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[Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

My guess in order of probability:
1.) The oil pressure sender needs cleaning and/or replacing, or has a loose or worn wire. 
2.) There is a problem with the computer
3.) The oil pump needs to be replaced
4.) Main bearings worn

I am betting it is number 1. 

BTW, I don't believe that this applies to you, but there is a known issue with a Yanmar that causes an indication of low pressure...there is a "T" that the oil pressure sender screws into. This "T" is known to get clogged and cause low pressure. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Jul 1, 2017 03:33, "mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi everyone;


We left Kythera this morning to head to Crete. About 15 minutes out of Kythera we had sufficient wind so we backed out the engine RPMs from about 1500 to Idle to shut off the engine. We immediately got a low oil pressure warning and a message to shut down the engine. Having had check engine faults before that per the suggestions in the manual  would go away after turning the engine off and then back on again, we tried this with the low oil pressure warning. We got the same warning again. So we shut down the engine and sailed back to our anchorage that we had just left and dropped anchor again. After waiting about 10 more minutes and having reviewed the Volvo manual, we turned the engine on again. We did not have the warning. We then placed the engine in reverse and reved up to 1400 RPMs 4 separate times for about 30 seconds, as if we were setting the anchor. The issue did not reappear.


We decide d to head out, having good favorable winds. We sailed for about 1 hour before the wind started to die down and we started the engine and started motor sailing. After 30 minutes the wind came back up again so we decided to turn off the engine. When we lowered the RPMs to idle, the low pressure warning light came on again. So we have shutoff the engine and are now sailing with about 7 hours left to Crete. The forecast is for the wind to die down when we get close to,our harbor and we will probably need to motor sail the last couple of hours.


I checked the engine oil before we started me again after we received the warning. The oil and oil filter were changed about 1 month ago with genuine Volvo parts about a month ago. I have not looked through the manuals or done any research yet, since I wanted to,get this post out before we lost connection. If any one knows the location of the oil pressure sensor, I'd appreciate the info since it may just be a loose electrical connection. All ideas and suggestions would be appreciated.


Mohammad & Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks bill. We are approaching Chania in Crete. We have been motor sailing for the past almost 4 hours and no issues at cruising RPMS. (1350 -1500). I have located the oil pressure sensor but cannot get to it with the engine running. Once we dock I can get into it more. I agree with your assessment and the likely issue being item #1.

In my search online it appears that other Volvo Penta owners have experienced this and some have dealt with it by lowering the RPMs slowly.  We'll try this once close in to see if this makes any difference. Do you know if there is a governor/limiter that adjust to the oil pressure to ensure proper flow at all RPMs?

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
323-633-2222 Cell
310-454-3148 Fax

On Jul 1, 2017, at 3:41 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My guess in order of probability:
1.) The oil pressure sender needs cleaning and/or replacing, or has a loose or worn wire. 
2.) There is a problem with the computer
3.) The oil pump needs to be replaced
4.) Main bearings worn

I am betting it is number 1. 

BTW, I don't believe that this applies to you, but there is a known issue with a Yanmar that causes an indication of low pressure...there is a "T" that the oil pressure sender screws into. This "T" is known to get clogged and cause low pressure. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Jul 1, 2017 03:33, "mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi everyone;


We left Kythera this morning to head to Crete. About 15 minutes out of Kythera we had sufficient wind so we backed out the engine RPMs from about 1500 to Idle to shut off the engine. We immediately got a low oil pressure warning and a message to shut down the engine. Having had check engine faults before that per the suggestions in the manual  would go away after turning the engine off and then back on again, we tried this with the low oil pressure warning. We got the same warning again. So we shut down the engine and sailed back to our anchorage that we had just left and dropped anchor again. After waiting about 10 more minutes and having reviewed the Volvo manual, we turned the engine on again. We did not have the warning. We then placed the engine in reverse and reved up to 1400 RPMs 4 separate times for about 30 seconds, as if we were setting the anchor. The issue did not reappear.


