[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina


Eric Freedman
 

Hi,

I am not on my boat at the moment. However I will get the model number. Dometic states that it will work on 50/60 HZ . The Climma units are labeled 50 HZ  but work fine on 60 HZ

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 8:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

 

 

From Alexandres photo, the unit is marked 220V 50hz, yet we can plug these into US power at 60 hz.  I just find it odd that they don't mark it with both frequencies...or did Amel modify it somehow?

 

The Dometic system that Eric mentions must have the same 50/60hz ability, but on the web site they list different units for 50hz vs 60hz, there isn't one that will handle either frequency.

 

I understand some appliances are not frequency sensitive, but I thought a compressor would be?

 

Just curious...

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477.


Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

La Bella Vita was in Nanny Cay Tortola running on 60 hertz for 13 years without blown capacitors on front cabin or main cabin ACs.  And units were used a lot in that very hot marina.  Compressor failed on rear cabin unit five years ago and was replaced with Marine Air 220v/60hz unit. The latter runs fine on 50hz generator. 

Ben 
Ben and Gayle 
S/V La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Good morning Duane,

Coastal Climate Control says that it is ok to run their 50 Hz air conditioning on 60 Hz, just will burn more often the capacitors.

I don’t know about the Dometic one, since Eric has one, he can answer when he uses shore power (often 60 Hz) or his generator (50 Hz).

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI

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On Thu, 6/29/17, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 29, 2017, 7:57 AM


 









From Alexandres photo, the unit is marked 220V
50hz, yet we can plug these into US power at 60 hz.  I just
find it odd that they don't mark it with both
frequencies...or did Amel modify it somehow?
The Dometic system that Eric
mentions must have the same 50/60hz ability, but on the web
site they list different units for 50hz vs 60hz, there
isn't one that will handle either
frequency.
I
understand some appliances are not frequency sensitive, but
I thought a compressor would be?
Just curious...

DuaneWanderer,
SM#477.


Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

Agree.

Bill ROUSE

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar
uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Good morning Ian,

Yes the Calpeda Water pump works as the other air conditioning units work,
and I believe this is a loop from 1 unit to another then out at the bow on
the port side.

Yes the main boat breaker and the shore power trip instantly when
electricity go to the unit. If I disconnect the harness going to the
compressor, it does not trip the power.

Yes the other air conditioning work.

I am very reluctant using the generator to try to run the faulty air
conditioning as I don’t want to risk another control board.

I already testes and changed the capacitors…

I am afraid it is a short in the compressor…

Thanks again for your help…
In a couple of weeks, likely to go back to Sint Maarten and have a proper
Climma tech doing the trouble shooting…

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Thu, 6/29/17, Ian Shepherd sv_freespirit@yahoo.co.uk [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 29, 2017, 8:07 AM
















Hi Alexandre,
I take it that you have checked the obvious? Does the
Klima a/c
water pump send cooling water through to the outlet on
the forward
port side of the hull? If the pump motor is not
running then the
CB will trip after a few seconds. I recently went
though this. At
first I thought the motor/pump had seized up and
needed the turn
with screwdriver treatment. But in my case it was the
10uF run
capacitor that had fallen to 6.37 uF . Changing this
for a new one
restored normal working.
If the breaker trips immediately then it is likely to
be
something else. I take it that the other a/c units
work normally?
If not, it may be associated with the cooling motor.
Try tripping
the Eau de Mer breaker in the engine room. Then start
the genset
and select the suspect a/c unit to on. If the breaker
trips after
about 20 seconds or so, then it is likely to be a
cooling motor
fault. Maybe the run capacitor is short circuit?
Disconnect the
two wires that disappear into the motor itself.
Measure the
resistance. It should be around 38 ohms. If your test
meter
measures capacitance, check the actual capacitance of
the
capacitor under the lid. You must disconnect it first.
If it is
not 10 uF then best to change it.
Apologies if you have already been through this, but
I have only
just seen the thread.
Good luck
Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader Marmaris Turkey




On 29/06/2017 11:40,
Alexandre Uster
von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] wrote:





Good morning Eric,



I am afraid the continuity feel over my skill
level at the
moment…



Going to contact Titan Marine and Rob Marine
both in Saint
Maarten recommended by Coastal Climate
Control, then
likely will sail back to Saint Maarten.



Hopefully as Bill mentioned, the compressor
can be
changed…



I have not tried to tap the compressor with a
soft mallet,
as when it is connected it trips the power.
(If I
disconnect its harness then the power does not
trip).



Have a great trip!



Sincerely Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse
& marina

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 11:08 PM

























Hi Alexandre,

Continuity means that if you are using a

multimeter set to ohms. If you touch the
two leads

together you read 0 that means there is a very
good

connection between the leads that is
continuity. If you

have the compressor disconnected and touch
one lead to
one

of the two power wires and the case of the
compressor on a

shiny area and the meter reads 0 you have a
short in the

compressor.



Climate control only sells parts to the two
operations

in St Maarten.The Climma company near the
bridge

perma frost has an extremely bad reputation
and I have had

experience with them. Enertech also wanted to
build me a

new evaporator for one of my freezers for
$600- years ago

and the evaporator cost me $150 from Climate
control. You

might ask at Budget marine or Island water
world for a

recommendation.



The dometic air conditioner is almost a do it
yourself

installation without almost any modifications
to the

system.

If the compressor is shorted it is more
economical to

replace the whole unit as it is old and
something else
might

go bad.

Did you try tapping the compressor with a soft
mallet

and then seeing if it will start.

Good luck.



























































----- Original Message -----

From:

"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners]"

Date: Wednesday,

June 28, 2017 5:07 pm

Subject: Re: [Amel

Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
Tripping 220 Volt

Panel Fuse & marina

To:

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Good afternoon Eric,


I checked the small capacitors as well
as the large ones.

I am not sure what means “measure
the

continuity to the

compressor case”.


When I plug the air conditioning: it
trips the power.

If I disconnect the
wires in the harness going to the

compressor, then it doesn’t trip.



So by “having a bad compressor”
does it means that I need a new

one?
Or can it be rebuilt?

According to Climate Control, they are
2

Climma Marine person in

Sint Maarten,
I will contact them, then likely go back
there.

Thanks for the info
on the Dometic 10. Will it also power the

Calpeda cooling pump? Or does it
required

modifications…

Sincerely, Alexandre


--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners]

wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning

Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina

To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date:
Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:34 PM

Alexandre,
I am leaving the first bridge
tomorrow.

I would check the 3 small capacitors
that

run the

fan.
I
guess you checked the 2 big ones that work
with the

compressor.
did you measure the continuity to the
compressor case

to the power leads of
the compressor?



I think you have a bad compressor
and bad fan

capacitors--remember there
is a time delay.

If you bring a AC tech
on board I think he will find

the
same. The other very obscure possibility is
that the

compressor is out of gas. However that
is

something that we

can not do. The
compressor gas is measured in ounces.



Fair Winds,
Eric

Sm 376
----- Original
Message -----
From:
"Alexandre

Uster von
Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"


Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:45
am

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air

Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina

To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Good morning Eric,
Since you
are

leaving in a little bit, making it
short:

Here is what I did:
I completely removed the unit (I
will

make an illustration later
on of the
removal process).

I connected the air conditioning
unit

in

the cockpit to a shore
power (this way
it won’t trip my boat all the time).

Here is what I find out:
When I
connect the harness going to the

compressor, the power

trips
right

away.
So I disconnected the harness

going to
the compressor and it did

not
trip.
In one of
your email, you

mention if there is a
short in the

compressor, then it is dead. Correct? Or is
there other

test

to do?


Also,
I did another test (not connecting

the
compressor harness)

but
connecting

the harness to the fan (and
control), the power

did not trip,
but the fan was not turning

(even
thought I was

measuring
electricity at the fan plug).
So looks
to me
the fan is also dead…

Some pictures of the above tests:
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh_test.html

Thanks again,
sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/28/17,
kimberlite@optonline.net

[amelyachtowners]

wrote:
Subject:
Re: [Amel

Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning

Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &

marina
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date:

Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:06
AM

Hi Alexandre,
I will be at sea either this afternoon
or
tomorrow..
Please reply to
WB2cwd@winlink.org.

Fair winds,
Eric

-----
Original
Message
-----

From: "Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"


Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017
6:25

am

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft

Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Good morning Bill &
Eric,
Thanks

for your continuous
support.
I will keep you posted of
what I find.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Tue, 6/27/17,
kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners]

wrote:
Subject:

Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air

Conditioning

Tripping 220
Volt

Panel Fuse &
marina
To:

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21

PM




Bill,
Cant
Hurt.
Eric

----- Original
Message -----
From:
"'Bill &
Judy
Rouse'
yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners]"


Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
5:58

pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht

Owners]
Aft

Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To:
"amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"



Eric,
I would like to test
those capacitors...I think
that

they

might


charge when

power
goes to the control
unit. Of
course
his problem could be

anything,but I had his exact
problem and

changing out the


Compressor
RUN
Capacitor
(40uf) solved the
issue.

Bill
On Tue,
Jun 27,

2017 at 3:30 PM,
kimberlite@optonline.net


[amelyachtowners] wrote:
Bill,
when the
thermostat is in

the
neutral
position there is no AC
going
to

the
unit. Thus a bad
capacitor

would not make any
difference.

Fair
Winds,
Eric
-----
Original Message -----

From:
"'Bill & Judy
Rouse'
yahoogroups@svbebe.com

[amelyachtowners]"

Date:

Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm

Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft Cabin Air

Conditioning
Tripping 220
Volt Panel
Fuse & marina
To:

"amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"

I
think Eric is right and I think
that the first
thing I

would
do is
replace the two capacitors
I

mentioned earlier.

Best,
Bill Rouse
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
11:30

AM,
kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
Alexandre,

with the switch
In
neutral
position the AC unit is off.
I
would suspect a
short in the wiring
somewhere.

it

could be
anywhere.

Good
luck,

Eric

----- Original
Message
-----
From:
"Alexandre
Uster von Baar
uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners]">
Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am

Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft

Cabin
Air Conditioning
Tripping
220
Volt Panel Fuse
& marina
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
I run the
forward air conditioning without

problem.

As Eric
ask, I

switch on the Aft Air
Conditioning
with the
switch in
neutral position (neither cold
not

hot)

and


right away

the Ground Fault Interrupt
(GFI) breaker trip

(as well


as

the
marina).

What

does that tell you?

