 55 were still the province of the Amel design team within the Amel shipyard in La Rochelle.   The Amel 54 was designed by the Amel Design Group.. Yes Captain Amel was gone when this boat was first launched but the drawings and engineering of the Amel 54 were done largely by Jacque Carteau who was, in fact, the one who did the drawings and engineering on almost all of the Amel boats from the late 1960’s onward. He was Captain Amel’s ‘eyes’ and interpreted Captain Amel’s ideas into the boats we all love. How do I know this? I watched him do the 54 and no external resources were involved in the 54. I have seen the blueprints for other Amel designs with Carteau’s initials and name in the data box on the drawings.

 

Just to keep things clear and correct.

 

All The Best, JoelJoel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 10:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease

 

 

Hi Porter

I think you have the Balmar Furling System ? Correct? If so, with you plans , change this system to a Reckman System; ok very costy ,but for the next 20 Years no problems.

Nice and interesting Website, congratulation. One thing only; Henri Amel did not design the Amel 54. The Company Amel with extern architects did it.

Best regards

Hanspeter



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Am 29.04.2017 um 12:36 schrieb Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@yahoocom [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Gents,
A question if you would.

Sailing Martinique to Fort Lauderdale these two weeks. Stopped in Guadeloupe as the trinquet motor pooped out. Took it out and amel Martinique is sending a new one plus belt.

Question one: what kind of grease was that packed in there? I took it out and need to repack.

Q2: the motor had corroded and I found 10 or so cc of h20 on the motor and surrounds. I could not find a seal to replace or one that had failed. How can I mitigate this water situation in the future? Is that the purpose of the grease? In addition to greasing the gears?

Q3: anyone have any tips on re-assembly?

Very appreciated.

Porter

S/V IBIS. 54-152. Punta Cana.

Please excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone
Www.fouribis.com


 

 


hanspeter baettig
 

Joel
Thanks for your reply.
And yes I now  Beretts  design office and yes I met Mr. Carteau back in 1998.
The 54 Amel was designed by the Amel Team. Not by Henry Amel. Only my 2 cents word. I think my arguments are faire.
Best regards Hanspeter

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Am 29.04.2017 um 20:55 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Joel,
Thanks for the info on the designs. I'm sure you never shout at any one.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 30 April 2017 at 05:06 "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I need to apologize to everyone. It appears that my computer is acting up and greatly enlarging some of the text in my messages to you. This IS NOT intentional and is not meant to reinforce or add drama to anything I present here. I am travelling all next week but will get my IT guy to fix it soon after I get back to Florida.. I am not Shouting at anyone!

 

All The best, Joel

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 12:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease/Amel 55/54 designers

 

 

Hello Hanspeter. I think you are confusing the Amel 55 with the Amel 54. The Amel 55 hull and deck and rigging was designed by Berret and Racoupeau, a naval architecture  firm located in La Rochelle France. All of the systems engineering and ‘Amel ‘details on the Amel 55 were still the province of the Amel design team within the Amel shipyard in La Rochelle.   The Amel 54 was desig ned by the Amel Design Group.. Yes Captain Amel was gone when this boat was first launched but the drawings and engineering of the Amel 54 were done largely by Jacque Carteau who was, in fact, the one who did the drawings and engineering on almost all of the Amel boats from the late 1960’s onward. He was Captain Amel’s ‘eyes’ and interpreted Captain Amel’s ideas into the boats we all love. How do I know this? I watched him do the 54 and no external resources were involved in the 54. I have seen the blueprints for other Amel designs with Carteau’s initials and name in the data box on the drawings.

 

Just to keep things clear and correct.

 

All The Best, JoelJoel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 10:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease

 

 

Hi Porter

I think you have the Balmar Furling System ? Correct? If so, with you plans , change this system to a Reckman System; ok very costy ,but for the next 20 Years no problems.

Nice and interesting Website, congratulation. One thing only; Henri Amel did not design the Amel 54. The Company Amel with extern architects did it.

Best regards

Hanspeter



Von meinem iPad gesendet


Am 29.04.2017 um 12:36 schrieb Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@yahoocom [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Gents,
A question if you would.

Sailing Martinique to Fort Lauderdale these two weeks. Stopped in Guadeloupe as the trinquet motor pooped out. Took it out and amel Martinique is sending a new one plus belt.

Question one: what kind of grease was that packed in there? I took it out and need to repack.

Q2: the motor had corroded and I found 10 or so cc of h20 on the motor and surrounds. I could not find a seal to replace or one that had failed. How can I mitigate this water situation in the future? Is that the purpose of the grease? In addition to greasing the gears?

Q3: anyone have any tips on re-assembly?

Very appreciated.

Porter

S/V IBIS. 54-152. Punta Cana.

