[Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC Capacitors


eric freedman
 

Hi,

I just use a 35 dollar capacitor tester about every 6 months on every capacitor on Kimberlite. I always find a few that are low or too low to be operational.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 10:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC Capacitors

 

 

Sorry group to pile onto this topic however, this evening I found the forward stateroom filled with smoke.  After examination of the AC unit, one of the fan capacitors had a big hole in it.  I also located, what I believe are, the two start capacitors inside the control box.  Is it a safe assumption that all three AC units use the same 5 capacitors (3 fan and 2 start)?  My thought is to replace all the capacitors on all three AC units and put these on some kind of maintenance schedule.  Any feedback on whether this is a good idea?  If so, how often should they be switched out?

 

Any input is appreciated. 

 

Thank you.

SV Trillium

SM215

Brunswick, GA


greatketch@...
 

Can anybody explain how I have gone my entire life working around household, industrial and marine equipment, and never replaced a capacitor on a motor, yet it seems to be a routine failure we talk about here?  Am I just lucky?  Or is there something going on?  Now to be fair, very few of the electric motors I have used around boats have been AC motors, so it might just be a sample too small to give useful data.

Is there something special about the electrical supply characteristics or the general environment on board that is causing this?  Maybe salt air getting into the capacitor and shorting out the plates?

For what it is worth, I haven't had a failure of a capacitor on Harmonie--yet. (I am sure just that just jinxed at least one of them!)  On the other had, we hardly ever use any of our AC motors, so it might just be a usage factor.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass


eric freedman
 

Hi Bill,

Remember the our boats are meant to work at 50 Hz we often plug into 60 Hz.

The motors run faster and the capacitors definitely do not like 60 Hz.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 12:34 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC Capacitors

 

 

Can anybody explain how I have gone my entire life working around household, industrial and marine equipment, and never replaced a capacitor on a motor, yet it seems to be a routine failure we talk about here?  Am I just lucky?  Or is there something going on?  Now to be fair, very few of the electric motors I have used around boats have been AC motors, so it might just be a sample too small to give useful data.

 

Is there something special about the electrical supply characteristics or the general environment on board that is causing this?  Maybe salt air getting into the capacitor and shorting out the plates?

 

For what it is worth, I haven't had a failure of a capacitor on Harmonie--yet. (I am sure just that just jinxed at least one of them!)  On the other had, we hardly ever use any of our AC motors, so it might just be a usage factor.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Boston, Mass


Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Bill,

It may be just the numbers. For instance a SM2k has about 20 capacitors that will completely fail within 10-20 years, and all of them will begin to get out of spec in a few years. A start capacitor may work for years while out of spec. The Climma fan speed capacitors are critical because sufficient fan speed is necessary to keep the high temperature interrupt switch from opening...and, of course sufficient fan speed is required to sufficiently cool. 

I think that the majority of SM owners in this forum have 10-25 year-old Climma AC units and every one of those capacitors is at end-to-end. That age statistic is amazing for a marine AC, considering most home ACs don't last 20 years...and most home AC units will have a capacitor failure in their lifetime. 

So, I think it is the numbers. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Jul 14, 2017 11:34, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Can anybody explain how I have gone my entire life working around household, industrial and marine equipment, and never replaced a capacitor on a motor, yet it seems to be a routine failure we talk about here?  Am I just lucky?  Or is there something going on?  Now to be fair, very few of the electric motors I have used around boats have been AC motors, so it might just be a sample too small to give useful data.


Is there something special about the electrical supply characteristics or the general environment on board that is causing this?  Maybe salt air getting into the capacitor and shorting out the plates?

For what it is worth, I haven't had a failure of a capacitor on Harmonie--yet. (I am sure just that just jinxed at least one of them!)  On the other had, we hardly ever use any of our AC motors, so it might just be a usage factor.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harm onie
Boston, Mass


Philippe Morel
 

About Climma capacitors , we are in Colombia with a AC  failure  . Specialist that come , explore unit and test capacitors , nothing but after extraction of  compessor oil ( 50 g in the cooling gaz circuit ) , all remain well , even if the compressor seem low in cooling capabilities , mainly due to internal loss of proof between gaz / oil .
On our Climma compact 9 , electrical specs are : 220 v + or - 10 % , and 50 Hz + or - 10 % , and capacitors labelling 50-60 Hz , so , to me , I think that electrical failing comes for most from the bad quality of power .
Philippe
Sm2k Belavita n°238

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Le 14 juil. 2017 à 11:38, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :

 

Hi Bill,

Remember the our boats are meant to work at 50 Hz we often plug into 60 Hz.

The motors run faster and the capacitors definitely do not like 60 Hz.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 12:34 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC Capacitors

 

 

Can anybody explain how I have gone my entire life working around household, industrial and marine equipment, and never replaced a capacitor on a motor, yet it seems to be a routine failure we talk about here?  Am I just lucky?  Or is there something going on?  Now to be fair, very few of the electric motors I have used around boats have been AC motors, so it might just be a sample too small to give useful data.

 

Is there something special about the electrical supply characteristics or the general environment on board that is causing this?  Maybe salt air getting into the capacitor and shorting out the plates?

 

For what it is worth, I haven't had a failure of a capacitor on Harmonie--yet. (I am sure just that just jinxed at least one of them!)  On the other had, we hardly ever use any of our AC motors, so it might just be a usage factor.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Boston, Mass


greatketch@...
 

Makes sense. A run capacitor should last 40k hours or so.  Start capacitors less so.  I must just be on the lucky side that none of the many motor driven things I have repaired ever needed a capacitor to get running again.

I often make the erroneous assumption that other people use things on their boats in the same way we do. For us, accumulating 40K hours on our AC units would take about 100 years--we use them that infrequently.  We also have a boat a bit simpler than many and just have fewer capacitors on our boat with just two AC units, and no other AC motors other than the clothes washer.

We had the original Cruiseair AC units when we bought Harmonie.  One compressor had an internal check valve fail shortly after we got the boat, the other is still going strong.  We thought--briefly--about replacing the failed compressor, but by the time we added the cost of parts and labor, and other potential issues with an old unit, it was more cost effective to just replace the whole thing since the install labor is free (me).

On a closely related topic, do you know what brand of compressor the Climma units use?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass

---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote :

Bill,

It may be just the numbers. For instance a SM2k has about 20 capacitors that will completely fail within 10-20 years, and all of them will begin to get out of spec in a few years. A start capacitor may work for years while out of spec. The Climma fan speed capacitors are critical because sufficient fan speed is necessary to keep the high temperature interrupt switch from opening...and, of course sufficient fan speed is required to sufficiently cool. 

I think that the majority of SM owners in this forum have 10-25 year-old Climma AC units and every one of those capacitors is at end-to-end. That age statistic is amazing for a marine AC, considering most home ACs don't last 20 years...and most home AC units will have a capacitor failure in their lifetime. 

So, I think it is the numbers. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Jul 14, 2017 11:34, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Can anybody explain how I have gone my entire life working around household, industrial and marine equipment, and never replaced a capacitor on a motor, yet it seems to be a routine failure we talk about here?  Am I just lucky?  Or is there something going on?  Now to be fair, very few of the electric motors I have used around boats have been AC motors, so it might just be a sample too small to give useful data.


Is there something special about the electrical supply characteristics or the general environment on board that is causing this?  Maybe salt air getting into the capacitor and shorting out the plates?

For what it is worth, I haven't had a failure of a capacitor on Harmonie--yet. (I am sure just that just jinxed at least one of them!)  On the other had, we hardly ever use any of our AC motors, so it might just be a usage factor.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harm onie
Boston, Mass