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Mark Erdos

#34694

Pat,

We use a length of regular chain (stainless would be best). It is about 10’ long. We have two locks (combination locks). One secures an end to the dinghy. We have an aluminum RIB that has welded lift points. This is where we fasten the chain. The other end we try to lock to a cleat or board on the dock. So far, we still have the dinghy.

We also use an outboard motor lock. We use this lock when the motor is attached to the dinghy or attached to the rail on Cream Puff:

https://www.amazon.com/Panther-75-8201-Outboard-Motor-Lock/dp/B003E1XI9C/ref=lp_2598139011_1_10?srs=2598139011&ie=UTF8&qid=1502976427&sr=8-10

We also try to tie the dinghy next to one that is nicer, has a newer engine and an inferior lock/cable. Our thought being someone would take it first rather than ours. You don’t want to be the prettiest or newest at the dock.

Hope this helps.

With best regards,

Mark

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:46 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore

The last time we were in the Caribbean I secured my dinghy with a cable that was encased in gray plastic . I think it was called Kryptonite , I was told by a friend and where I bought it , that it was very difficult to cut. Well I just cut it very easily with a very short handled cable cutter. When we go ashore , I like to think that are dinghy will be there when we get back . So does anyone have a suggestion as to the most secure way to secure a dinghy. Nothing is bullet proof , but I want to get as close as possible.

Thanks, Pat

SM Shenanigans

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#34702

Good morning Pat,

My solution is probably  extreme.

Last year I purchased small length of 3/8 chain and 1/2 chains to secure dinghy and bicycles.

Then I realized the eyes on the dinghy to secure it are about 10 mm made of aluminium, so they will be cut quicker than the chain, so I use the 3/8 chain.

I use the 1/2 inch chain to secure my bicycles (around cleat, pole, etc.).
When people see its size of the chain they smile (many take pictures).
I assume/hope that a thief (a lazy person to start with) will be discouraged of cutting off such chain and look for another victim.
For the lock I use the German Made ABUS Granit which are Level 10
https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Marine/Padlocks/GRANIT-37-55-S-038-S

All the chains can also be linked together using shackles for my 2nd anchor.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA



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On Thu, 8/17/17, sailw32@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore
 To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, August 17, 2017, 7:46 AM


  






   


       The last time we were in the Caribbean
 I secured my dinghy with a cable that was encased in gray
 plastic . I think it was called Kryptonite , I was told by a
 friend and where I bought it , that it was very difficult to
 cut. Well I just cut it very easily with a very short
 handled cable cutter. When we go ashore , I like to think
 that are dinghy will be there when we get back . So does
 anyone have a suggestion as to the most secure way to secure
 a dinghy. Nothing is bullet proof , but I want to get as
 close as possible.Thanks,
 PatSM Shenanigans


      






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Stephen Davis

#34705

Hi Pat,

The biggest chain you are willing to lug around is your best bet. Also, I'd recommend 25' in order you give you more options not some of the very crowded Caribbean dinghy docks. 

Steve
Aloha SM72
Aruba

greatketch@...

#34711

Just as an extra tiny obstacle in the path of the bad guys, I always take the kill switch clip with me when I leave the dinghy at the dock. Somebody could always tow it away, but it's all about making your dinghy a bit harder to take or less interesting than the one next to it.

There are all kinds of creative things you can do to make an outboard un-friendly to a stranger. Something like reversing the fuel hose. Unlikely to ever be noticed by someone trying to make a quick getaway, but the engine will only run for a few minutes on the fuel in the carb, then stop and not restart.

We use a cable lock, mostly because the attachment to the hull is the weak point and don't really expect chain would add a lot to a deterrent. The cable lock we use is from Seattle Sports, sold as a kayak lock. It is long and adjustable with an integrated lock. So far, at least, it has been holding up in the salt water--always tough for any lock.

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Gloucester, Mass

Patrick McAneny

#34717

Thanks all, it sounds like everyone is using chain, which is heavy and can be cut , I was hoping someone had discovered a flexible cable that was difficult to cut . I guess its chain and keeping the insurance premiums paid.