--------------------------------------------

On
Tue,

6/27/17,
kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners]

wrote:
Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]

Aft
Cabin Air Conditioning
Tripping

220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina

To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 27,
2017,

9:10

AM
Alexandre,

there is

a switch and
thermostat by
each AC unit. when
the
switch is in neutral
position does
the
breaker still
trip?

if not does it trip
when the switch

is in
the heat
position?
To
discharge
the

capacitor take a wire

with
insulated
alligator clips

put
one clip on the body
of the pump or
case
and the other clip to a lug
of

the

capacitor.
Fair winds,
Eric
-----
Original
Message

-----
From:
"Alexandre Uster von
Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 27,
2017

7:55
am

Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht
Owners] Aft

Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt

Panel Fuse &

marina
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Good
morning

John, Mark,
Eric and

Francisco and thank you for
your replies,
Based on what
you
wrote, I suspect a short and a

dead

compressor…
Going to test the Capacitors,
but how to

“discharge
them”
prior
to
testing?
Eric, I

did
not
really
understand
the:

“if
the AC switch is off

at the
thermostat
does it still trip the
breaker?”
Thanks in
advance,

sincerely,
Alexandre

--------------------------------------------

On

Mon,
6/26/17,

kimberlite@optonline.net

[amelyachtowners]
wrote:
Subject:
Re:
[Amel

Yacht
Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning

Tripping 220 Volt Panel
Fuse &

marina
To:

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date:
Monday,
June 26, 2017, 9:24
PM
Alexandre.
if the AC
switch
is
off at the

thermostat
does it
still
trip
the
breaker?
The
breaker on the AC panel side
is a
quick
blow

circuit breaker,
If
there is

a short
it will
trip

before the
diruptor.
If the AC is on at the
thermostat and
the circuit still trips the
breaker,
Check the

continuity of the compressor
to
ground. If

there is a short to
ground
the
compressor is
dead.
Fair

Winds,
Eric

sm 376

-----
Original

Message -----
From:
"Alexandre
Uster von

Baar
uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners]"
Date:
Monday,

June 26,
2017
5:19 pm
Subject: [Amel
Yacht

Owners] Aft
Cabin
Air
Conditioning
Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse & marina
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Good

afternoon,
Today, I hear
the
fuse of the 220 Volt
Panel

tripping
(the
one
behind
the
panel).

I
found out
the
fuse of
the

marina also

trip.
After running
tests,
the cause is the
Aft

Cabin
Air

Conditioning
(which I
have been
using non

stop for 9
days).
Running
the salon does
not trip anything.
What could
be the
cause?

How to
diagnostic
and
solve the issue?

Did I use too much
the
air conditioning?
How come the
Diruptor
did not
trip, but the
220 Volt Panel did?
How come I trip
the

marina
fuse?
Thanks in
advance.
Sincerely,

Alexandre

SM2K
#289
NIKIMAT

Port de
Gustavia,
Saint

Barthélémy,

FWI


Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Ian,

Yes the Calpeda Water pump works as the other air conditioning units work, and I believe this is a loop from 1 unit to another then out at the bow on the port side.

Yes the main boat breaker and the shore power trip instantly when electricity go to the unit. If I disconnect the harness going to the compressor, it does not trip the power.

Yes the other air conditioning work.

I am very reluctant using the generator to try to run the faulty air conditioning as I don’t want to risk another control board.

I already testes and changed the capacitors…

I am afraid it is a short in the compressor…

Thanks again for your help…
In a couple of weeks, likely to go back to Sint Maarten and have a proper Climma tech doing the trouble shooting…

Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 6/29/17, Ian Shepherd sv_freespirit@yahoo.co.uk [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 29, 2017, 8:07 AM


 












Hi Alexandre,
I take it that you have checked the obvious? Does the
Klima a/c
water pump send cooling water through to the outlet on
the forward
port side of the hull? If the pump motor is not
running then the
CB will trip after a few seconds. I recently went
though this. At
first I thought the motor/pump had seized up and
needed the turn
with screwdriver treatment. But in my case it was the
10uF run
capacitor that had fallen to 6.37 uF . Changing this
for a new one
restored normal working.
If the breaker trips immediately then it is likely to
be
something else. I take it that the other a/c units
work normally?
If not, it may be associated with the cooling motor.
Try tripping
the Eau de Mer breaker in the engine room. Then start
the genset
and select the suspect a/c unit to on. If the breaker
trips after
about 20 seconds or so, then it is likely to be a
cooling motor
fault. Maybe the run capacitor is short circuit?
Disconnect the
two wires that disappear into the motor itself.
Measure the
resistance. It should be around 38 ohms. If your test
meter
measures capacitance, check the actual capacitance of
the
capacitor under the lid. You must disconnect it first.
If it is
not 10 uF then best to change it.
Apologies if you have already been through this, but
I have only
just seen the thread.
Good luck
Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader Marmaris Turkey




On 29/06/2017 11:40,
Alexandre Uster
von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] wrote:


 


Good morning Eric,



I am afraid the continuity feel over my skill
level at the
moment…



Going to contact Titan Marine and Rob Marine
both in Saint
Maarten recommended by Coastal Climate
Control, then
likely will sail back to Saint Maarten.



Hopefully as Bill mentioned, the compressor
can be
changed…



I have not tried to tap the compressor with a
soft mallet,
as when it is connected it trips the power.
(If I
disconnect its harness then the power does not
trip).



Have a great trip!



Sincerely Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse
& marina

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 11:08 PM





 



















Hi Alexandre,

Continuity means that if you are using a

multimeter set to ohms. If  you touch the
two leads

together you read 0 that means there is a very
good

connection between the leads that is
continuity. If you

have the compressor disconnected  and touch
one lead to
one

of the two power wires and the case of the
compressor on a

shiny area and the meter reads 0 you have a
short in the

compressor.

 

Climate control only sells parts to the two
operations

in St Maarten.The Climma company near the
bridge

perma frost has an extremely bad reputation
and I have had

experience with them. Enertech also wanted to
build me a

new evaporator for one of my freezers for
$600-  years ago

and the evaporator cost me $150 from Climate
control. You

might ask at Budget marine or Island water
world for a

recommendation.

 

The dometic air conditioner is almost a do it
yourself

installation without almost any modifications
to the

system.

If the compressor is shorted it is more
economical to

replace the whole unit as it is old and
something else
might

go bad.

Did you try tapping the compressor with a soft
mallet

and then seeing if it will start.

Good luck.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From:

"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners]"

Date: Wednesday,

June 28, 2017 5:07 pm

Subject: Re: [Amel

Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
Tripping 220 Volt

Panel Fuse & marina

To:

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



> Good afternoon Eric,

>



> I checked the small capacitors as well

as the large ones.

>

> I am not sure what means “measure
the

continuity to the

> compressor case”.



> When I plug the air conditioning: it

trips the power.

> If I disconnect the

wires in the harness going to the

>

compressor, then it doesn’t trip.

>



> So by “having a bad compressor”

does it means that I need a new

> one?

Or can it be rebuilt?

>

> According to Climate Control, they are
2

Climma Marine person in

> Sint Maarten,

I will contact them, then likely go back
there.

>

> Thanks for the info

on the Dometic 10. Will it also power the

> Calpeda cooling pump? Or does it
required

modifications…

>

>

Sincerely, Alexandre

>

>

>

>

>

>


--------------------------------------------

> On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@optonline.net

[amelyachtowners]

> wrote:

>

> Subject: Re: [Amel

Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning

> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &

marina

> To:

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> Date:

Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:34 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Alexandre,

> I am leaving the first bridge
tomorrow.

> I would check the 3 small capacitors
that

run the

> fan.

> I

guess you checked the 2 big ones that work
with the

> compressor.

>  

> did you measure the continuity to the

compressor case

> to the power leads of

the compressor?

>  

>

 

> I think you have a bad compressor

and bad fan

> capacitors--remember there

is a time delay.

> If you bring a AC tech

on board I think he will find

> the

same.  The other very obscure possibility is
that the

> compressor is out of gas. However that
is

something that we

> can not do. The

compressor gas is measured in ounces.

>

 

> Fair Winds,

>

Eric

> Sm 376

>  

>

> ----- Original

> Message -----

> From:

"Alexandre

> Uster von

>

Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"


> Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:45
am

> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft

Cabin Air

> Conditioning Tripping 220

Volt Panel Fuse & marina

> To:

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

>

> > Good morning Eric,

> >

> > Since you

are

> leaving in a little bit, making it

short:

> > Here is what I did:

> >

>

> > I completely removed the unit (I

will

> make an illustration later

> > on of the

>

removal process).

> >

> > I connected the air conditioning
unit

in

> the cockpit to a shore

> > power (this way

>

it won’t trip my boat all the time).

>

>

> Here is what I find out:

> >

> > When I

connect the harness going to the

>

compressor, the power

> > trips

right

> away.

> >

So I disconnected the harness

> going to

the compressor and it did

> > not

> trip.

> > In one of

your email, you

> mention if there is a

short in the

> >

>

compressor, then it is dead. Correct? Or is
there other

test

>

> > to do?



> >

> > Also,

I did another test (not connecting

> the

compressor harness)

> > but

connecting

> the harness to the fan (and

control), the power

> > did not trip,

but the fan was not turning

> (even

thought I was

> > measuring

> electricity at the fan plug).

> > So looks

> to me

the fan is also dead…

> >

> > Some pictures of the above tests:

> >

>

>

http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh_test.html

>

> > Thanks again,

> sincerely, Alexandre

>

>

> >

> >



> >

> >

>


--------------------------------------------

> > On Wed, 6/28/17,

kimberlite@optonline.net

>

[amelyachtowners]

> > wrote:

> >

> > Subject:

Re: [Amel

> Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air

Conditioning

> > Tripping 220 Volt

Panel Fuse &

> marina

> > To:

>

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> >

Date:

> Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:06

AM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Alexandre,

>

> I will be at sea either this afternoon

> or

> > tomorrow..

> >

> Please reply to

WB2cwd@winlink.org.

> >

> Fair winds,

> >

Eric

> >

>

> >

> > -----

> Original

> > Message

-----

> > From: "Alexandre

> >

> Uster von

> >

>

Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"


> > Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017
6:25

am

> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht

Owners] Aft

> Cabin Air

> > Conditioning Tripping 220

> Volt Panel Fuse & marina

> > To:

>

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> >



> > > Good morning Bill &

> > Eric,

> > >

Thanks

> for your continuous

> > support.

> >

> I will keep you posted of

> >

what I find.

> > >

> Sincerely, Alexandre

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

> >

>


--------------------------------------------

> > > On Tue, 6/27/17,

> kimberlite@optonline.net

> >

>

[amelyachtowners]

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > >

Subject:

> Re:

> >

[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air

>

Conditioning

> > > Tripping 220

Volt

> Panel Fuse &

> > marina

> > >

To:

> >

>

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> >

>

> Date:

> >

Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21

> PM

> > >

> > >



> > >  

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >



> > >

> >

>

> > >

>

> > Bill,

> > > Cant

> Hurt.

> > >

Eric

> >

> >

> > > ----- Original

> > > Message -----

> >

> > From:

> > "'Bill &

> > > Judy

>

>

> Rouse'

>

> >

> >

>

yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners]"


> > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017

5:58

> pm

> > >

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht

> Owners]

Aft

> > Cabin Air

>

> > Conditioning Tripping 220

>

> Volt Panel Fuse & marina

> >

> To:

> >

>

"amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"

> > >

> > >



> > > > Eric,

> > >

> >

> > > > I would like to test

> > > those capacitors...I think
that

they

> might

> >



> > > >

>

charge when

> > >

> >

> > power

> > > goes to the control

> unit. Of

> > course

his problem could be

>

> > > >

>

>

> anything,but I had his exact

problem and

> > > changing out the



> > >

> >

> Compressor

> RUN

> > > Capacitor

>

>

> > > (40uf) solved the

issue.

> > >

>

>

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> >

> >

>

> >

> >

> > >

> > On Tue,

> >

Jun 27,

> > > 2017 at 3:30 PM,

> >

>

kimberlite@optonline.net


> > >

>

> > [amelyachtowners] wrote:

> > > >

> >

> >

> >

>

> > >

> >

> >

> > > >

> Bill,

> > > > > when the

thermostat is in

> the

> > neutral

> >

>

> position there is no AC

> > > >

> going

to

> > > the

>

>

> > > > unit. Thus a bad

capacitor

> > > would not make any

difference.

