[Amel Yacht Owners] Head Pump Out


Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...>
 

Hello Mark & Jennifer,

here is what I used:
http://nikimat.com/pump_out_hose.html
The hose will suck from the bottom of your tank.

Never a fun experience, but gets better with time!

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sun, 11/5/17, mgarver@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head Pump Out
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 5, 2017, 10:14 AM


 









Having recently purchased Super Maramu
#105, we encountered a minor issue during our first pump out
and that issue being that the standard pump out adapters do
not simply screw on to the SM deck fittings, so of course I
used the non threaded push in attachment, which again was a
bit of an issue due to the diameter of the pump out at the
deck. Simply wrapping some rubber gloves around the
attachment, and holding it an a very specific position
allowed me to finally get the tanks pumped out. My questions
is this, "Is there a better method"? I have
actually considered getting an adapter made at a machine
shop that would allow us to simply use the standard pump out
attachments at the various marinas we will be at in the US.
Once Marina recommended changing the deck fittings for
something standard here, to which I said no, in fear of the
"Keeper of all things Amel", Bill R. haunting me
during every pump out.
Any previous experienced
fixes or suggestions to this situation? I apologize if this
was already a topic, but I did search and didn't see
it.
Thanks!
Mark and Jennifer
GarverS/V It's
GoodAmel Super Maramu #105


mfmcgovern@...
 

Mark,

I had the same issues pumping out initially until I found Alex from Nikimat's page. I used that design to make what my wife and I affectionately call the "poop straw". We used this fitting from Defender:
Deck Fill Diameter: 1-5/8 Inch
Actual Thread Diameter: 1-1/4 Inch MPT
Threads / Inch: 11.5
Model #: 310343503

I simply screwed the fitting into 1.5" ID Sanitation Hose without any sealant or adhesive. We store it in a garbage bag in the port side deep locker.

This enabled us to pump out. However, we still struggled to get a good seal between the pump nozzle and the fitting on the "poop straw" mostly because the fitting did not sit flush with the deck due to the length of the hose. I decided to inspect our tank design and found that the bottom of our holding tanks are only about 17 inches below the deck. The drain hose from the bottom of the holding tank to the ball valve is obviously much further below the deck but getting the "poop straw" down in that hole was not easy and made the fitting not sit perpendicular to the deck. I decided to cut the length of the "poop straw" to approximately 17 inches below the foam seal on the fitting. I also made sure to cut the bottom on a bit of an angle. The fitting now sits flush with the deck and I can simply press the pump into the fitting to get a good seal and can pump out with ease. It doesn't empty the tank 100% but it does get the vast majority out and it now takes us no time and the process is significantly cleaner too. I will add a new album called "Holding Tank Pump Out" with some pictures of our "poop straw" to the photos section.

Hope this helps.

Mark
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Mark Garver
 


Alexandre,

Thank you for the quick reply! Also, so sorry to hear about your boat and all of the other issues you have had with Hurricane Harvey. St. Maarten is one of my favorite places and I used to live there several years ago, mostly while doing work there and is certainly on our list of sailing destinations. I hope things are getting better on the island for you and others. I have heard from a couple of friends, but not all, just hoping they are okay and simply dislocated. You are in our thoughts at all times and we are always hoping for the best for you!

Thanks again!

Mark


On Nov 05, 2017, at 11:53 AM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

Hello Mark & Jennifer,

here is what I used:
http://nikimat.com/pump_out_hose.html
The hose will suck from the bottom of your tank.

Never a fun experience, but gets better with time!

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sun, 11/5/17, mgarver@... [amelyachtowners]
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head Pump Out
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 5, 2017, 10:14 AM


 









Having recently purchased Super Maramu
#105, we encountered a minor issue during our first pump out
and that issue being that the standard pump out adapters do
not simply screw on to the SM deck fittings, so of course I
used the non threaded push in attachment, which again was a
bit of an issue due to the diameter of the pump out at the
deck. Simply wrapping some rubber gloves around the
attachment, and holding it an a very specific position
allowed me to finally get the tanks pumped out. My questions
is this, "Is there a better method"? I have
actually considered getting an adapter made at a machine
shop that would allow us to simply use the standard pump out
attachments at the various marinas we will be at in the US.
Once Marina recommended changing the deck fittings for
something standard here, to which I said no, in fear of the
"Keeper of all things Amel", Bill R. haunting me
during every pump out.
Any previous experienced
fixes or suggestions to this situation? I apologize if this
was already a topic, but I did search and didn't see
it.
Thanks!
Mark and Jennifer
GarverS/V It's
GoodAmel Super Maramu #105





Mark Garver
 


Mark,

Thanks for the additional information, I am going to give it a try. Looking forward to the pictures of your poop straw. :)

Best,

Mark and Jennifer
S/V It's Good
AMEL SM #105
Currently in Gloucester, VA - Heading south to Charleston, SC soon!