Thanks Again,

Pat SM#123

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners Sent: Thu, Aug 17, 2017 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore

Good morning Pat,

My solution is probably extreme.

Last year I purchased small length of 3/8 chain and 1/2 chains to secure dinghy and bicycles.

Then I realized the eyes on the dinghy to secure it are about 10 mm made of aluminium, so they will be cut quicker than the chain, so I use the 3/8 chain.

I use the 1/2 inch chain to secure my bicycles (around cleat, pole, etc.).
When people see its size of the chain they smile (many take pictures).
I assume/hope that a thief (a lazy person to start with) will be discouraged of cutting off such chain and look for another victim.
For the lock I use the German Made ABUS Granit which are Level 10
https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Marine/Padlocks/GRANIT-37-55-S-038-S

All the chains can also be linked together using shackles for my 2nd anchor.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA

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On Thu, 8/17/17, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, August 17, 2017, 7:46 AM

The last time we were in the Caribbean
I secured my dinghy with a cable that was encased in gray
plastic . I think it was called Kryptonite , I was told by a
friend and where I bought it , that it was very difficult to
cut. Well I just cut it very easily with a very short
handled cable cutter. When we go ashore , I like to think
that are dinghy will be there when we get back . So does
anyone have a suggestion as to the most secure way to secure
a dinghy. Nothing is bullet proof , but I want to get as
close as possible.Thanks,
PatSM Shenanigans

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Danny and Yvonne SIMMS

#34722

Hi Pat,

I think all the locking methods only stop the impulse thefts. If someone sets out to steel a dinghy and comes equipped they're going to get one no matter what we do. One time we were at the Annapolis boat show. We came back and found ours shifted but tied up again. The Mercury 4 stroke outboard we had was a bit hard to start and if you got it wrong it had a kick back that would break your arm. Might have saved us a new dinghy and left a thief with a sore arm.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

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On 18 August 2017 at 07:43 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks all, it sounds like everyone is using chain, which is heavy and can be cut , I was hoping someone had discovered a flexible cable that was difficult to cut . I guess its chain and keeping the insurance premiums paid.
Thanks Again,
Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Aug 17, 2017 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore

Good morning Pat,

My solution is probably extreme.

Last year I purchased small length of 3/8 chain and 1/2 chains to secure dinghy and bicycles.

Then I realized the eyes on the dinghy to secure it are about 10 mm made of aluminium, so they will be cut quicker than the chain, so I use the 3/8 chain.

I use the 1/2 inch chain to secure my bicycles (around cleat, pole, etc.).
When people see its size of the chain they smile (many take pictures).
I assume/hope that a thief (a lazy person to start with) will be discouraged of cutting off such chain and look for another victim.
For the lock I use the German Made ABUS Granit which are Level 10
https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Marine/Padlocks/GRANIT-37-55-S-038-S

All the chains can also be linked together using shackles for my 2nd anchor.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA

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On Thu, 8/17/17, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, August 17, 2017, 7:46 AM

The last time we were in the Caribbean
I secured my dinghy with a cable that was encased in gray
plastic . I think it was called Kryptonite , I was told by a
friend and where I bought it , that it was very difficult to
cut. Well I just cut it very easily with a very short
handled cable cutter. When we go ashore , I like to think
that are dinghy will be there when we get back . So does
anyone have a suggestion as to the most secure way to secure
a dinghy. Nothing is bullet proof , but I want to get as
close as possible.Thanks,
PatSM Shenanigans

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Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#34720

Pat,

In my experience, "Kryptonite" flex cable comes in several thicknesses and the one that is between 3/8" and 7/16" is difficult to cut. The thieves usually steal the best available dinghy with the easiest-to-cut cable.

But, if you have a nice dinghy and/or a stupid crook, you may lose your dinghy no matter what you do. BTW, most crooks hate 4 cycle Hondas, and love 15+ hp 2 cycle engines.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse

Admiral, Texas Navy

Commander Emeritus

Amel School http://amelschool.com

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Show quoted text

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks all, it sounds like everyone is using chain, which is heavy and can be cut , I was hoping someone had discovered a flexible cable that was difficult to cut . I guess its chain and keeping the insurance premiums paid.
Thanks Again,

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 17, 2017 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore

Good morning Pat,

My solution is probably extreme.