> > > > >

> > >

> Fair

> > Winds,

> >

>

> > > Eric

> > > > >

>

> > > >

> >

> -----

> > >

Original Message -----

> > > >

> From:

> >

>

>

> > "'Bill & Judy

> Rouse'

> >

yahoogroups@svbebe.com

> > >

> >

>

[amelyachtowners]"

> > >

>

> >

> >

Date:

> > >

>

Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm

> >

>

> > >

>

> > Subject:

> > Re: [Amel Yacht

Owners] Aft Cabin Air

> Conditioning

> > >

> >

> > > Tripping 220

> > > >

>

>

> > > Volt Panel

> > Fuse & marina

> >

> > > >

To:

> > >

>

>

>

"amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"

> > > > >

>

> >

> > >

> > > I

> >

> > think Eric is right and I think

> >

> that the first

thing I

> > > would

> > > > > > do is

> > >

> > >

> >

> replace the two capacitors

I

> > >

>

mentioned earlier.

> > >

> > > > >

>

> >

> > > > Best,

> > > > >

>

> > >

> > > >

> > > Bill Rouse

>

> > > >

> >

> > > >

>

>

> > >

>

> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at

>

11:30

> > AM,

>

> >

> kimberlite@optonline.net

> > > > >

>

>

> > >

>

>

> [amelyachtowners] wrote:

> > > >

>

>

> > >

>

> >

> > > > >

> > > > >

>

> > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

Alexandre,

> > > > > >

> with the switch

> In

> > neutral

> >

>

> position the AC unit is off.

> > I

> > > >

>

> > >

>

>

> > would suspect a

> > > > > > >

> > > short in the wiring
somewhere.

it

> could be

> >

anywhere.

> >

>

> > > > > Good

> >

luck,

> > > > > > >

Eric

> > > >

> > > >

>

>

> > >

>

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > ----- Original

>

> Message

> > > -----

> > >

> >

> > > > > From:

> > > "Alexandre

> >

> Uster von Baar

uster@rocketmail.com

> >

> >

> > > >

>

> [amelyachtowners]">

> > > Date:

>

Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am

> >

>

> >

> >

> > > >

> > Subject: Re:

[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft

> Cabin

> > > Air Conditioning

> > > >

> >

> >

> Tripping

>

> > 220

> >

>

> > > > > Volt Panel Fuse

> > > & marina

> >

> > >

> > > > > To:

> > >

> >

> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

> >

>

> > > > > I run the

>

>

> >

> >

forward air conditioning without

>

problem.

> > > > > >

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> > > >

> > > As Eric

ask, I

> switch on the Aft Air

> > > Conditioning

> with the

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

> > > > switch in

> > neutral position (neither cold
not

hot)

> and

> > >



> > >

> >

right away

> > > > >

> > > > >

>

> >

> the Ground Fault Interrupt

(GFI) breaker trip

> > > (as well



> > >

> >

as

> > the

> >

>

> >

> >

> > >

> > > >

marina).

> >

> >

> > >

> > > > >

What

> does that tell you?

> > > > >

>

> > > >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> >

>

> > >

>

>

> >

> >

>


--------------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > On

Tue,

> > 6/27/17,

>

> >

> kimberlite@optonline.net

> >

>

[amelyachtowners]

> > > > >

>

> >

> >

> wrote:

> >

>

> > > > > >

> >

>

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > Subject:

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]

> Aft

> > > Cabin Air Conditioning

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > >

Tripping

> 220 Volt Panel Fuse &

marina

> > >

>

> > > > > To:

> >

>

> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> > >

> >

>

> > > > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, June 27,
2017,

9:10

> AM

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > >

>

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> > >

>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> >

> >

Alexandre,

> >

>

> > > > > >

> >

there is

> a switch and

> > > thermostat by

> > each AC unit. when

> >

> > >

>

> > > > > > the

> switch is in neutral

>

> position does

> the

> > > breaker still

> > > > > > > >

trip?

> > > if not does it trip

when the switch

> is in

> > the heat

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> position?

> > > > > > > >

> To

> > discharge

the

> >

> >

capacitor take a wire

> > with

> insulated

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

alligator clips

> put

> > one clip on the body

> > > of the pump or

> >

> case

> > > > > > > >

> > > and the other clip to a lug
of

the

> > capacitor.

> > > >

> >

> > >

> > Fair winds,

> > > > > > > >

> > Eric

> > >

> >

> > > > -----

> > Original

>

Message

> > > -----

> >

> > > >

> > > From:

> >

> > "Alexandre Uster von

> > >

> > >

>

> > > >

> > > Baar uster@rocketmail.com

> > >

> >

> [amelyachtowners]"

> > > > >

>

>

> > >

>

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, June 27,

2017

> > 7:55

>

am

> > > > > > >

>

> > Subject: Re: [Amel

> >

> > Yacht

Owners] Aft

> > Cabin Air

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt

> >

Panel Fuse &

> > >

> marina

> > > >

> > > >

> To:

> > >

>

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> >

>

> > >

>

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

>

> > > >

> > > Good

morning

> John, Mark,

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > >

Eric and

> Francisco and thank you for

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> > > >

>

> > > > your replies,

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> > > >

>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > Based on what

> > you

> > >

wrote, I suspect a short and a

> >

dead

> > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> > > compressor…

> > >

> >

>

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

>

> > Going to test the Capacitors,

but how to

> > > > > >

> >

> “discharge

> > them”

> >

> prior

> > >

> >

> > > >

> > > to

> > > testing?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

> > > >

Eric, I

> > did

>

> > not

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> really

> > > understand

the:

> >

> “if

the AC switch is off

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> > at the

> thermostat

> > >

> >

> does it still trip the

> > > > >

>

>

> > >

>

> >

> > breaker?”

> > > > > >

> > >

> > >

>

> > > > > >

> >

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

> >

> > Thanks in

advance,

> > > sincerely,

> >

> Alexandre

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

>

> >

> > >

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

> >

>

> > > > >

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

>


--------------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >
>

On

> Mon,

> >

6/26/17,

> > >

>

kimberlite@optonline.net

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> >

> >

>

> [amelyachtowners]

> > > >

>

> >

> >

>

> > >

>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

> > > > >

>

> >

> >

> > Subject:

> > > Re:

> > > > > > > >

[Amel

> Yacht

> >

> Owners] Aft Cabin Air

>

Conditioning

> > > > >

> > > > >

>

> >

> > Tripping 220 Volt Panel

Fuse &

> >

>

> > > > > > marina

>

>

> > > > > > > >

To:

> >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> > >

> >

>

> > > > >

> > > > Date:

>

> >

> > > >

> > > > > Monday,

> June 26, 2017, 9:24

>

> PM

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > Alexandre.

> > > >

> >

> > >

> > > if the AC

> switch

> > > is

off at the

> > thermostat

> > > >

> >

> >

> > > > does it

> still

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > > > trip

> the

> > breaker?

> > >

> > >

> >

> > > > > The

> breaker on the AC panel side

> > is a

> > >

> > > > > quick

> >

blow

> > > > >

> > > > >

>

> circuit breaker,

> > > If

there is

> > >

>

> > > > > a short

> >

>

> it will

> >

> > >

> > > > > >

trip

> > > before the

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > diruptor.

> If the AC is on at the

> > > >

>

>

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> > > > >

> > > thermostat and

> the circuit still trips the

> > breaker,

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

Check the

> > >

> continuity of the compressor

> > to

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

ground. If

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> there is a short to

> >

> ground

> > > >

> > > >

> the

> > compressor is

>

>

> > dead.

>

> > > > > >

> > >

Fair

> > > Winds,

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

Eric

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

sm 376

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> > > > > >

> > -----

>

Original

> > > > > >

>

> >

> >

> Message -----

> > > > >

> >

> > > > From:

> > >

> > >

> >

> > >

> "Alexandre

> >

> > > >

> > > > >

Uster von

> > > > > >

> >

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

> >

> > Baar

> > >

>

uster@rocketmail.com

> >

> [amelyachtowners]"

> > > > >

>

>

> > > > > Date:

Monday,

> > > June 26,

> > 2017

> 5:19 pm

> > > > > > >

> > > > > Subject: [Amel

Yacht

> Owners] Aft

>

> Cabin

> >

>

> > > > > > Air

> >

>

> > > > > > >

> >

> Conditioning

> > > Tripping 220 Volt

> > > > > > > >

> > > Panel Fuse & marina

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > >

> To:

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> >

>

> > >

>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> > > > >

Good

> afternoon,

>

> > > > >

> > >

>

> > >

>

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > >

> > > >

> >

>

> > > > > >

> > > Today, I hear

> >

> the

> > > > > > > >

> > > > fuse of the 220 Volt

Panel

> tripping

>

> (the

> > >

> > > > > > one

> > > >

> >

> > > > > behind

> >

> the

> > >

panel).

> >

> >

>

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > I

> > >

> > >

> > > > found out

> >

> > the

> > >

> > >

> > > > fuse of

the

> >

> >

marina also

> > trip.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

>

> >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > > After running

> >

> tests,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > the cause is the

Aft

> Cabin

> >

Air

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> Conditioning

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > (which I

> > > have been

>

> >

> > > > > >

using non

> > >

> stop for 9

> > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > days).

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> > >

>

> > Running

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> the salon does

> > >

> not trip anything.

>

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

>

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

>

> > What could

> > > >

> > > > be the

> > >

cause?

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > How to

> >

> diagnostic

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > and

solve the issue?

> > >

> > > > >

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >
>

> > > > Did I use too much

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > >

> the

> air conditioning?

> > > >

> >

>

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> >

> > > > How come the

> > >

> > >

> >

> > >

> > > > Diruptor

> > did not

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > trip, but the

> 220 Volt Panel did?

>

> > >

> > > > >

>

> >

> >

> >

> > > > > >

> > > > > How come I trip
the

> marina

> > fuse?

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > > > Thanks in

> advance.

> > >

>

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > >

>

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> > >

>

Sincerely,

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

Alexandre

> > > > > > >

>

> > > SM2K

> > #289

> > >

NIKIMAT

> > >

>

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > Port de

> >

> Gustavia,

Saint

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

Barthélémy,

> > >

> > > > >

>

> >

> > > > FWI


Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Ben,

10.000 BTU would be too much for me… I already put on the “warmest” with my 8.000 BTU and still too cold.

I wish the price I received was $1500…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI



--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 6/29/17, joedoakes66@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 29, 2017, 8:05 AM


 









AlexLa Bella Vita's rear cabin AC was
replaced five years ago with a 10K BTU Marine Air unit.
There were no issues with the install and it works perfectly
with other original units and pump.  I'm told by
previous owner unit cost $1500 dollars and $300 to install
at that time.  By the way, a 10k unit will freeze you out
of rear cabin.  We usually set thermostat high to prevent
ice😊
Ben
Ben and Gayle La Bella
Vita SM2 #347Le Marin


Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Duane,

Coastal Climate Control says that it is ok to run their 50 Hz air conditioning on 60 Hz, just will burn more often the capacitors.

I don’t know about the Dometic one, since Eric has one, he can answer when he uses shore power (often 60 Hz) or his generator (50 Hz).


Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI





--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 6/29/17, sailor63109@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 29, 2017, 7:57 AM


 









From Alexandres photo, the unit is marked 220V
50hz, yet we can plug these into US power at 60 hz.  I just
find it odd that they don't mark it with both
frequencies...or did Amel modify it somehow?
The Dometic system that Eric
mentions must have the same 50/60hz ability, but on the web
site they list different units for 50hz vs 60hz, there
isn't one that will handle either
frequency.
I
understand some appliances are not frequency sensitive, but
I thought a compressor would be?
Just curious...