On Nov 05, 2017, at 02:58 PM, "mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

Mark,

I had the same issues pumping out initially until I found Alex from Nikimat's page. I used that design to make what my wife and I affectionately call the "poop straw". We used this fitting from Defender:
Deck Fill Diameter: 1-5/8 Inch
Actual Thread Diameter: 1-1/4 Inch MPT
Threads / Inch: 11.5
Model #: 310343503

I simply screwed the fitting into 1.5" ID Sanitation Hose without any sealant or adhesive. We store it in a garbage bag in the port side deep locker.

This enabled us to pump out. However, we still struggled to get a good seal between the pump nozzle and the fitting on the "poop straw" mostly because the fitting did not sit flush with the deck due to the length of the hose. I decided to inspect our tank design and found that the bottom of our holding tanks are only about 17 inches below the deck. The drain hose from the bottom of the holding tank to the ball valve is obviously much further below the deck but getting the "poop straw" down in that hole was not easy and made the fitting not sit perpendicular to the deck. I decided to cut the length of the "poop straw" to approximately 17 inches below the foam seal on the fitting. I also made sure to cut the bottom on a bit of an angle. The fitting now sits flush with the deck and I can simply press the pump into the fitting to get a good seal and can pump out with ease. It doesn't empty the tank 100% but it does get the vast majority out and it now takes us no time and the process is significantly cleaner too. I will add a new album called "Holding Tank Pump Out" with some pictures of our "poop straw" to the photos section.

Hope this helps.

Mark
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...>
 

Good morning Mark,

Thanks for your nice message.
Actually was Hurricane Irma (not Harvey), but same result.

I really like Sint Maarten/Saint Martin!
There is a good balance of the Dutch side, very efficient like in the US, and the good food and laid back attitude of the French side! Plus the import tax is pretty low 0 to 4%, compare to 60% for the Bahamas or Turks & Caicos (which I love as well).
Where did you stayed in Sint Maarten?

The salvage work started, then the government stop it, then now it resumed.
At the marina: a half sunk sailboat have been towed, and another raised from water waiting to be towed and destroyed.
The catamaran that flew on the roof of the Yacht Club has been removed.
In the Lagoon I see 3 other boats that have been raised and are waiting on mooring balls to be scraped.
But I think the cleaning will take longer than people originally thought.
I have been twice to the French side, was more damaged: 95% of the building had damaged (I estimate 1/3 completely destroyed).
They are a bit slower, or may be more careful with the work (here on the Dutch side, people don’t wait for building permit, they just rebuild).
I am renting a car next week, will see if there is progress.

I think I found a great lawyer, actually a law teacher, technically retired, who also sailed and had a bad experience with Helvetia so is eager to help. He was refered to me by another lawyer who own a Super Maramu, now retired in St Barth so will meet next month! Small world!

Hope we met sometime!
Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Sun, 11/5/17, Mark Garver mgarver@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head Pump Out
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 5, 2017, 6:35 PM


 










Alexandre,
Thank
you for the quick reply! Also, so sorry to hear about your
boat and all of the other issues you have had with Hurricane
Harvey. St. Maarten is one of my favorite places and I used
to live there several years ago, mostly while doing work
there and is certainly on our list of sailing destinations.
I hope things are getting better on the island for you and
others. I have heard from a couple of friends, but not all,
just hoping they are okay and simply dislocated. You are in
our thoughts at all times and we are always hoping for the
best for you!
Thanks
again!
Mark
On Nov 05, 2017, at 11:53 AM, "Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Hello Mark & Jennifer,


here is what I used:
http://nikimat.com/pump_out_hose.html
The hose will suck from the bottom of your
tank.

Never a fun
experience, but gets better with time!

Sincerely, Alexandre


--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 11/5/17, mgarver@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Head Pump Out
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 5, 2017, 10:14 AM


 









Having recently purchased Super Maramu
#105, we encountered a minor issue during our
first pump out
and that issue being that
the standard pump out adapters do
not
simply screw on to the SM deck fittings, so of course I
used the non threaded push in attachment,
which again was a
bit of an issue due to
the diameter of the pump out at the
deck.
Simply wrapping some rubber gloves around the
attachment, and holding it an a very specific
position
allowed me to finally get the
tanks pumped out. My questions
is this,
"Is there a better method"? I have
actually considered getting an adapter made at
a machine
shop that would allow us to
simply use the standard pump out

attachments at the various marinas we will be at in the
US.
Once Marina recommended changing the
deck fittings for
something standard here,
to which I said no, in fear of the

"Keeper of all things Amel", Bill R. haunting
me
during every pump out.

Any previous experienced
fixes or
suggestions to this situation? I apologize if this
was already a topic, but I did search and
didn't see
it.

Thanks!
Mark and Jennifer

GarverS/V It's
GoodAmel Super Maramu
#105