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[Amel Yacht Owners] The 54 washer problem.


amelforme
 

A couple of challenges…

 

I believe you are referring to a 230V-110V step down transformer. This device will do nothing to convert 50 htz  230V produced by the generator and the majority of shore power available world wide to the 110V 60 htz the replacement washer would need. Converting cycles, either way, is not an easy or inexpensive proposition.

 

You could use a 24V to 110V/60h htz inverter but then you would be employing the battery bank to run the clothes washer, and you would have  110V devices that cannot be serviced in 90 % of the world as 230V/50 htz is the most prevalent power supply world wide.

 

In both cases, you would be adding additional equipment/systems that will be hard to service in the future when you leave the North American continent. More complication. More challenges. Not a worthy solution.

 

Having chased down these types of challenges for more than 35 years, I can tell you that you will face unforeseen obstacles. Even if a manufacturer would be willing to sell you a device not supported by a distribution and repair network in this country, rules and regulations usually prohibit them from doing so. Big companies and even the smaller ones don’t often ‘certify’ product that doesn’t adapt well to the power supply prevalent in a country they don’t normally supply.

 

Your best bet is to go to a French/Dutch island in the Caribbean and get someone who speaks the language to accompany you to a big appliance store in Martinique, Guadeloupe, or Sint Martin and have them order you something compatible if they don’t have it in stock. Much easier to ship an EU compliant unit into an EU territory than to send it here to north American.

 

Or, perhaps some sympathetic Amel owner in Europe will find you a unit that will work, arrange for you to send them the money to pay for it, and have it delivered to a FREIGHT FORWARDER who will know how to get it shipped to you here. If you do that, I suggest J.P. Reynolds here in Fort Lauderdale as your receiving freight forwarder here. They have been flawless serving my and my clients Amel interests for over three decades. Don’t pay me nuthin’, not even a bottle of Scotch at Christmas. Ask for Jay, tell him you are an Amel customer, jay@...  . 954-522-3765.  . Jay has also done the importation/duty payment on every Amel I have sold with very few exceptions. Good guy. Knows the business inside and out. Easy to work with.

 

Try not to change stuff/add sysytems as your Amel is brand new to you. Give it some time to get under your skin before you change anything.

 

Good Luck, Joel

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 9:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] The 54 washer problem.

 

 

It seems a yet unsolved problem:  

Replacement washer for 54 Amel.

 

Working with many capable folks on the forum: Joel P, Bill R.  I have been unable to find a suitable replacement this side of the pond, and even more frustratingly the other side as well.  

I had a thought tonight: buy a US model washer and then implant an inverter 230-110 and put that in.  Anyone had success with this approach?  What might be the pitfalls other than the one i am already falling into: size matters.  

 

 

We compute: New washing machine for an Amel 54 is 

Dimensions: (HxLxP en cm) : 85.2 / 60 / 44 or H33.54" / L23.62 "/ D17.33"

 

Hopefully some of the great minds on this forum will have some i sight.  It would certainly be appreciated!!

 

Many thanks in advance:

 

Porter

 

Porter McRoberts
Ibis: 54-152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...

 

 

 

 


Porter McRoberts
 

All excellent points Joel.  
Really trying not to stray..  But clean clothes!…  
I will most certainly call Jay, and I have a bottle of scotch for you.  Do you like peat?

Thanks Joel

Porter

On Jun 8, 2017, at 8:38 AM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


A couple of challenges…

 

I believe you are referring to a 230V-110V step down transformer. This device will do nothing to convert 50 htz  230V produced by the generator and the majority of shore power available world wide to the 110V 60 htz the replacement washer would need. Converting cycles, either way, is not an easy or inexpensive proposition.

 

You could use a 24V to 110V/60h htz inverter but then you would be employing the battery bank to run the clothes washer, and you would have  110V devices that cannot be serviced in 90 % of the world as 230V/50 htz is the most prevalent power supply world wide.

 

In both cases, you would be adding additional equipment/systems that will be hard to service in the future when you leave the North American continent. More complication. More challenges. Not a worthy solution.

 

Having chased down these types of challenges for more than 35 years, I can tell you that you will face unforeseen obstacles. Even if a manufacturer would be willing to sell you a device not supported by a distribution and repair network in this country, rules and regulations usually prohibit them from doing so. Big companies and even the smaller ones don’t often ‘certify’ product that doesn’t adapt well to the power supply prevalent in a country they don’t normally supply.

 

Your best bet is to go to a French/Dutch island in the Caribbean and get someone who speaks the language to accompany you to a big appliance store in Martinique, Guadeloupe, or Sint Martin and have them order you something compatible if they don’t have it in stock. Much easier to ship an EU compliant unit into an EU territory than to send it here to north American.

 

Or, perhaps some sympathetic Amel owner in Europe will find you a unit that will work, arrange for you to send them the money to pay for it, and have it delivered to a FREIGHT FORWARDER who will know how to get it shipped to you here. If you do that, I suggest J.P. Reynolds here in Fort Lauderdale as your receiving freight forwarder here. They have been flawless serving my and my clients Amel interests for over three decades. Don’t pay me nuthin’, not even a bottle of Scotch at Christmas. Ask for Jay, tell him you are an Amel customer, jay@...  . 954-522-3765.  . Jay has also done the importation/duty payment on every Amel I have sold with very few exceptions. Good guy. Knows the business inside and out. Easy to work with.