DuaneWanderer,
SM#477.


Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,

The Climma Compact units can be operated at 220 50 or 60htz. 

I believe that they are not marked that way because they function and perform as designed at 50htz. There are no microprocessors in the Climma Compact that would be adversely affected by 60htz...the only change when running on 60htz is the speed of motors: fan and compressor. Therefore, the Climma Compact units can be operated at 220 50 or 60htz, as stated in our Amel Manuals.

The other side of the coin is that those other brand AC units that are "marked" 50/60htz normally do not publish difference performance specs for each frequency.

I assume Climma wants to be pure in their labeling and performance specifications. I believe most experts agree that Climma is the best AC system that you can buy, whether you own an Amel or a 100 meter superyacht.

There was no Amel modification on SM 387 and I assume the answer to your question is no.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550












On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 7:57 AM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

From Alexandres photo, the unit is marked 220V 50hz, yet we can plug these into US power at 60 hz.  I just find it odd that they don't mark it with both frequencies...or did Amel modify it somehow?


The Dometic system that Eric mentions must have the same 50/60hz ability, but on the web site they list different units for 50hz vs 60hz, there isn't one that will handle either frequency.

I understand some appliances are not frequency sensitive, but I thought a compressor would be?

Just curious...

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477.



Duane Siegfri
 

To close the loop on my question concerning frequency, there is a thread entitled "Climma A/C 220v/50Hz" from Feb 2010 that discusses it.  According to the thread the Climma units are not marketed as dual frequency, but we're using them that way. The downside (according to that thread) is more frequent failure of the capacitors (possibly).  The compressor will run faster on the 60 hz and perhaps cause more wear.

Since the genny is 50hz one would want to continue with a 50hz AC unit.  Anyone know if Climma is uniquely designed to be more amenable to 60hz power or will they all be fine?

Duane



Ian Shepherd
 

Hi Alexandre,

I take it that you have checked the obvious? Does the Klima a/c water pump send cooling water through to the outlet on the forward port side of the hull? If the pump motor is not running then the CB will trip after a few seconds. I recently went though this. At first I thought the motor/pump had seized up and needed the turn with screwdriver treatment. But in my case it was the 10uF run capacitor that had fallen to 6.37 uF . Changing this for a new one restored normal working.

If the breaker trips immediately then it is likely to be something else. I take it that the other a/c units work normally? If not, it may be associated with the cooling motor. Try tripping the Eau de Mer breaker in the engine room. Then start the genset and select the suspect a/c unit to on. If the breaker trips after about 20 seconds or so, then it is likely to be a cooling motor fault. Maybe the run capacitor is short circuit? Disconnect the two wires that disappear into the motor itself. Measure the resistance. It should be around 38 ohms. If your test meter measures capacitance, check the actual capacitance of the capacitor under the lid. You must disconnect it first. If it is not 10 uF then best to change it.

Apologies if you have already been through this, but I have only just seen the thread.

Good luck

Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader Marmaris Turkey

On 29/06/2017 11:40, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Good morning Eric,

I am afraid the continuity feel over my skill level at the moment…

Going to contact Titan Marine and Rob Marine both in Saint Maarten recommended by Coastal Climate Control, then likely will sail back to Saint Maarten.

Hopefully as Bill mentioned, the compressor can be changed…

I have not tried to tap the compressor with a soft mallet, as when it is connected it trips the power. (If I disconnect its harness then the power does not trip).

Have a great trip!

Sincerely Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 11:08 PM












Hi Alexandre,
Continuity means that if you are using a
multimeter set to ohms. If you touch the two leads
together you read 0 that means there is a very good
connection between the leads that is continuity. If you
have the compressor disconnected and touch one lead to one
of the two power wires and the case of the compressor on a
shiny area and the meter reads 0 you have a short in the
compressor.

Climate control only sells parts to the two operations
in St Maarten.The Climma company near the bridge
perma frost has an extremely bad reputation and I have had
experience with them. Enertech also wanted to build me a
new evaporator for one of my freezers for $600- years ago
and the evaporator cost me $150 from Climate control. You
might ask at Budget marine or Island water world for a
recommendation.

The dometic air conditioner is almost a do it yourself
installation without almost any modifications to the
system.
If the compressor is shorted it is more economical to
replace the whole unit as it is old and something else might
go bad.
Did you try tapping the compressor with a soft mallet
and then seeing if it will start.
Good luck.





























----- Original Message -----
From:
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday,
June 28, 2017 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse & marina
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Good afternoon Eric,
I checked the small capacitors as well
as the large ones.

I am not sure what means “measure the
continuity to the
compressor case”.
When I plug the air conditioning: it
trips the power.
If I disconnect the
wires in the harness going to the
compressor, then it doesn’t trip.
So by “having a bad compressor”
does it means that I need a new
one?
Or can it be rebuilt?

According to Climate Control, they are 2
Climma Marine person in
Sint Maarten,
I will contact them, then likely go back there.

Thanks for the info
on the Dometic 10. Will it also power the
Calpeda cooling pump? Or does it required
modifications…

Sincerely, Alexandre





--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners]
wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date:
Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:34 PM












Alexandre,
I am leaving the first bridge tomorrow.
I would check the 3 small capacitors that
run the
fan.
I
guess you checked the 2 big ones that work with the
compressor.

did you measure the continuity to the
compressor case
to the power leads of
the compressor?

I think you have a bad compressor
and bad fan
capacitors--remember there
is a time delay.
If you bring a AC tech
on board I think he will find
the
same. The other very obscure possibility is that the
compressor is out of gas. However that is
something that we
can not do. The
compressor gas is measured in ounces.
Fair Winds,
Eric
Sm 376


----- Original
Message -----
From:
"Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:45 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Good morning Eric,

Since you
are
leaving in a little bit, making it
short:
Here is what I did:
I completely removed the unit (I
will
make an illustration later
on of the
removal process).

I connected the air conditioning unit
in
the cockpit to a shore
power (this way
it won’t trip my boat all the time).


Here is what I find out:

When I
connect the harness going to the
compressor, the power
trips
right
away.
So I disconnected the harness
going to
the compressor and it did
not
trip.
In one of
your email, you
mention if there is a
short in the
compressor, then it is dead. Correct? Or is there other
test

to do?

Also,
I did another test (not connecting
the
compressor harness)
but
connecting
the harness to the fan (and
control), the power
did not trip,
but the fan was not turning
(even
thought I was
measuring
electricity at the fan plug).
So looks
to me
the fan is also dead…

Some pictures of the above tests:
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh_test.html

Thanks again,
sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 6/28/17,
kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners]
wrote:

Subject:
Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &
marina
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date:
Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:06
AM












Hi Alexandre,
I will be at sea either this afternoon
or
tomorrow..
Please reply to
WB2cwd@winlink.org.
Fair winds,
Eric

-----
Original
Message
-----
From: "Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:25
am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Good morning Bill &
Eric,
Thanks
for your continuous
support.
I will keep you posted of
what I find.
Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6/27/17,
kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners]
wrote:

Subject:
Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
Tripping 220
Volt
Panel Fuse &
marina
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21
PM




Bill,
Cant
Hurt.
Eric


----- Original
Message -----
From:
"'Bill &
Judy

Rouse'


yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
5:58
pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners]
Aft
Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To:
"amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"

Eric,
I would like to test
those capacitors...I think that
they
might
charge when
power
goes to the control
unit. Of
course
his problem could be


anything,but I had his exact
problem and
changing out the
Compressor
RUN
Capacitor

(40uf) solved the
issue.

Bill


On Tue,
Jun 27,
2017 at 3:30 PM,
kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners] wrote:


Bill,
when the
thermostat is in
the
neutral
position there is no AC
going
to
the

unit. Thus a bad
capacitor
would not make any
difference.
Fair
Winds,
Eric
-----
Original Message -----
From:

"'Bill & Judy
Rouse'
yahoogroups@svbebe.com
[amelyachtowners]"

Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
Tripping 220

Volt Panel
Fuse & marina

To:

"amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"


I
think Eric is right and I think
that the first
thing I
would
do is
replace the two capacitors
I
mentioned earlier.


Best,

Bill Rouse

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
11:30
AM,
kimberlite@optonline.net


[amelyachtowners] wrote:





Alexandre,
with the switch
In
neutral
position the AC unit is off.
I

would suspect a
short in the wiring somewhere.
it
could be
anywhere.
Good
luck,
Eric




----- Original
Message
-----
From:
"Alexandre
Uster von Baar
uster@rocketmail.com


[amelyachtowners]">
Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am


Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin
Air Conditioning
Tripping

220
Volt Panel Fuse
& marina

To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

I run the


forward air conditioning without
problem.



As Eric
ask, I
switch on the Aft Air
Conditioning
with the


switch in
neutral position (neither cold not
hot)
and
right away

the Ground Fault Interrupt
(GFI) breaker trip
(as well
as
the



marina).



What
does that tell you?






--------------------------------------------
On
Tue,
6/27/17,
kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners]

wrote:


Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Aft
Cabin Air Conditioning
Tripping
220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017,
9:10
AM

















Alexandre,
there is
a switch and
thermostat by
each AC unit. when

the
switch is in neutral

position does
the
breaker still
trip?
if not does it trip
when the switch
is in
the heat

position?
To
discharge
the

capacitor take a wire
with
insulated
alligator clips
put
one clip on the body
of the pump or
case
and the other clip to a lug of
the
capacitor.
Fair winds,
Eric
-----
Original
Message
-----
From:
"Alexandre Uster von

Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]"


Date: Tuesday, June 27,
2017
7:55
am
Subject: Re: [Amel

Yacht
Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &
marina

To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Good
morning
John, Mark,
Eric and
Francisco and thank you for

your replies,


Based on what
you
wrote, I suspect a short and a
dead


compressor…
Going to test the Capacitors,
but how to
“discharge
them”
prior
to
testing?




Eric, I
did
not
really
understand
the:
“if
the AC switch is off
at the
thermostat
does it still trip the


breaker?”
Thanks in
advance,
sincerely,
Alexandre



--------------------------------------------
On
Mon,
6/26/17,
kimberlite@optonline.net

[amelyachtowners]

wrote:



Subject:
Re:
[Amel
Yacht
Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning


Tripping 220 Volt Panel
Fuse &
marina

To:


amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date:


Monday,
June 26, 2017, 9:24

PM
Alexandre.

if the AC
switch
is
off at the
thermostat

does it
still


trip
the
breaker?

The
breaker on the AC panel side
is a

quick
blow

circuit breaker,
If
there is
a short
it will


trip
before the



diruptor.
If the AC is on at the


thermostat and
the circuit still trips the
breaker,

Check the
continuity of the compressor
to
ground. If
there is a short to
ground

the
compressor is

dead.
Fair
Winds,
Eric
sm 376

-----
Original

Message -----
From:
"Alexandre


Uster von
Baar
uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]"

Date:
Monday,
June 26,
2017
5:19 pm
Subject: [Amel
Yacht
Owners] Aft

Cabin
Air
Conditioning
Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse & marina
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com



Good
afternoon,



Today, I hear
the
fuse of the 220 Volt
Panel
tripping

(the

one
behind
the
panel).

I


found out
the


fuse of
the

marina also
trip.


