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JOHN HAYES #39098 My Santorin (Nga Waka) is 1991 and 46 feet so I guess similar to your vessel On purchase the boat was down in the bow, it transpired that the drain hole was full of dirt and had blocked up! Draining the locker produced a lift The chain was very rusty so I took it out and replaced it with 120 m of 10 mm Italian made chain, the best quality I could find in NZ at the time It and the35 kg anchor held fast through the entrails of 3 tropical cyclones at different locations in NZ’s north islands in the past 2 months In practice 100 m of chain might make more sense as the chain is inclined to accumulate under the lofrans in the chain locker, blocking the flow which then necessitates going below removing the inspection plate and flattening the chain so the remainder can drop in Mindful of the condition of the locker I inherited we block the chain and hole under the lofrans with plasticine or modelling clay before heading to sea We also find that removing the inspection port allows the locker and chain to dry Finally we use a snug chain as a security back up and also at anchor so the boat swings on rope across the bow fair lead Apologies if I’m telling you to suck eggs Best John Hayes WELLINGTON NZ toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 10/04/2018, at 7:39 PM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Hello fellow Amelians Many thanks to all those on the forum who have given their thoughts and experience on anchoring options for my boat (Currently 50m 12mm chain on older 46ft Maramu and I’m wondering about either adding more length in chain or rode) I’d really like to hear from those with chain plus rode extension solutions. what windlass do you have and how do you swap from chain to rode on the windlass when raising and lowering the anchor ? I spoke to the Lofrans distributor in the uk which ended up raising more questions for me. He was clear to point out that my Tigres is an all chain windlass the rope capstan is only for independent use and not setup to the allow transfer from chain to rope sections. He said the chain stripper would cause problems with the rode. If I want a chain plus rode solution I would need a different windlass. Any experience most welcome as I’ve only ever had an all chain solution before. Many thanks Miles
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smiles bernard #39099 Thanks John Sounds Like you have a nice well proven setup Ive also used 100 m all chain before on a previous boat and loved the simplicity and security. I was also hoping to hear from folk with chain extended with rope. How do people move from the chain section to the rope section of the anchor line whilst still using the windlass? I’ve not done this before and my windlass is a chain only Tigres So I can’t just drop and raise chain or rope on the same gypsy If I can figure this out and it does not sound too difficult I might just extend my 50m of 12mm chain with a 50 m spliced on rope section. If not my more costly options are : A) add extra (20meters) of 12mm chain with a high load quality c-link to join it to my current 50m B) replace the lot and get 100m if 10mm and a new windlass gypsy to boot! Many thanks Miles toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 10 Apr 2018, at 09:55, John Hayes johnhayes862@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: My Santorin (Nga Waka) is 1991 and 46 feet so I guess similar to your vessel On purchase the boat was down in the bow, it transpired that the drain hole was full of dirt and had blocked up! Draining the locker produced a lift The chain was very rusty so I took it out and replaced it with 120 m of 10 mm Italian made chain, the best quality I could find in NZ at the time It and the35 kg anchor held fast through the entrails of 3 tropical cyclones at different locations in NZ’s north islands in the past 2 months In practice 100 m of chain might make more sense as the chain is inclined to accumulate under the lofrans in the chain locker, blocking the flow which then necessitates going below removing the inspection plate and flattening the chain so the remainder can drop in Mindful of the condition of the locker I inherited we block the chain and hole under the lofrans with plasticine or modelling clay before heading to sea We also find that removing the inspection port allows the locker and chain to dry Finally we use a snug chain as a security back up and also at anchor so the boat swings on rope across the bow fair lead Apologies if I’m telling you to suck eggs Best John Hayes WELLINGTON NZ On 10/04/2018, at 7:39 PM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Hello fellow Amelians Many thanks to all those on the forum who have given their thoughts and experience on anchoring options for my boat (Currently 50m 12mm chain on older 46ft Maramu and I’m wondering about either adding more length in chain or rode) I’d really like to hear from those with chain plus rode extension solutions. what windlass do you have and how do you swap from chain to rode on the windlass when raising and lowering the anchor ? I spoke to the Lofrans distributor in the uk which ended up raising more questions for me. He was clear to point out that my Tigres is an all chain windlass the rope capstan is only for independent use and not setup to the allow transfer from chain to rope sections. He said the chain stripper would cause problems with the rode. If I want a chain plus rode solution I would need a different windlass. Any experience most welcome as I’ve only ever had an all chain solution before. Many thanks Miles