Last year I purchased small length of 3/8 chain and 1/2 chains to secure dinghy and bicycles.

Then I realized the eyes on the dinghy to secure it are about 10 mm made of aluminium, so they will be cut quicker than the chain, so I use the 3/8 chain.

I use the 1/2 inch chain to secure my bicycles (around cleat, pole, etc.).
When people see its size of the chain they smile (many take pictures).
I assume/hope that a thief (a lazy person to start with) will be discouraged of cutting off such chain and look for another victim.
For the lock I use the German Made ABUS Granit which are Level 10
https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Marine/Padlocks/GRANIT-37-55-S-038-S

All the chains can also be linked together using shackles for my 2nd anchor.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 8/17/17, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 17, 2017, 7:46 AM

The last time we were in the Caribbean
I secured my dinghy with a cable that was encased in gray
plastic . I think it was called Kryptonite , I was told by a
friend and where I bought it , that it was very difficult to
cut. Well I just cut it very easily with a very short
handled cable cutter. When we go ashore , I like to think
that are dinghy will be there when we get back . So does
anyone have a suggestion as to the most secure way to secure
a dinghy. Nothing is bullet proof , but I want to get as
close as possible.Thanks,
PatSM Shenanigans

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Patrick McAneny

#34739

Bill, I don't know the thickness of the cable I had, what ever Lowes stocks. Did not know it was available thicker . I was shocked how easy it was to cut . Fortunately / Unfortunately we have a dinghy we love , but thieves may love more , a 10.5' AB aluminum with a 18 hp. two stroke , both almost new. You did not say what you used .

Thanks,

Pat SM #123

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Aug 17, 2017 5:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore

Pat,

In my experience, "Kryptonite" flex cable comes in several thicknesses and the one that is between 3/8" and 7/16" is difficult to cut. The thieves usually steal the best available dinghy with the easiest-to-cut cable.

But, if you have a nice dinghy and/or a stupid crook, you may lose your dinghy no matter what you do. BTW, most crooks hate 4 cycle Hondas, and love 15+ hp 2 cycle engines.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse

Admiral, Texas Navy

Commander Emeritus

Amel School http://amelschool.com

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks all, it sounds like everyone is using chain, which is heavy and can be cut , I was hoping someone had discovered a flexible cable that was difficult to cut . I guess its chain and keeping the insurance premiums paid.

Thanks Again,

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 17, 2017 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore

Good morning Pat,

My solution is probably extreme.

Last year I purchased small length of 3/8 chain and 1/2 chains to secure dinghy and bicycles.

Then I realized the eyes on the dinghy to secure it are about 10 mm made of aluminium, so they will be cut quicker than the chain, so I use the 3/8 chain.

I use the 1/2 inch chain to secure my bicycles (around cleat, pole, etc.).
When people see its size of the chain they smile (many take pictures).
I assume/hope that a thief (a lazy person to start with) will be discouraged of cutting off such chain and look for another victim.
For the lock I use the German Made ABUS Granit which are Level 10
https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Marine/Padlocks/GRANIT-37-55-S-038-S

All the chains can also be linked together using shackles for my 2nd anchor.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 8/17/17, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 17, 2017, 7:46 AM

The last time we were in the Caribbean
I secured my dinghy with a cable that was encased in gray
plastic . I think it was called Kryptonite , I was told by a
friend and where I bought it , that it was very difficult to
cut. Well I just cut it very easily with a very short
handled cable cutter. When we go ashore , I like to think
that are dinghy will be there when we get back . So does
anyone have a suggestion as to the most secure way to secure
a dinghy. Nothing is bullet proof , but I want to get as

close as possible.Thanks,
PatSM Shenanigans

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Patrick McAneny

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Danny, No doubt you are right , if someone has a large cable/chain cutter , I guess they can steal your dinghy , no matter what you do. Its a shame , every time we go ashore I am concerned about losing my ride back to my boat . I have sailed to Annapolis probably 60 times over the last 40 yrs., I have never heard of a dinghy being stolen , although it probably has happened. The dinghy dock gets very crowded at the show, more likely someone moved yours to get their dinghy out. I remember well meeting you and about four other Amels there many years ago , we had a party , good times. Say hey ! to Yvonne .