After running
tests,
the cause is the
Aft
Cabin
Air
Conditioning

(which I
have been

using non
stop for 9
days).
Running
the salon does
not trip anything.

What could

be the
cause?


How to
diagnostic
and
solve the issue?



Did I use too much
the
air conditioning?

How come the

Diruptor
did not



trip, but the
220 Volt Panel did?





How come I trip the
marina
fuse?




Thanks in
advance.






Sincerely,
Alexandre
SM2K
#289
NIKIMAT

Port de
Gustavia,
Saint
Barthélémy,


FWI



Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Alex
La Bella Vita's rear cabin AC was replaced five years ago with a 10K BTU Marine Air unit. There were no issues with the install and it works perfectly with other original units and pump.  I'm told by previous owner unit cost $1500 dollars and $300 to install at that time.  By the way, a 10k unit will freeze you out of rear cabin.  We usually set thermostat high to prevent ice😊

Ben

Ben and Gayle 
La Bella Vita 
SM2 #347
Le Marin 


Duane Siegfri
 

From Alexandres photo, the unit is marked 220V 50hz, yet we can plug these into US power at 60 hz.  I just find it odd that they don't mark it with both frequencies...or did Amel modify it somehow?

The Dometic system that Eric mentions must have the same 50/60hz ability, but on the web site they list different units for 50hz vs 60hz, there isn't one that will handle either frequency.

I understand some appliances are not frequency sensitive, but I thought a compressor would be?

Just curious...

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477.


Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Eric,

I am afraid the continuity feel over my skill level at the moment…

Going to contact Titan Marine and Rob Marine both in Saint Maarten recommended by Coastal Climate Control, then likely will sail back to Saint Maarten.

Hopefully as Bill mentioned, the compressor can be changed…

I have not tried to tap the compressor with a soft mallet, as when it is connected it trips the power. (If I disconnect its harness then the power does not trip).

Have a great trip!

Sincerely Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 11:08 PM


 









Hi Alexandre,
Continuity means that if you are using a
multimeter set to ohms. If  you touch the two leads
together you read 0 that means there is a very good
connection between the leads that is continuity. If you
have the compressor disconnected  and touch one lead to one
of the two power wires and the case of the compressor on a
shiny area and the meter reads 0 you have a short in the
compressor.
 
Climate control only sells parts to the two operations
in St Maarten.The Climma company near the bridge
perma frost has an extremely bad reputation and I have had
experience with them. Enertech also wanted to build me a
new evaporator for one of my freezers for $600-  years ago
and the evaporator cost me $150 from Climate control. You
might ask at Budget marine or Island water world for a
recommendation.
 
The dometic air conditioner is almost a do it yourself
installation without almost any modifications to the
system.
If the compressor is shorted it is more economical to
replace the whole unit as it is old and something else might
go bad.
Did you try tapping the compressor with a soft mallet
and then seeing if it will start.
Good luck.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday,
June 28, 2017 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse & marina
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> Good afternoon Eric,
>

> I checked the small capacitors as well
as the large ones.
>
> I am not sure what means “measure the
continuity to the
> compressor case”.

> When I plug the air conditioning: it
trips the power.
> If I disconnect the
wires in the harness going to the
>
compressor, then it doesn’t trip.
>

> So by “having a bad compressor”
does it means that I need a new
> one?
Or can it be rebuilt?
>
> According to Climate Control, they are 2
Climma Marine person in
> Sint Maarten,
I will contact them, then likely go back there.
>
> Thanks for the info
on the Dometic 10. Will it also power the
> Calpeda cooling pump? Or does it required
modifications…
>
>
Sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
>
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> Date:
Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:34 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alexandre,
> I am leaving the first bridge tomorrow.
> I would check the 3 small capacitors that
run the
> fan.
> I
guess you checked the 2 big ones that work with the
> compressor.
>  
> did you measure the continuity to the
compressor case
> to the power leads of
the compressor?
>  
>
 
> I think you have a bad compressor
and bad fan
> capacitors--remember there
is a time delay.
> If you bring a AC tech
on board I think he will find
> the
same.  The other very obscure possibility is that the
> compressor is out of gas. However that is
something that we
> can not do. The
compressor gas is measured in ounces.
>
 
> Fair Winds,
>
Eric
> Sm 376
>  
>
> ----- Original
> Message -----
> From:
"Alexandre
> Uster von
>
Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:45 am
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Good morning Eric,
> >
> > Since you
are
> leaving in a little bit, making it
short:
> > Here is what I did:
> >
>
> > I completely removed the unit (I
will
> make an illustration later
> > on of the
>
removal process).
> >
> > I connected the air conditioning unit
in
> the cockpit to a shore
> > power (this way
>
it won’t trip my boat all the time).
>
>
> Here is what I find out:
> >
> > When I
connect the harness going to the
>
compressor, the power
> > trips
right
> away.
> >
So I disconnected the harness
> going to
the compressor and it did
> > not
> trip.
> > In one of
your email, you
> mention if there is a
short in the
> >
>
compressor, then it is dead. Correct? Or is there other
test
>
> > to do?

> >
> > Also,
I did another test (not connecting
> the
compressor harness)
> > but
connecting
> the harness to the fan (and
control), the power
> > did not trip,
but the fan was not turning
> (even
thought I was
> > measuring
> electricity at the fan plug).
> > So looks
> to me
the fan is also dead…
> >
> > Some pictures of the above tests:
> >
>
>
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh_test.html
>
> > Thanks again,
> sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > On Wed, 6/28/17,
kimberlite@optonline.net
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > wrote:
> >
> > Subject:
Re: [Amel
> Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
> > Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &
> marina
> > To:
>
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >
Date:
> Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:06
AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Alexandre,
>
> I will be at sea either this afternoon
> or
> > tomorrow..
> >
> Please reply to
WB2cwd@winlink.org.
> >
> Fair winds,
> >
Eric
> >
>
> >
> > -----
> Original
> > Message
-----
> > From: "Alexandre
> >
> Uster von
> >
>
Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
> > Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:25
am
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft
> Cabin Air
> > Conditioning Tripping 220
> Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To:
>
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >

> > > Good morning Bill &
> > Eric,
> > >
Thanks
> for your continuous
> > support.
> >
> I will keep you posted of
> >
what I find.
> > >
> Sincerely, Alexandre
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > On Tue, 6/27/17,
> kimberlite@optonline.net
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
Subject:
> Re:
> >
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
>
Conditioning
> > > Tripping 220
Volt
> Panel Fuse &
> > marina
> > >
To:
> >
>
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >
>
> Date:
> >
Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21
> PM
> > >
> > >

> > >  
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > >
> >
>
> > >
>
> > Bill,
> > > Cant
> Hurt.
> > >
Eric
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original
> > > Message -----
> >
> > From:
> > "'Bill &
> > > Judy
>
>
> Rouse'
>
> >
> >
>
yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners]"
> > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
5:58
> pm
> > >
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
> Owners]
Aft
> > Cabin Air
>
> > Conditioning Tripping 220
>
> Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> >
> To:
> >
>
"amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
> > >
> > >

> > > > Eric,
> > >
> >
> > > > I would like to test
> > > those capacitors...I think that
they
> might
> >

> > > >
>
charge when
> > >
> >
> > power
> > > goes to the control
> unit. Of
> > course
his problem could be
>
> > > >
>
>
> anything,but I had his exact
problem and
> > > changing out the

> > >
> >
> Compressor
> RUN
> > > Capacitor
>
>
> > > (40uf) solved the
issue.
> > >
>
>
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > On Tue,
> >
Jun 27,
> > > 2017 at 3:30 PM,
> >
>
kimberlite@optonline.net
> > >
>
> > [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> Bill,
> > > > > when the
thermostat is in
> the
> > neutral
> >
>
> position there is no AC
> > > >
> going
to
> > > the
>
>
> > > > unit. Thus a bad
capacitor
> > > would not make any
difference.
> > > > >
> > >
> Fair
> > Winds,
> >
>
> > > Eric
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> >
> -----
> > >
Original Message -----
> > > >
> From:
> >
>
>
> > "'Bill & Judy
> Rouse'
> >
yahoogroups@svbebe.com
> > >
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > >
>
> >
> >
Date:
> > >
>
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
> >
>
> > >
>
> > Subject:
> > Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft Cabin Air
> Conditioning
> > >
> >
> > > Tripping 220
> > > >
>
>
> > > Volt Panel
> > Fuse & marina
> >
> > > >
To:
> > >
>
>
>
"amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
> > > > >
>
> >
> > >
> > > I
> >
> > think Eric is right and I think
> >
> that the first
thing I
> > > would
> > > > > > do is
> > >
> > >
> >
> replace the two capacitors
I
> > >
>
mentioned earlier.
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > > > Best,
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > Bill Rouse
>
> > > >
> >
> > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
>
11:30
> > AM,
>
> >
> kimberlite@optonline.net
> > > > >
>
>
> > >
>
>
> [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > >
Alexandre,
> > > > > >
> with the switch
> In
> > neutral
> >
>
> position the AC unit is off.
> > I
> > > >
>
> > >
>
>
> > would suspect a
> > > > > > >
> > > short in the wiring somewhere.
it
> could be
> >
anywhere.
> >
>
> > > > > Good
> >
luck,
> > > > > > >
Eric
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > ----- Original
>
> Message
> > > -----
> > >
> >
> > > > > From:
> > > "Alexandre
> >
> Uster von Baar
uster@rocketmail.com
> >
> >
> > > >
>
> [amelyachtowners]">
> > > Date:
>
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am
> >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
> Cabin
> > > Air Conditioning
> > > >
> >
> >
> Tripping
>
> > 220
> >
>
> > > > > Volt Panel Fuse
> > > & marina
> >
> > >
> > > > > To:
> > >
> >
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
> >
>
> > > > > I run the
>
>
> >
> >
forward air conditioning without
>
problem.
> > > > > >
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > > >
> > > As Eric
ask, I
> switch on the Aft Air
> > > Conditioning
> with the
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > switch in
> > neutral position (neither cold not
hot)
> and
> > >

> > >
> >
right away
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> the Ground Fault Interrupt
(GFI) breaker trip
> > > (as well