We decide d to head out, having good favorable winds. We sailed for about 1 hour before the wind started to die down and we started the engine and started motor sailing. After 30 minutes the wind came back up again so we decided to turn off the engine. When we lowered the RPMs to idle, the low pressure warning light came on again. So we have shutoff the engine and are now sailing with about 7 hours left to Crete. The forecast is for the wind to die down when we get close to,our harbor and we will probably need to motor sail the last couple of hours.


I checked the engine oil before we started me again after we received the warning. The oil and oil filter were changed about 1 month ago with genuine Volvo parts about a month ago. I have not looked through the manuals or done any research yet, since I wanted to,get this post out before we lost connection. If any one knows the location of the oil pressure sensor, I'd appreciate the info since it may just be a loose electrical connection. All ideas and suggestions would be appreciated.


Mohammad & Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I do not believe the D3-110 has any adjustment for oil pressure. It does have a "safety valve," but I am not sure of that valve's function.

I would eliminate #1 before investigating others.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 8:07 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks bill. We are approaching Chania in Crete. We have been motor sailing for the past almost 4 hours and no issues at cruising RPMS. (1350 -1500). I have located the oil pressure sensor but cannot get to it with the engine running. Once we dock I can get into it more. I agree with your assessment and the likely issue being item #1.

In my search online it appears that other Volvo Penta owners have experienced this and some have dealt with it by lowering the RPMs slowly.  We'll try this once close in to see if this makes any difference. Do you know if there is a governor/limiter that adjust to the oil pressure to ensure proper flow at all RPMs?

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo

On Jul 1, 2017, at 3:41 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@s vbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

My guess in order of probability:
1.) The oil pressure sender needs cleaning and/or replacing, or has a loose or worn wire. 
2.) There is a problem with the computer
3.) The oil pump needs to be replaced
4.) Main bearings worn

I am betting it is number 1. 

BTW, I don't believe that this applies to you, but there is a known issue with a Yanmar that causes an indication of low pressure...there is a "T" that the oil pressure sender screws into. This "T" is known to get clogged and cause low pressure. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   
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On Jul 1, 2017 03:33, "mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi everyone;


We left Kythera this morning to head to Crete. About 15 minutes out of Kythera we had sufficient wind so we backed out the engine RPMs from about 1500 to Idle to shut off the engine. We immediately got a low oil pressure warning and a message to shut down the engine. Having had check engine faults before that per the suggestions in the manual  would go away after turning the engine off and then back on again, we tried this with the low oil pressure warning. We got the same warning again. So we shut down the engine and sailed back to our anchorage that we had just left and dropped anchor again. After waiting about 10 more minutes and having reviewed the Volvo manual, we turned the engine on again. We did not have the warning. We then placed the engine in reverse and reved up to 1400 RPMs 4 separate times for about 30 seconds, as if we were setting the anchor. The issue did not reappear.


We de cide d to head out, having good favorable winds. We sailed for about 1 hour before the wind started to die down and we started the engine and started motor sailing. After 30 minutes the wind came back up again so we decided to turn off the engine. When we lowered the RPMs to idle, the low pressure warning light came on again. So we have shutoff the engine and are now sailing with about 7 hours left to Crete. The forecast is for the wind to die down when we get close to,our harbor and we will probably need to motor sail the last couple of hours.


I checked the engine oil before we started me again after we received the warning. The oil and oil filter were changed about 1 month ago with genuine Volvo parts about a month ago. I have not looked through the manuals or done any research yet, since I wanted to,get this post out before we lost connection. If any one knows the location of the oil pressure sensor, I'd appreciate the info since it may just be a loose electrical connection. All ideas and suggestions would be appreciated.


Mohammad & Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099


James Alton
 

Bill,
  As far as I know, all engines with pressurized oil systems also have a pressure relief valve which bypasses the excess oil at a preset pressure.  I can tell you that if the valve gets stuck closed that it can really make a mess when the oil filter blows off. (Grin)   In the case of being unsure of an electronic oil pressure reading, I like to connect a mechanical gauge to help eliminate the guessing. 
Best,

James
SV Sueno, Maramu #220


Sent from Samsung Mobile



-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 07-01-2017 1:54 PM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning


 

I do not believe the D3-110 has any adjustment for oil pressure. It does have a "safety valve," but I am not sure of that valve's function.