Sail On,

Pat SM Shenanigans

Show quoted text

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Aug 17, 2017 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore

Hi Pat,

I think all the locking methods only stop the impulse thefts. If someone sets out to steel a dinghy and comes equipped they're going to get one no matter what we do. One time we were at the Annapolis boat show. We came back and found ours shifted but tied up again. The Mercury 4 stroke outboard we had was a bit hard to start and if you got it wrong it had a kick back that would break your arm. Might have saved us a new dinghy and left a thief with a sore arm.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 18 August 2017 at 07:43 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks all, it sounds like everyone is using chain, which is heavy and can be cut , I was hoping som eone had discovered a flexible cable that was difficult to cut . I guess its chain and keeping the insurance premiums paid.

Thanks Again,

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Aug 17, 2017 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore

Good morning Pat,

My solution is probably extrem e.

Last year I purchased small length of 3/8 chain and 1/2 chains to secure dinghy and bicycles.

Then I realized the eyes on the dinghy to secure it are about 10 mm made of aluminium, so they will be cut quicker than the chain, so I use the 3/8 chain.

I use the 1/2 inch chain to secure my bicycles (around cleat, pole, etc.).
When people see its size of the chain they smile (many take pictures).
I assume/hope that a thief (a lazy person to start with) will be discouraged of cutting off such chain and look for another victim.
For the lock I use the German Made ABUS Granit which are Level 10
https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Marine/Padlocks/GRANIT-37-55-S-038-S

All the chains can also be linked together using shackles for my 2nd anchor.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 8/17/17, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, August 17, 2017, 7:46 AM

The last time we were in the Caribbean
I secured my dinghy with a cable that was encased in gray
plastic . I think it was called Kryptonite , I was told by a
friend and where I bought it , that it was very difficult to
cut. Well I just cut it very easily with a very short
handled cable cutter. When we go ashore , I like to think
that are dinghy will be there when we get back . So does
anyone have a suggestion as to t he most secure way to secure
a dinghy. Nothing is bullet proof , but I want to get as
close as possible.Thanks,
PatSM Shenanigans

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Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#34755

Pat,

I used the same, but thick cable and had almost the same "bait" in 58 countries...a 3.2 AB Aluminum with a 15hp 2 cycle...almost 13 years.

Maybe it was thickness...maybe luck!

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

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On Aug 18, 2017 08:16, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bill, I don't know the thickness of the cable I had, what ever Lowes stocks. Did not know it was available thicker . I was shocked how easy it was to cut . Fortunately / Unfortunately we have a dinghy we love , but thieves may love more , a 10.5' AB aluminum with a 18 hp. two stroke , both almost new. You did not say what you used .
Thanks,

Pat SM #123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 17, 2017 5:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore

Pat,

In my experience, "Kryptonite" flex cable comes in several thicknesses and the one that is between 3/8" and 7/16" is difficult to cut. The thieves usually steal the best available dinghy with the easiest-to-cut cable.

But, if you have a nice dinghy and/or a stupid crook, you may lose your dinghy no matter what you do. BTW, most crooks hate 4 cycle Hondas, and love 15+ hp 2 cycle engines.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse

Admiral, Texas Navy

Commander Emeritus

Amel School http://amelschool.com

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thanks all, it sounds like everyone is using chain, which is heavy and can be cut , I was hoping someone had discovered a flexible cable that was difficult to cut . I guess its chain and keeping the insurance premiums paid.

Thanks Again,

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...om>
Sent: Thu, Aug 17, 2017 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore

Good morning Pat,

My solution is probably extreme.

Last year I purchased small length of 3/8 chain and 1/2 chains to secure dinghy and bicycles.

Then I realized the eyes on the dinghy to secure it are about 10 mm made of aluminium, so they will be cut quicker than the chain, so I use the 3/8 chain.