> > >
> >
as
> > the
> >
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
marina).
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > >
What
> does that tell you?
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
> > >
>
>
> >
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > On
Tue,
> > 6/27/17,
>
> >
> kimberlite@optonline.net
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > > > >
>
> >
> >
> wrote:
> >
>
> > > > > >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
> Aft
> > > Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
Tripping
> 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> > >
>
> > > > > To:
> >
>
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017,
9:10
> AM
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> >
> >
Alexandre,
> >
>
> > > > > >
> >
there is
> a switch and
> > > thermostat by
> > each AC unit. when
> >
> > >
>
> > > > > > the
> switch is in neutral
>
> position does
> the
> > > breaker still
> > > > > > > >
trip?
> > > if not does it trip
when the switch
> is in
> > the heat
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> position?
> > > > > > > >
> To
> > discharge
the
> >
> >
capacitor take a wire
> > with
> insulated
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
alligator clips
> put
> > one clip on the body
> > > of the pump or
> >
> case
> > > > > > > >
> > > and the other clip to a lug of
the
> > capacitor.
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > Fair winds,
> > > > > > > >
> > Eric
> > >
> >
> > > > -----
> > Original
>
Message
> > > -----
> >
> > > >
> > > From:
> >
> > "Alexandre Uster von
> > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > > Baar uster@rocketmail.com
> > >
> >
> [amelyachtowners]"
> > > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> >
> > Date: Tuesday, June 27,
2017
> > 7:55
>
am
> > > > > > >
>
> > Subject: Re: [Amel
> >
> > Yacht
Owners] Aft
> > Cabin Air
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
> >
Panel Fuse &
> > >
> marina
> > > >
> > > >
> To:
> > >
>
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> > > Good
morning
> John, Mark,
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
Eric and
> Francisco and thank you for
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > your replies,
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > Based on what
> > you
> > >
wrote, I suspect a short and a
> >
dead
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > compressor…
> > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
>
> > Going to test the Capacitors,
but how to
> > > > > >
> >
> “discharge
> > them”
> >
> prior
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > to
> > > testing?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > >
Eric, I
> > did
>
> > not
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> really
> > > understand
the:
> >
> “if
the AC switch is off
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > at the
> thermostat
> > >
> >
> does it still trip the
> > > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> >
> > breaker?”
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> > Thanks in
advance,
> > > sincerely,
> >
> Alexandre
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > >
On
> Mon,
> >
6/26/17,
> > >
>
kimberlite@optonline.net
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
> >
>
> [amelyachtowners]
> > > >
>
> >
> >
>
> > >
>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> >
> > Subject:
> > > Re:
> > > > > > > >
[Amel
> Yacht
> >
> Owners] Aft Cabin Air
>
Conditioning
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > Tripping 220 Volt Panel
Fuse &
> >
>
> > > > > > marina
>
>
> > > > > > > >
To:
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > > Date:
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > > Monday,
> June 26, 2017, 9:24
>
> PM
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > Alexandre.
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > > if the AC
> switch
> > > is
off at the
> > thermostat
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > does it
> still
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > trip
> the
> > breaker?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > The
> breaker on the AC panel side
> > is a
> > >
> > > > > quick
> >
blow
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> circuit breaker,
> > > If
there is
> > >
>
> > > > > a short
> >
>
> it will
> >
> > >
> > > > > >
trip
> > > before the
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > diruptor.
> If the AC is on at the
> > > >
>
>
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > >
> > > thermostat and
> the circuit still trips the
> > breaker,
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
Check the
> > >
> continuity of the compressor
> > to
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
ground. If
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> there is a short to
> >
> ground
> > > >
> > > >
> the
> > compressor is
>
>
> > dead.
>
> > > > > >
> > >
Fair
> > > Winds,
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
Eric
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
sm 376
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> > -----
>
Original
> > > > > >
>
> >
> >
> Message -----
> > > > >
> >
> > > > From:
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> "Alexandre
> >
> > > >
> > > > >
Uster von
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> > Baar
> > >
>
uster@rocketmail.com
> >
> [amelyachtowners]"
> > > > >
>
>
> > > > > Date:
Monday,
> > > June 26,
> > 2017
> 5:19 pm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > Subject: [Amel
Yacht
> Owners] Aft
>
> Cabin
> >
>
> > > > > > Air
> >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> Conditioning
> > > Tripping 220 Volt
> > > > > > > >
> > > Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> To:
> > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > >
Good
> afternoon,
>
> > > > >
> > >
>
> > >
>
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
> > > > > >
> > > Today, I hear
> >
> the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > fuse of the 220 Volt
Panel
> tripping
>
> (the
> > >
> > > > > > one
> > > >
> >
> > > > > behind
> >
> the
> > >
panel).
> >
> >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > I
> > >
> > >
> > > > found out
> >
> > the
> > >
> > >
> > > > fuse of
the
> >
> >
marina also
> > trip.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > > After running
> >
> tests,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > the cause is the
Aft
> Cabin
> >
Air
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> Conditioning
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > (which I
> > > have been
>
> >
> > > > > >
using non
> > >
> stop for 9
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > days).
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> > >
>
> > Running
>
> > > > > > > >
>
> the salon does
> > >
> not trip anything.
>
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > What could
> > > >
> > > > be the
> > >
cause?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How to
> >
> diagnostic
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > and
solve the issue?
> > >
> > > > >
>
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > Did I use too much
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> the
> air conditioning?
> > > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > How come the
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > > Diruptor
> > did not
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > trip, but the
> 220 Volt Panel did?
>
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > How come I trip the
> marina
> > fuse?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > > Thanks in
> advance.
> > >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > >
> > >
>
Sincerely,
> > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
Alexandre
> > > > > > >
>
> > > SM2K
> > #289
> > >
NIKIMAT
> > >
>
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > Port de
> >
> Gustavia,
Saint
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
Barthélémy,
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > > > FWI
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> >


Eric Freedman
 


Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Eric,

I checked the small capacitors as well as the large ones.

I am not sure what means “measure the continuity to the compressor case”.
When I plug the air conditioning: it trips the power.
If I disconnect the wires in the harness going to the compressor, then it doesn’t trip.

So by “having a bad compressor” does it means that I need a new one? Or can it be rebuilt?

According to Climate Control, they are 2 Climma Marine person in Sint Maarten, I will contact them, then likely go back there.

Thanks for the info on the Dometic 10. Will it also power the Calpeda cooling pump? Or does it required modifications…

Sincerely, Alexandre





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On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:34 PM


 









Alexandre,
I am leaving the first bridge tomorrow.
I would check the 3 small capacitors that run the
fan.
I guess you checked the 2 big ones that work with the
compressor.
 
did you measure the continuity to the compressor case
to the power leads of the compressor?
 
 
I think you have a bad compressor and bad fan
capacitors--remember there is a time delay.
If you bring a AC tech on board I think he will find
the same.  The other very obscure possibility is that the
compressor is out of gas. However that is something that we
can not do. The compressor gas is measured in ounces.
 
Fair Winds,
Eric
Sm 376
 

----- Original
Message -----
From: "Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:45 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> Good morning Eric,
>
> Since you are
leaving in a little bit, making it short:
> Here is what I did:
>

> I completely removed the unit (I will
make an illustration later
> on of the
removal process).
>
> I connected the air conditioning unit in
the cockpit to a shore
> power (this way
it won’t trip my boat all the time).
>
Here is what I find out:
>
> When I connect the harness going to the
compressor, the power
> trips right
away.
> So I disconnected the harness
going to the compressor and it did
> not
trip.
> In one of your email, you
mention if there is a short in the
>
compressor, then it is dead. Correct? Or is there other test

> to do?
>
> Also, I did another test (not connecting
the compressor harness)
> but connecting
the harness to the fan (and control), the power
> did not trip, but the fan was not turning
(even thought I was
> measuring
electricity at the fan plug).
> So looks
to me the fan is also dead…
>
> Some pictures of the above tests:
>
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh_test.html
>
> Thanks again,
sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> Date:
Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:06 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Alexandre,
> I will be at sea either this afternoon
or
> tomorrow..
>
Please reply to WB2cwd@winlink.org.
>
Fair winds,
> Eric
>

>
> -----
Original
> Message -----
> From: "Alexandre
>
Uster von
>
Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:25 am
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Good morning Bill &
> Eric,
> > Thanks
for your continuous
> support.
> > I will keep you posted of
> what I find.
> >
Sincerely, Alexandre
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > On Tue, 6/27/17,
kimberlite@optonline.net
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > wrote:
> >
> > Subject:
Re:
> [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
> > Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &
> marina
> > To:
>
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >
Date:
> Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21
PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill,
> > Cant
Hurt.
> > Eric
>
>
> > ----- Original
> > Message -----
>
> From:
> "'Bill &
> > Judy
>
Rouse'
> >
>
yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners]"
> > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:58
pm
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft
> Cabin Air
> > Conditioning Tripping 220
> Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To:
>
"amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
> >
> >
> > > Eric,
> >
>
> > > I would like to test
> > those capacitors...I think that they
might
>
> > >
charge when
> >
>
> power
> > goes to the control
unit. Of
> course his problem could be

> > >
>
anything,but I had his exact problem and
> > changing out the
> >
> > Compressor
RUN
> > Capacitor
>
> > (40uf) solved the issue.
> >
>
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >

> > >
> >
> On Tue,
> Jun 27,
> > 2017 at 3:30 PM,
>
kimberlite@optonline.net
> > >
> [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
>
>
> > > > Bill,
> > > > when the thermostat is in
the
> neutral
> >
position there is no AC
> > >
going to
> > the
>
> > > unit. Thus a bad capacitor
> > would not make any difference.
> > > >
> >
Fair
> Winds,
> >
> > Eric
> > > >
> > > >
>
-----
> > Original Message -----
> > > > From:
>
>
> "'Bill & Judy
Rouse'
> yahoogroups@svbebe.com
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > >
>
> Date:
> >
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
> >
> >
> > Subject:
> Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
> >
>
> > Tripping 220
> > >
>
> > Volt Panel
> Fuse & marina
>
> > > To:
> >
>
"amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
> > > >
> >
> >
> > I
>
> think Eric is right and I think
>
that the first thing I
> > would
> > > > > do is
> >
> > > >
replace the two capacitors I
> >
mentioned earlier.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > Best,
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > Bill Rouse
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
11:30
> AM,
> >
kimberlite@optonline.net
> > > >
>
> >
>
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > Alexandre,
> > > > > > with the switch
In
> neutral
> >
position the AC unit is off.
> I
> > > >
> >
>
> would suspect a
> > > > > >
> > short in the wiring somewhere. it
could be
> anywhere.
>
> > > > > Good
> luck,
> > > > > > Eric
> > >
> > >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > >
> ----- Original
> Message
> > -----
> >
>
> > > > From:
> > "Alexandre
>
Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
>
>
> > > >
[amelyachtowners]">
> > Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am
> >
>
> > > > >
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin
> > Air Conditioning
> > >
> > >
Tripping
> > 220
>
> > > > > Volt Panel Fuse
> > & marina
>
> >
> > > > To:
> >
>
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > > > > I run the
>
>
> forward air conditioning without
problem.
> > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > >
> > As Eric ask, I
switch on the Aft Air
> > Conditioning
with the
> >
> >
> > >
> > > switch in
> neutral position (neither cold not hot)
and
> >
> >
> right away
> > > >
> > > >
> >
the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trip
> > (as well
> >
> as
> the
> >
>
> > > >
> > > marina).
>
> > > >
> > > > What
does that tell you?
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > On Tue,
> 6/27/17,
> >
kimberlite@optonline.net
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > > > >
>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Aft
> > Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > > > >
> >
> > Tripping
220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> >
> > > > > To:
> >
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > > >
> > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 9:10
AM
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > > > > >
>
> Alexandre,
>
> > > > > >
> there is
a switch and
> > thermostat by
> each AC unit. when
>
> > >
> > > > > the
switch is in neutral
> position does
the
> > breaker still
> > > > > > > trip?
> > if not does it trip when the switch
is in
> the heat
>
> > > > > >
>
position?
> > > > > > >
To
> discharge the
>
> capacitor take a wire
> with
insulated
> > >
> > > > > > alligator clips
put
> one clip on the body
> > of the pump or
>
case
> > > > > > >
> > and the other clip to a lug of the
> capacitor.
> > >
> > > >
> Fair winds,
> > > > > > >
> Eric
> > > >
> > > -----
> Original
Message
> > -----
>
> > > > > > From:
>
> "Alexandre Uster von
> >
> > >
> > >
> > Baar uster@rocketmail.com
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
>
> >
> >
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
> 7:55
am
> > > > > > >
> Subject: Re: [Amel
>
> Yacht Owners] Aft
> Cabin Air
> > > > >
>
> > > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
> Panel Fuse &
> >
marina
> > > > > > >
To:
> >
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > Good morning
John, Mark,
> > > > > >
> >
> > Eric and
Francisco and thank you for
> > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > your replies,
> > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > Based on what
> you
> > wrote, I suspect a short and a
> dead
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > compressor…
> >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> >
> Going to test the Capacitors, but how to
> > > > > > >
“discharge
> them”
> > prior
> >
>
> > > > > > to
> > testing?
> >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > Eric, I
> did
> > not
> > >
>
> > > > really
> > understand the:
>
“if the AC switch is off
> > >
>
> > > > > at the
thermostat
> >
>
does it still trip the
> > > >
>
> >
> >
> breaker?”
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > > > > >
>
> Thanks in advance,
> > sincerely,
>
Alexandre
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
>
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > On
Mon,
> 6/26/17,
> >
kimberlite@optonline.net
> > > >
> >
> >
>
> [amelyachtowners]
> > > >
>
> >
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > > Subject:
> > Re:
> > > > > > > [Amel
Yacht
> > Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
>
> > > > > > marina
>
> > > > > > > To:
>
> > > > > >
> >
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > Date:
> >
> > >
> > > > Monday,
June 26, 2017, 9:24
> PM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> Alexandre.
> > >
> > > >
> > if the AC
switch
> > is off at the
> thermostat
> > >
> > >
> > > does it
still
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > trip
the
> breaker?
> >
> > > >
> > > > The
breaker on the AC panel side
> is a
> > > > > > > quick
> blow
> > > >
> > > >
> circuit breaker,
> > If there is
> >
> > > > > a short
> >
it will
> > > >
> > > > > trip
> > before the
> >
> > > > >
> > diruptor.
If the AC is on at the
> > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > thermostat and
the circuit still trips the
> breaker,
> > > > > > > >
> Check the
> >
continuity of the compressor
> to
> > > >
> >
>
> > > ground. If
> > > > >
>
> > > > there is a short to
>
ground
> > > > > > >
the
> compressor is
>
> dead.
> > > > > >
> > Fair
> > Winds,
> > > > >
>
> > > Eric
> > > > >
>
> > > sm 376
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> -----
Original
> > > > > >
>
> > Message -----
> > > > > >
> > > From:
> >
> > > >
> >
"Alexandre
> > > > >
> > > > Uster von
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > > > > >
>
> Baar
> >
uster@rocketmail.com
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
>
> > > > Date: Monday,
> > June 26,
> 2017
5:19 pm
> > > > > >
> > > > Subject: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft
> Cabin
>
> > > > > > Air
> >
> > > > > >
>
Conditioning
> > Tripping 220 Volt
> > > > > > >
> > Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > > >
> >
> > > To:
> > > > > >
> >
> >
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Good
afternoon,
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> > Today, I hear
>
the
> > > > > > >
> > > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel
tripping
> (the
> >
> > > > > one
> > >
> > > > > > behind
>
the
> > panel).
>
> >
> > > > > >
>
> > I
> >
> > > > > > found out
>
> the
> > > > >
> > > fuse of the
>
> marina also
> trip.
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> > After running
>
tests,
> > > > > >
> > > > the cause is the Aft
Cabin
> Air
> >
> > > > >
>
Conditioning
> > > > > >
>
> > > (which I
> > have been
> >
> > > > > using non
> >
stop for 9
> > > >
> > > > >
>
> days).
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> Running
> > > > > > > >
> the salon does
> >
not trip anything.
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > What could
> > > > > > > be the
> > cause?
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> > How to
>
diagnostic
> > > > > >
>
> > and solve the issue?
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > Did I use too much
> > > > > >
> >
> > > the
air conditioning?
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
>
> > > How come the
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > Diruptor
> did not
> > >
> > >
> > > trip, but the
220 Volt Panel did?
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > How come I trip the
marina
> fuse?
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > Thanks in
advance.
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
Sincerely,
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
Alexandre
> > > > > > >
> > SM2K
> #289
> > NIKIMAT
> >
>
> > > > > > >
> > Port de
>
Gustavia, Saint
> > > > >
>
> > > Barthélémy,
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > FWI
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
>


Eric Freedman
 


Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Bill,

I forgot to write you that I tried with new capacitors and was the same, it trips the power.

Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 6/27/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 4:57 PM


 









Eric,
I would like to test those
capacitors...I think that they might charge when power goes
to the control unit. Of course his problem could be
anything, but I had his exact problem and changing out the
Compressor RUN Capacitor (40uf) solved the
issue.
Bill


On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
3:30 PM, kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Bill,
when the thermostat is in the neutral position there is
no AC going to the unit. Thus a bad capacitor would not make
any difference.
Fair Winds,
Eric

----- Original Message
-----
From: "'Bill & Judy
Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [
amelyachtowners]"
Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com"

> I
think Eric is right and I think that the first thing I would

> do is
> replace the
two capacitors I mentioned earlier.
>
> Best,
>
> Bill Rouse
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, kimberlite@optonline.net
>
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Alexandre,
> >
with the switch In neutral position the AC unit is off. I

> would suspect a
>
> short in the wiring somewhere. it could be anywhere.
> > Good luck,
> >
Eric
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alexandre Uster von
Baar uster@rocketmail.com 
> [amelyachtowners]"> Date: Tuesday,
June 27, 2017 11:25 am
> > Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220
> >
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> >
> >
> I run the forward air conditioning without problem.
> > >
> > >
As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air Conditioning with
the
> > > switch in neutral
position (neither cold not hot) and right away
> > > the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI)
breaker trip (as well as the
> > >
marina).
> > > What does that tell
you?
> > >
>
> >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
--------------
> > > On Tue,
6/27/17, kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners]
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
> > > Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > >
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> > > Date: Tuesday, June
27, 2017, 9:10 AM
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
Alexandre,
> > > there is a switch
and thermostat by each AC unit. when
>
> > the switch is in neutral position does the breaker
still
> > > trip? if not does it
trip when the switch is in the heat
>
> > position?
> > > To
discharge the capacitor take a wire with insulated
> > > alligator clips put one clip on
the body of the pump or case
> > >
and the other clip to a lug of the capacitor.
> > > Fair winds,
>
> > Eric
> > > ----- Original
Message -----
> > > From:
"Alexandre Uster von
> > >
Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:55 am
> >
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
> > > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse & marina
> > > To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> > >
>
> > > Good morning John, Mark,
>
> > Eric and Francisco and thank you for
> > > >
> >
> your replies,
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a
dead
> > > > compressor…
> > > >
> >
> > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to
> > > “discharge them” prior
> > > > to testing?
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > Eric, I did not
> > > really understand the: “if the
AC switch is off
> > > > at the
thermostat does it still trip the
> >
> breaker?”
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
> > > >
> >
>
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > >
------------------------------ --------------
> > > > On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@optonline.net
> > > [amelyachtowners]
> > > > wrote:
>
> > >
> > > > Subject:
Re:
> > > [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > >
Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
> >
> marina
> > > > To:
> > > amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> > > > Date:
> > > Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24
PM
> > > >
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Alexandre.
> > > > if the AC switch is off at
the thermostat
> > > does it
still
> > > > trip the
breaker?
> > > > The breaker on
the AC panel side is a
> > > quick
blow
> > > > circuit breaker, If
there is
> > > a short it will
> > > > trip before the
> > > diruptor. If the AC is on at
the
> > > >
>
> > thermostat and the circuit still trips the
breaker,
> > > > Check the
continuity of the compressor to
> >
> ground. If
> > > > there is
a short to ground
> > > the
compressor is dead.
> > > > Fair
Winds,
> > > > Eric
> > > > sm 376
>
> > >
> > > > -----
Original
> > > > Message
-----
> > > > From:
> > > "Alexandre
> > > > Uster von
> > > >
> >
> Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
>
> > > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
> > > Air
> >
> > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
> > > Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > To:
>
> > amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com
> > > >
> > > > > Good afternoon,
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > > Today, I
hear the
> > > > fuse of the 220
Volt Panel tripping (the
> > >
one
> > > > > behind the
panel).
> > > > > I
> > > > found out the
> > > fuse of the marina also trip.
> > > > >
>
> > > > After running tests,
> > > > the cause is the Aft Cabin
Air
> > > Conditioning
> > > > > (which I have been
> > > using non stop for 9
> > > > days).
>
> > > >
> > > > >
Running
> > > > the salon does
not trip anything.
> > > >
>
> > > > > What could
> > > be the cause?
> > > > > How to diagnostic
> > > and solve the issue?
> > > > >
>
> > > > Did I use too much
>
> > > the air conditioning?
>
> > >
> > > > How come
the
> > > > Diruptor did not
> > > trip, but the 220 Volt Panel
did?
> > > > >
> > > How come I trip the marina
fuse?
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> >
> Alexandre
> > > > > SM2K
#289 NIKIMAT
> > > > > Port
de Gustavia, Saint
> > >
Barthélémy,
> > > > FWI
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
> >
>
>
> >
>

































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Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Eric,

Since you are leaving in a little bit, making it short:
Here is what I did:

I completely removed the unit (I will make an illustration later on of the removal process).

I connected the air conditioning unit in the cockpit to a shore power (this way it won’t trip my boat all the time).
Here is what I find out:

When I connect the harness going to the compressor, the power trips right away.
So I disconnected the harness going to the compressor and it did not trip.
In one of your email, you mention if there is a short in the compressor, then it is dead. Correct? Or is there other test to do?

Also, I did another test (not connecting the compressor harness) but connecting the harness to the fan (and control), the power did not trip, but the fan was not turning (even thought I was measuring electricity at the fan plug).
So looks to me the fan is also dead…

Some pictures of the above tests:
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh_test.html

Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:06 AM


 









Hi Alexandre,
I will be at sea either this afternoon or
tomorrow..
Please reply to WB2cwd@winlink.org.
Fair winds,
Eric


----- Original
Message -----
From: "Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:25 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> Good morning Bill &
Eric,
> Thanks for your continuous
support.
> I will keep you posted of
what I find.
> Sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 6/27/17, kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill,
> Cant Hurt.
> Eric
>
> ----- Original
> Message -----
> From:
"'Bill &
> Judy
Rouse'
>
yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To:
"amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
>
>
> > Eric,
> >
> > I would like to test
> those capacitors...I think that they might