 

Try not to change stuff/add sysytems as your Amel is brand new to you. Give it some time to get under your skin before you change anything.

 

Good Luck, Joel

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 9:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] The 54 washer problem.

 

  

It seems a yet unsolved problem:  

Replacement washer for 54 Amel.

 

Working with many capable folks on the forum: Joel P, Bill R.  I have been unable to find a suitable replacement this side of the pond, and even more frustratingly the other side as well.  

I had a thought tonight: buy a US model washer and then implant an inverter 230-110 and put that in.  Anyone had success with this approach?  What might be the pitfalls other than the one i am already falling into: size matters.  

 

 

We compute: New washing machine for an Amel 54 is 

Dimensions: (HxLxP en cm) : 85.2 / 60 / 44 or H33.54" / L23.62 "/ D17.33"

 

Hopefully some of the great minds on this forum will have some i sight.  It would certainly be appreciated!!

 

Many thanks in advance:

 

Porter

 

Porter McRoberts
Ibis: 54-152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...

 

 

 

 



Porter McRoberts
Ibis: 54-152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...







John Clark
 

Hi Porter,
     I agree with Joel on the converting 50 to 60hz.   I remember the other day, you saying that you were looking at getting a "transformer" to convert power but didn't think about it until we had left for Charleston.  Either the beer or the discussions about Shakespeare distracted me.  :) 

I found Martinique to have a lot more shopping resources than the other islands especially for 230/50hz equipment.  My washer was working when we left or I would have bought one there.  I did however shop for an icemaker and noted many appliance stores with compact washers.  I'm sure there would be one that fits the 54.  The large mall near the airport called the Galleria has an appliance store that appeared to have a good inventory.  

St. Maarten, at least the stores I went to had 60hz appliances so that might not be a good place to shop.  It is my understanding that the island is all 60hz.  


  If you do head back toward Martinique and intend to spend any significant money on equipment or service on the boat, look up Douglas Rapier (Douglas Yacht Services.)   He is a French customs broker and for a fee can set you up with a VAT exemption number that relieves you of having to pay VAT tax on any purchase related to the boat. He also speaks fluent English.    I used the VAT exemption without issues for the rerigging work at Caraibe and at Amel for parts and servicing.  
​Douglas assured me it would work throughout the island.


Regards,   John

SV Annie (fmr Vent de Soleil)   SM 37  
Charleston, SC


Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Porter,

Almost all small US washers that might fit will be rated at about 15 amps or 1725 watts @115VAC 60htz. The reason that the current consumed (amps) is lower with US washers is that EU washers electrically heat the water, while almost all of the US washers rely on a hot water input. 

However, I found the Bosch line of Compact Washers that are exceptions. They are rated at 115VAC 2300 Watts and it internally heats water, an exception to the US rule. To be safe a 24VDC to 115VAC 3,000 watt inverter required.


24" Compact Washer, 800 Series - White/Chrome WAT28402UC 2300 Watts
Overall appliance dimensions (HxWxD) (in) 33 1/4'' x 23 1/2'' x 24 1/4''

24" Compact Washer, 500 Series - White/Silver, WAT28401UC 2300 Watts
Overall appliance dimensions (HxWxD) (in) 33 1/4'' x 23 1/2'' x 24 1/4''

24" Compact Washer, 300 Series - White, WAT28400UC 2300 Watts
Overall appliance dimensions (HxWxD) (in) 33 1/4'' x 23 1/2'' x 24 1/4''

The above Height and Width are perfect for the 54. The question is, can you modify the rear mounting to get another 6.9 inches of Depth? I know that there is some room back there, but I am not sure how the cross brace that the washer is secured to can be moved.

I will keep looking for an alternative.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





Porter McRoberts
 

Thanks Bill.  I was looking at those last night.
I think the position on the pot might be compromised some!!  but what price clean clothes.   JP is on the case too in Martinique.  He’s been very helpful in the past.  Re the inverter- I guess I’d have to run wire up to the bow from the battery bank, correct?  

seems like a pretty big deal.  


Thanks for all your help.

Porter

On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:49 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Porter,

Almost all small US washers that might fit will be rated at about 15 amps or 1725 watts @115VAC 60htz. The reason that the current consumed (amps) is lower with US washers is that EU washers electrically heat the water, while almost all of the US washers rely on a hot water input. 

However, I found the Bosch line of Compact Washers that are exceptions. They are rated at 115VAC 2300 Watts and it internally heats water, an exception to the US rule. To be safe a 24VDC to 115VAC 3,000 watt inverter required.


24" Compact Washer, 800 Series - White/Chrome WAT28402UC 2300 Watts
Overall appliance dimensions (HxWxD) (in) 33 1/4'' x 23 1/2'' x 24 1/4''

24" Compact Washer, 500 Series - White/Silver, WAT28401UC 2300 Watts
Overall appliance dimensions (HxWxD) (in) 33 1/4'' x 23 1/2'' x 24 1/4''

24" Compact Washer, 300 Series - White, WAT28400UC 2300 Watts
Overall appliance dimensions (HxWxD) (in) 33 1/4'' x 23 1/2'' x 24 1/4''

The above Height and Width are perfect for the 54. The question is, can you modify the rear mounting to get another 6.9 inches of Depth? I know that there is some room back there, but I am not sure how the cross brace that the washer is secured to can be moved.

I will keep looking for an alternative.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970






Porter McRoberts
Ibis: 54-152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...