I use the 1/2 inch chain to secure my bicycles (around cleat, pole, etc.).
When people see its size of the chain they smile (many take pictures).
I assume/hope that a thief (a lazy person to start with) will be discouraged of cutting off such chain and look for another victim.
For the lock I use the German Made ABUS Granit which are Level 10
https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Marine/Padlocks/GRANIT-37-55-S-038-S

All the chains can also be linked together using shackles for my 2nd anchor.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 8/17/17, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore
To: amelyachtowners@...m
Date: Thursday, August 17, 2017, 7:46 AM

The last time we were in the Caribbean
I secured my dinghy with a cable that was encased in gray
plastic . I think it was called Kryptonite , I was told by a
friend and where I bought it , that it was very difficult to
cut. Well I just cut it very easily with a very short
handled cable cutter. When we go ashore , I like to think
that are dinghy will be there when we get back . So does
anyone have a suggestion as to the most secure way to secure
a dinghy. Nothing is bullet proof , but I want to get as

close as possible.Thanks,
PatSM Shenanigans

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Danny and Yvonne SIMMS

#34757

Yes Pat you could well be right, and we remember the Amel gathering well, we were fairly new owners then and it was a real buzz to get together.

One thing further on the securing a dinghy. You can get what we in rural NZ call high tensile chain. We use it a a tow chain as a much lighter chain can be used for pulling/lifting big loads. It cannot be cut with bolt cutters,I tried once with a big set and put a gap in the jaws.

I was buying a length from a workshop and used their big bolt cutters to "cut" it. Result ruined jaws and a red face for me.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Ju

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On 19 August 2017 at 00:38 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Danny, No doubt you are right , if someone has a large cable/chain cutter , I guess they can steal your dinghy , no matter what you do. Its a shame , every time we go ashore I am concerned about losing my ride back to my boat . I have sailed to Annapolis probably 60 times over the last 40 yrs., I have never heard of a dinghy being stolen , although it probably has happened. The dinghy dock gets very crowded at the show, more likely someone moved yours to get their dinghy out. I remember well meeting you and about four other Amels there many years ago , we had a party , good times. Say hey ! to Yvonne .
Sail On,
Pat SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Aug 17, 2017 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore

Hi Pat,
I think all the locking methods only stop the impulse thefts. If someone sets out to steel a dinghy and comes equipped they're going to get one no matter what we do. One time we were at the Annapolis boat show. We came back and found ours shifted but tied up again. The Mercury 4 stroke outboard we had was a bit hard to start and if you got it wrong it had a kick back that would break your arm. Might have saved us a new dinghy and left a thief with a sore arm.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 18 August 2017 at 07:43 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks all, it sounds like everyone is using chain, which is heavy and can be cut , I was hoping som eone had discovered a flexible cable that was difficult to cut . I guess its chain and keeping the insurance premiums paid.
Thanks Again,
Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Aug 17, 2017 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore

Good morning Pat,

My solution is probably extrem e.

Last year I purchased small length of 3/8 chain and 1/2 chains to secure dinghy and bicycles.

Then I realized the eyes on the dinghy to secure it are about 10 mm made of aluminium, so they will be cut quicker than the chain, so I use the 3/8 chain.

I use the 1/2 inch chain to secure my bicycles (around cleat, pole, etc.).
When people see its size of the chain they smile (many take pictures).
I assume/hope that a thief (a lazy person to start with) will be discouraged of cutting off such chain and look for another victim.
For the lock I use the German Made ABUS Granit which are Level 10
https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Marine/Padlocks/GRANIT-37-55-S-038-S

All the chains can also be linked together using shackles for my 2nd anchor.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA

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On Thu, 8/17/17, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, August 17, 2017, 7:46 AM

The last time we were in the Caribbean
I secured my dinghy with a cable that was encased in gray
plastic . I think it was called Kryptonite , I was told by a
friend and where I bought it , that it was very difficult to
cut. Well I just cut it very easily with a very short
handled cable cutter. When we go ashore , I like to think
that are dinghy will be there when we get back . So does
anyone have a suggestion as to t he most secure way to secure
a dinghy. Nothing is bullet proof , but I want to get as
close as possible.Thanks,
PatSM Shenanigans

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