> > charge when
>
> power
> goes to the control unit. Of
course his problem could be
> >
anything,but I had his exact problem and
> changing out the
>
> Compressor RUN
> Capacitor
> > (40uf) solved the issue.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue,
Jun 27,
> 2017 at 3:30 PM,
kimberlite@optonline.net
> >
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
>
> > > Bill,
> > > when the thermostat is in the
neutral
> position there is no AC
> > going to
> the
> > > unit. Thus a bad capacitor
> would not make any difference.
> > >
> Fair
Winds,
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
-----
> Original Message -----
> > > From:
>
"'Bill & Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@svbebe.com
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > >
Date:
> Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
> > >
> Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
>
> > Tripping 220
> > >
> Volt Panel
Fuse & marina
> > > To:
>
"amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
> > >
> > >
> I
> think Eric is right and I think
that the first thing I
> would
> > > > do is
>
> > > replace the two capacitors I
> mentioned earlier.
>
> > >
> > > > Best,
> > >
> >
> > > > Bill Rouse
> > > >
> >
> >
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:30
AM,
> kimberlite@optonline.net
> > > >
>
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
> > > > > Alexandre,
> > > > > with the switch In
neutral
> position the AC unit is off.
I
> > >
> >
would suspect a
> > > > >
> short in the wiring somewhere. it could be
anywhere.
> > > > > Good
luck,
> > > > > Eric
> >
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original
Message
> -----
> >
> > > From:
> "Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
>
> > > [amelyachtowners]">
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am
> >
> > > >
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
> Air Conditioning
> >
> > Tripping
> 220
> > > > > Volt Panel Fuse
> & marina
> >
> > > To:
>
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > I run the
>
forward air conditioning without problem.
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air
> Conditioning with the
>
> > > >
> > switch in
neutral position (neither cold not hot) and
>
> > right away
> > >
> > >
> the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trip
> (as well
> > as
the
> >
> > >
> > marina).
> > > >
> > > What does that tell you?
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > On Tue,
6/27/17,
> kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners]
> > > > >
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
> Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > > >
>
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > > > To:
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 9:10 AM
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
Alexandre,
> > > > > >
there is a switch and
> thermostat by
each AC unit. when
> > >
> > > > the switch is in neutral
position does the
> breaker still
> > > > > > trip?
> if not does it trip when the switch is in
the heat
> > > > > >
position?
> > > > > > To
discharge the
> capacitor take a wire
with insulated
> >
> > > > > alligator clips put
one clip on the body
> of the pump or
case
> > > > > >
> and the other clip to a lug of the
capacitor.
> > > > > >
Fair winds,
> > > > > >
Eric
> > > > > > -----
Original Message
> -----
> > > > > > From:
> "Alexandre Uster von
> > > >
> >
> Baar uster@rocketmail.com
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
>
> > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
7:55 am
> > > > > >
Subject: Re: [Amel
> Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> > > >
> > > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &
> marina
> > > > > > To:
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> Good morning John, Mark,
> > > > >
>
> Eric and Francisco and thank you for
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > your replies,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Based on what
you
> wrote, I suspect a short and a
dead
> >
> >
> > > > compressor…
>
>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to
> > > > > > “discharge
them”
> prior
> >
> > > > > to
> testing?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eric, I
did
> not
> > >
> > > really
> understand the:
“if the AC switch is off
> > >
> > > > at the thermostat
>
does it still trip the
> > > >
>
> > breaker?”
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
Thanks in advance,
> sincerely,
Alexandre
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > On Mon,
6/26/17,
> kimberlite@optonline.net
> > > > >
>
> [amelyachtowners]
> > > >
>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > Subject:
> Re:
> > > > > > [Amel Yacht
> Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> > >
> > >
> > Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
> > > > > > marina
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > >
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > Date:
> > > >
> > > Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24
PM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
Alexandre.
> > > > > >
> if the AC switch
> is off at the
thermostat
> > > > >
> > does it still
>
> > > > >
> > trip the
breaker?
> > > > >
> > > The breaker on the AC panel side
is a
> > > > > > quick
blow
> > > > > > >
circuit breaker,
> If there is
> > > > > > a short
> it will
> > >
> > > > trip
> before the
> > > > > >
> diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> thermostat and the circuit still trips the
breaker,
> > > > > > >
Check the
> continuity of the compressor
to
> > >
> >
> > ground. If
> > > >
> > > > there is a short to
ground
> > > > > > the
compressor is
> dead.
> > > > > > > Fair
> Winds,
> > > >
> > > Eric
> > > > >
> > sm 376
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
----- Original
> > > > > >
> Message -----
> > > > >
> > From:
> > > > >
> "Alexandre
> > > >
> > > Uster von
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
Baar
> uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
> > > Date: Monday,
> June 26,
2017 5:19 pm
> > > > >
> > > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin
> > > > > > Air
> > > > > > >
Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt
> > > > > >
> Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > >
>
> > To:
> > > > >
>
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> > > Good afternoon,
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> Today, I hear
the
> > > > > >
> > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping
(the
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > behind
the
> panel).
> >
> > > > > >
> I
> > > > > > > found out
> the
> > > >
> > fuse of the
> marina also
trip.
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> After running
tests,
> > > > >
> > > the cause is the Aft Cabin
Air
> > > > > >
Conditioning
> > > > > >
> > (which I
> have been
> > > > > > using non
> stop for 9
> > >
> > > >
> days).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
Running
> > > > > > >
the salon does
> not trip anything.
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> What could
> > > > > > be the
> cause?
> > > >
> > > >
> How to
diagnostic
> > > > > >
> and solve the issue?
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > Did I use too much
> > > > >
>
> > the air conditioning?
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > How come the
>
> > > > >
> > Diruptor
did not
> > > > >
> > trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > How come I trip the marina
fuse?
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> Sincerely,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > > > > SM2K
#289
> NIKIMAT
> >
> > > > > >
> Port de
Gustavia, Saint
> > > > >
> > Barthélémy,
>
> > > > >
> > FWI
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >


Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Eric,

My email is: uster@rocketmail.com

going to write something in a few minutes

Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:11 AM


 









Hi Alexandre,
Please send your email address to Kimberlite@optonline.net.
I need to send you an email to you before the system
will allow you to send me emails to me.
I do not have your address on this computer.
Fair Winds,
eric

----- Original
Message -----
From: "Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:25 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> Good morning Bill &
Eric,
> Thanks for your continuous
support.
> I will keep you posted of
what I find.
> Sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 6/27/17, kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill,
> Cant Hurt.
> Eric
>
> ----- Original
> Message -----
> From:
"'Bill &
> Judy
Rouse'
>
yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To:
"amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
>
>
> > Eric,
> >
> > I would like to test
> those capacitors...I think that they might

> > charge when
>
> power
> goes to the control unit. Of
course his problem could be
> >
anything,but I had his exact problem and
> changing out the
>
> Compressor RUN
> Capacitor
> > (40uf) solved the issue.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue,
Jun 27,
> 2017 at 3:30 PM,
kimberlite@optonline.net
> >
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
>
> > > Bill,
> > > when the thermostat is in the
neutral
> position there is no AC
> > going to
> the
> > > unit. Thus a bad capacitor
> would not make any difference.
> > >
> Fair
Winds,
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
-----
> Original Message -----
> > > From:
>
"'Bill & Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@svbebe.com
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > >
Date:
> Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
> > >
> Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
>
> > Tripping 220
> > >
> Volt Panel
Fuse & marina
> > > To:
>
"amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
> > >
> > >
> I
> think Eric is right and I think
that the first thing I
> would
> > > > do is
>
> > > replace the two capacitors I
> mentioned earlier.
>
> > >
> > > > Best,
> > >
> >
> > > > Bill Rouse
> > > >
> >
> >
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:30
AM,
> kimberlite@optonline.net
> > > >
>
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
> > > > > Alexandre,
> > > > > with the switch In
neutral
> position the AC unit is off.
I
> > >
> >
would suspect a
> > > > >
> short in the wiring somewhere. it could be
anywhere.
> > > > > Good
luck,
> > > > > Eric
> >
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original
Message
> -----
> >
> > > From:
> "Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
>
> > > [amelyachtowners]">
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am
> >
> > > >
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin
> Air Conditioning
> >
> > Tripping
> 220
> > > > > Volt Panel Fuse
> & marina
> >
> > > To:
>
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > I run the
>
forward air conditioning without problem.
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> As Eric ask, I switch on the Aft Air
> Conditioning with the
>
> > > >
> > switch in
neutral position (neither cold not hot) and
>
> > right away
> > >
> > >
> the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trip
> (as well
> > as
the
> >
> > >
> > marina).
> > > >
> > > What does that tell you?
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > On Tue,
6/27/17,
> kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners]
> > > > >
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
> Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > > >
>
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > > > To:
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 9:10 AM
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
Alexandre,
> > > > > >
there is a switch and
> thermostat by
each AC unit. when
> > >
> > > > the switch is in neutral
position does the
> breaker still
> > > > > > trip?
> if not does it trip when the switch is in
the heat
> > > > > >
position?
> > > > > > To
discharge the
> capacitor take a wire
with insulated
> >
> > > > > alligator clips put
one clip on the body
> of the pump or
case
> > > > > >
> and the other clip to a lug of the
capacitor.
> > > > > >
Fair winds,
> > > > > >
Eric
> > > > > > -----
Original Message
> -----
> > > > > > From:
> "Alexandre Uster von
> > > >
> >
> Baar uster@rocketmail.com
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
>
> > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
7:55 am
> > > > > >
Subject: Re: [Amel
> Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> > > >
> > > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &
> marina
> > > > > > To:
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> Good morning John, Mark,
> > > > >
>
> Eric and Francisco and thank you for
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > your replies,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Based on what
you
> wrote, I suspect a short and a
dead
> >
> >
> > > > compressor…
>
>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to
> > > > > > “discharge
them”
> prior
> >
> > > > > to
> testing?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eric, I
did
> not
> > >
> > > really
> understand the:
“if the AC switch is off
> > >
> > > > at the thermostat
>
does it still trip the
> > > >
>
> > breaker?”
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
Thanks in advance,
> sincerely,
Alexandre
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > On Mon,
6/26/17,
> kimberlite@optonline.net
> > > > >
>
> [amelyachtowners]
> > > >
>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > Subject:
> Re:
> > > > > > [Amel Yacht
> Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> > >
> > >
> > Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
> > > > > > marina
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > >
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > Date:
> > > >
> > > Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24
PM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
Alexandre.
> > > > > >
> if the AC switch
> is off at the
thermostat
> > > > >
> > does it still
>
> > > > >
> > trip the
breaker?
> > > > >
> > > The breaker on the AC panel side
is a
> > > > > > quick
blow
> > > > > > >
circuit breaker,
> If there is
> > > > > > a short
> it will
> > >
> > > > trip
> before the
> > > > > >
> diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> thermostat and the circuit still trips the
breaker,
> > > > > > >
Check the
> continuity of the compressor
to
> > >
> >
> > ground. If
> > > >
> > > > there is a short to
ground
> > > > > > the
compressor is
> dead.
> > > > > > > Fair
> Winds,
> > > >
> > > Eric
> > > > >
> > sm 376
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
----- Original
> > > > > >
> Message -----
> > > > >
> > From:
> > > > >
> "Alexandre
> > > >
> > > Uster von
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
Baar
> uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
> > > Date: Monday,
> June 26,
2017 5:19 pm
> > > > >
> > > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin
> > > > > > Air
> > > > > > >
Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt
> > > > > >
> Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > >
>
> > To:
> > > > >
>
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> > > Good afternoon,
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> Today, I hear
the
> > > > > >
> > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping
(the
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > behind
the
> panel).
> >
> > > > > >
> I
> > > > > > > found out
> the
> > > >
> > fuse of the
> marina also
trip.
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> After running
tests,
> > > > >
> > > the cause is the Aft Cabin
Air
> > > > > >
Conditioning
> > > > > >
> > (which I
> have been
> > > > > > using non
> stop for 9
> > >
> > > >
> days).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
Running
> > > > > > >
the salon does
> not trip anything.
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> What could
> > > > > > be the
> cause?
> > > >
> > > >
> How to
diagnostic
> > > > > >
> and solve the issue?
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > Did I use too much
> > > > >
>
> > the air conditioning?
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > How come the
>
> > > > >
> > Diruptor
did not
> > > > >
> > trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > How come I trip the marina
fuse?
> > > > > > >
>
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> Sincerely,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > > > > SM2K
#289
> NIKIMAT
> >
> > > > > >
> Port de
Gustavia, Saint
> > > > >
> > Barthélémy,
>
> > > > >
> > FWI
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >


Eric Freedman
 


Eric Freedman