I would eliminate #1 before investigating others.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 8:07 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks bill. We are approaching Chania in Crete. We have been motor sailing for the past almost 4 hours and no issues at cruising RPMS. (1350 -1500). I have located the oil pressure sensor but cannot get to it with the engine running. Once we dock I can get into it more. I agree with your assessment and the likely issue being item #1.

In my search online it appears that other Volvo Penta owners have experienced this and some have dealt with it by lowering the RPMs slowly.  We'll try this once close in to see if this makes any difference. Do you know if there is a governor/limiter that adjust to the oil pressure to ensure proper flow at all RPMs?

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo

On Jul 1, 2017, at 3:41 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@s vbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

My guess in order of probability:
1.) The oil pressure sender needs cleaning and/or replacing, or has a loose or worn wire. 
2.) There is a problem with the computer
3.) The oil pump needs to be replaced
4.) Main bearings worn

I am betting it is number 1. 

BTW, I don't believe that this applies to you, but there is a known issue with a Yanmar that causes an indication of low pressure...there is a "T" that the oil pressure sender screws into. This "T" is known to get clogged and cause low pressure. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   
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On Jul 1, 2017 03:33, "mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi everyone;


We left Kythera this morning to head to Crete. About 15 minutes out of Kythera we had sufficient wind so we backed out the engine RPMs from about 1500 to Idle to shut off the engine. We immediately got a low oil pressure warning and a message to shut down the engine. Having had check engine faults before that per the suggestions in the manual  would go away after turning the engine off and then back on again, we tried this with the low oil pressure warning. We got the same warning again. So we shut down the engine and sailed back to our anchorage that we had just left and dropped anchor again. After waiting about 10 more minutes and having reviewed the Volvo manual, we turned the engine on again. We did not have the warning. We then placed the engine in reverse and reved up to 1400 RPMs 4 separate times for about 30 seconds, as if we were setting the anchor. The issue did not reappear.


We de cide d to head out, having good favorable winds. We sailed for about 1 hour before the wind started to die down and we started the engine and started motor sailing. After 30 minutes the wind came back up again so we decided to turn off the engine. When we lowered the RPMs to idle, the low pressure warning light came on again. So we have shutoff the engine and are now sailing with about 7 hours left to Crete. The forecast is for the wind to die down when we get close to,our harbor and we will probably need to motor sail the last couple of hours.


I checked the engine oil before we started me again after we received the warning. The oil and oil filter were changed about 1 month ago with genuine Volvo parts about a month ago. I have not looked through the manuals or done any research yet, since I wanted to,get this post out before we lost connection. If any one knows the location of the oil pressure sensor, I'd appreciate the info since it may just be a loose electrical connection. All ideas and suggestions would be appreciated.


Mohammad & Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099


greatketch@...
 

And if that relief valve fails to close all the way due to a bit of debris or a weak spring it can lead to low oil pressure, especially at low rpm. 

The oil pumps on most all engines will produce way more flow and pressure at higher RPM then the engine needs. When it rises above specification, the relief valve opens and keeps it steady.  That is why you typically see oil pressure build as the rpm rises, but only to a point.  Once the valve begins to open, it stays pretty constant after that as the RPM rises.

On my TMD22 at idle oil pressure is about 20psi.  By the time you get to 1500rpm it reaches 55psi and then rises no higher all the way to full speed.  That is the result of the oil pressure relief valve opening.

I do agree with Bill R. that checking the sender is the place to start.  Making sure the problem is real before tearing into the guts of the engine is a very good idea.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Edgartown, Martha's Vineyard.


---In amelyachtowners@..., <lokiyawl2@...> wrote :

Bill,
  As far as I know, all engines with pressurized oil systems also have a pressure relief valve which bypasses the excess oil at a preset pressure.  I can tell you that if the valve gets stuck closed that it can really make a mess when the oil filter blows off. (Grin)   In the case of being unsure of an electronic oil pressure reading, I like to connect a mechanical gauge to help eliminate the guessing. 
Best,

James
SV Sueno, Maramu #220


Sent from Samsung Mobile



-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 07-01-2017 1:54 PM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning


 

I do not believe the D3-110 has any adjustment for oil pressure. It does have a "safety valve," but I am not sure of that valve's function.