Please excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone
Www.fouribis.com


 

 


Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all.
While we are talking about design. All the Amels I have seen, even the smaller earlier models, right through to and including the 54, have a distinct and  unmistakeable family likeness. (Love it) When you see one from afar, they are unmistakeably and instantly recognisable. (In my opinion). However (again in my opinion) the 55 looks more like a Hunter. I have no doubt the Amel quality and innovation remains, they just no longer have that family likeness.
Cheers
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 30 Apr 2017 05:06, "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I need to apologize to everyone. It appears that my computer is acting up and greatly enlarging some of the text in my messages to you. This IS NOT intentional and is not meant to reinforce or add drama to anything I present here. I am travelling all next week but will get my IT guy to fix it soon after I get back to Florida.. I am not Shouting at anyone!

 

All The best, Joel

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 12:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease/Amel 55/54 designers

 

 

Hello Hanspeter. I think you are confusing the Amel 55 with the Amel 54. The Amel 55 hull and deck and rigging was designed by Berret and Racoupeau, a naval architecture  firm located in La Rochelle France. All of the systems engineering and ‘Amel ‘details on the Amel 55 were still the province of the Amel design team within the Amel shipyard in La Rochelle.   The Amel 54 was designed by the Amel Design Group.. Yes Captain Amel was gone when this boat was first launched but the drawings and engineering of the Amel 54 were done largely by Jacque Carteau who was, in fact, the one who did the drawings and engineering on almost all of the Amel boats from the late 1960’s onward. He was Captain Amel’s ‘eyes’ and interpreted Captain Amel’s ideas into the boats we all love. How do I know this? I watched him do the 54 and no external resources were involved in the 54. I have seen the blueprints for other Amel designs with Carteau’s initials and name in the data box on the drawings.

 

Just to keep things clear and correct.

 

All The Best, JoelJoel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 10:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease

 

 

Hi Porter

I think you have the Balmar Furling System ? Correct? If so, with you plans , change this system to a Reckman System; ok very costy ,but for the next 20 Years no problems.

Nice and interesting Website, congratulation. One thing only; Henri Amel did not design the Amel 54. The Company Amel with extern architects did it.

Best regards

Hanspeter



Von meinem iPad gesendet


Am 29.04.2017 um 12:36 schrieb Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@yahoocom [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Gents,
A question if you would.

Sailing Martinique to Fort Lauderdale these two weeks. Stopped in Guadeloupe as the trinquet motor pooped out. Took it out and amel Martinique is sending a new one plus belt.

Question one: what kind of grease was that packed in there? I took it out and need to repack.

Q2: the motor had corroded and I found 10 or so cc of h20 on the motor and surrounds. I could not find a seal to replace or one that had failed. How can I mitigate this water situation in the future? Is that the purpose of the grease? In addition to greasing the gears?

Q3: anyone have any tips on re-assembly?

Very appreciated.

Porter

S/V IBIS. 54-152. Punta Cana.

Please excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone
Www.fouribis.com


amelforme
 

Hello again Hanspeter . I believe it is very important that all the information we share on this useful group should be as correct as it can be. Below is part of the statement you made that I found to be less than correct. I agree with the first sentence. The second sentence says that the 54 was designed by Amel with an extern ( external ) architect.

This is not correct. There was no external architect. The Amel 54 was designed entirely and completely by people working directly for Amel.

I hope you don’t think I am ‘splitting hairs’. I think this is an important distinction that needs to be clear. To be even a little bit more clear, I make no judgement about which designs are better, only where they originated.

I hope that this is accepted in the spirit with which it is offered.

Enjoy your Amel, Hanspeter! Except for the fact that I sold each of my three Amel boats to people who enjoyed them and used them as they were intended to be enjoyed, I regret selling each of them every time I think about them.

                           All The Best, Joel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 10:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroupscom
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease

 

. One thing only; Henri Amel did not design the Amel 54. The Company Amel with extern architects did it.

Best regards

Hanspeter



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svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

On magazine articles of the era, the 54 is attributed to "Amel Design Team."  It is great to have Joel's confirmation of the people who conformed the team!

With regard to the 55, etc., here in Europe one often comes across anchorages or marinas that include Super Maramus, 54s, 55s, and, from time to time, 64s.  These boats, being mostly in the same LOA range, usually moor in proximity.  The family genetics are absolutely there and are unmistakable.  The basic template is clearly the same.

Beyond mere looks, which on Amel are all evolutions around the same successful ideas, it bears highlighting Steve Job's quote: «It's not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works.»  

An Amel 55 works like all other Amel cruising boats going back to the Amel Euros 39 of 1967, only updated.

Cheerio,


Peregrinus
SM2K Nr. 350 - 2002
At anchor, Nicopolis (Ambracian Gulf)