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Mark Erdos #39132 John, Can you explain the last line please. Are you talking about a snubber line? Finally we use a snug chain as a security back up and also at anchor so the boat swings on rope across the bow fair lead With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Guadeloupe www.creampuff.us From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 4:56 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain to rode. How do you ? My Santorin (Nga Waka) is 1991 and 46 feet so I guess similar to your vessel On purchase the boat was down in the bow, it transpired that the drain hole was full of dirt and had blocked up! Draining the locker produced a lift The chain was very rusty so I took it out and replaced it with 120 m of 10 mm Italian made chain, the best quality I could find in NZ at the time It and the35 kg anchor held fast through the entrails of 3 tropical cyclones at different locations in NZ’s north islands in the past 2 months In practice 100 m of chain might make more sense as the chain is inclined to accumulate under the lofrans in the chain locker, blocking the flow which then necessitates going below removing the inspection plate and flattening the chain so the remainder can drop in Mindful of the condition of the locker I inherited we block the chain and hole under the lofrans with plasticine or modelling clay before heading to sea We also find that removing the inspection port allows the locker and chain to dry Finally we use a snug chain as a security back up and also at anchor so the boat swings on rope across the bow fair lead Apologies if I’m telling you to suck eggs Best John Hayes WELLINGTON NZ On 10/04/2018, at 7:39 PM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: toggle quoted message Show quoted text Hello fellow Amelians Many thanks to all those on the forum who have given their thoughts and experience on anchoring options for my boat (Currently 50m 12mm chain on older 46ft Maramu and I’m wondering about either adding more length in chain or rode) I’d really like to hear from those with chain plus rode extension solutions. what windlass do you have and how do you swap from chain to rode on the windlass when raising and lowering the anchor ? I spoke to the Lofrans distributor in the uk which ended up raising more questions for me. He was clear to point out that my Tigres is an all chain windlass the rope capstan is only for independent use and not setup to the allow transfer from chain to rope sections. He said the chain stripper would cause problems with the rode. If I want a chain plus rode solution I would need a different windlass. Any experience most welcome as I’ve only ever had an all chain solution before. Many thanks Miles
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JOHN HAYES #39133 Sure should have been a snig line as we call them here It's a stainless hook that fits between two chain links spliced on to a rope about 20 mm diameter about 5 el m long We are probably talking abd and out the same thing At sea we clip into the chain and clear on the big cleat behind the lofrans at anchor as clip on to the chain under the bow And attach to one of the cleats on the gunnel at the bow so if carries the weight of the chain over the bow thus avoiding chain noise at anchor John Hayes Nga waka SN 17 Wellington toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Thu, 12 Apr 2018, 15:21 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners], <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: John, Can you explain the last line please. Are you talking about a snubber line? Finally we use a snug chain as a security back up and also at anchor so the boat swings on rope across the bow fair lead With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Guadeloupe www.creampuff.us From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 4:56 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain to rode. How do you ? My Santorin (Nga Waka) is 1991 and 46 feet so I guess similar to your vessel On purchase the boat was down in the bow, it transpired that the drain hole was full of dirt and had blocked up! Draining the locker produced a lift The chain was very rusty so I took it out and replaced it with 120 m of 10 mm Italian made chain, the best quality I could find in NZ at the time It and the35 kg anchor held fast through the entrails of 3 tropical cyclones at different locations in NZ’s north islands in the past 2 months In practice 100 m of chain might make more sense as the chain is inclined to accumulate under the lofrans in the chain locker, blocking the flow which then necessitates going below removing the inspection plate and flattening the chain so the remainder can drop in Mindful of the condition of the locker I inherited we block the chain and hole under the lofrans with plasticine or modelling clay before heading to sea We also find that removing the inspection port allows the locker and chain to dry Finally we use a snug chain as a security back up and also at anchor so the boat swings on rope across the bow fair lead Apologies if I’m telling you to suck eggs Best John Hayes WELLINGTON NZ On 10/04/2018, at 7:39 PM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Hello fellow Amelians Many thanks to all those on the forum who have given their thoughts and experience on anchoring options for my boat (Currently 50m 12mm chain on older 46ft Maramu and I’m wondering about either adding more length in chain or rode) I’d really like to hear from those with chain plus rode extension solutions. what windlass do you have and how do you swap from chain to rode on the windlass when raising and lowering the anchor ? I spoke to the Lofrans distributor in the uk which ended up raising more questions for me. He was clear to point out that my Tigres is an all chain windlass the rope capstan is only for independent use and not setup to the allow transfer from chain to rope sections. He said the chain stripper would cause problems with the rode. If I want a chain plus rode solution I would need a different windlass. Any experience most welcome as I’ve only ever had an all chain solution before. Many thanks Miles
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