I would eliminate #1 before investigating others.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks every one for the replies.

After about 5 hours of motor sailing we lowered the RPM slowly and did not get a low pressure warning.

It's been over 100 degrees and zero wind in chania so still have not gone into the engine room to check the sensor.

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
323-633-2222 Cell
310-454-3148 Fax

On Jul 1, 2017, at 8:17 PM, Lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,
  As far as I know, all engines with pressurized oil systems also have a pressure relief valve which bypasses the excess oil at a preset pressure.  I can tell you that if the valve gets stuck closed that it can really make a mess when the oil filter blows off. (Grin)   In the case of being unsure of an electronic oil pressure reading, I like to connect a mechanical gauge to help eliminate the guessing. 
Best,

James
SV Sueno, Maramu #220


Sent from Samsung Mobile



-------- Original message --------
From: "'Bill Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 07-01-2017 1:54 PM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning


 

I do not believe the D3-110 has any adjustment for oil pressure. It does have a "safety valve," but I am not sure of that valve's function.

I would eliminate #1 before investigating others.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 8:07 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks bill. We are approaching Chania in Crete. We have been motor sailing for the past almost 4 hours and no issues at cruising RPMS. (1350 -1500). I have located the oil pressure sensor but cannot get to it with the engine running. Once we dock I can get into it more. I agree with your assessment and the likely issue being item #1.

In my search online it appears that other Volvo Penta owners have experienced this and some have dealt with it by lowering the RPMs slowly.  We'll try this once close in to see if this makes any difference. Do you know if there is a governor/limiter that adjust to the oil pressure to ensure proper flow at all RPMs?

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo

On Jul 1, 2017, at 3:41 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@s vbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

My guess in order of probability:
1.) The oil pressure sender needs cleaning and/or replacing, or has a loose or worn wire. 
2.) There is a problem with the computer
3.) The oil pump needs to be replaced
4.) Main bearings worn

I am betting it is number 1. 

BTW, I don't believe that this applies to you, but there is a known issue with a Yanmar that causes an indication of low pressure...there is a "T" that the oil pressure sender screws into. This "T" is known to get clogged and cause low pressure. 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   
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On Jul 1, 2017 03:33, "mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi everyone;


We left Kythera this morning to head to Crete. About 15 minutes out of Kythera we had sufficient wind so we backed out the engine RPMs from about 1500 to Idle to shut off the engine. We immediately got a low oil pressure warning and a message to shut down the engine. Having had check engine faults before that per the suggestions in the manual  would go away after turning the engine off and then back on again, we tried this with the low oil pressure warning. We got the same warning again. So we shut down the engine and sailed back to our anchorage that we had just left and dropped anchor again. After waiting about 10 more minutes and having reviewed the Volvo manual, we turned the engine on again. We did not have the warning. We then placed the engine in reverse and reved up to 1400 RPMs 4 separate times for about 30 seconds, as if we were setting the anchor. The issue did not reappear.


We de cide d to head out, having good favorable winds. We sailed for about 1 hour before the wind started to die down and we started the engine and started motor sailing. After 30 minutes the wind came back up again so we decided to turn off the engine. When we lowered the RPMs to idle, the low pressure warning light came on again. So we have shutoff the engine and are now sailing with about 7 hours left to Crete. The forecast is for the wind to die down when we get close to,our harbor and we will probably need to motor sail the last couple of hours.


I checked the engine oil before we started me again after we received the warning. The oil and oil filter were changed about 1 month ago with genuine Volvo parts about a month ago. I have not looked through the manuals or done any research yet, since I wanted to,get this post out before we lost connection. If any one knows the location of the oil pressure sensor, I'd appreciate the info since it may just be a loose electrical connection. All ideas and suggestions would be appreciated.


Mohammad & Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099