[Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore
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Great! Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 12:09 PM 'Willem J. Kroes' kavanga@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Willem Kroes
Hi Amelia be,
The bow thruster worked very well. Thanks to all of you. My boat is now in the marina of the Real Club de Regattas in Cartagena.
Best regards,
Willem Kroes
SM #351 KAVANGA
Op 2 nov. 2018 16:59 schreef "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" :
Willem,
Good luck to you.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 4:21 AM 'Willem J. Kroes'
kavanga@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Willem, Good luck to you. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 4:21 AM 'Willem J. Kroes' kavanga@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Willem Kroes
Thanks you all for the information. In about two hours my boat will swim again and we will see if the bow thruster works again. Anyway I have now a little more confidence knowing that it is normal to move the prop connected to the motor without
power by hand.
Best regards,
Willem Kroes
SM #351 KAVANGA
Op 2 nov. 2018 05:44 schreef "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" :
Yes,
It should turn easily by hand and turn the motor. I thought he was saying that the propeller was turning, but NOT the vertical shaft or motor.
Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018, 16:37 Stephen Davis
flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
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Yes, It should turn easily by hand and turn the motor. I thought he was saying that the propeller was turning, but NOT the vertical shaft or motor. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018, 16:37 Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
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There are 2 pins that must be installed to keep the gear from turning on the propeller axel. I am traveling today. I will try to upload a drawing later today. Alex on Nikimat had exactly this issue when he rebuilt the lower unit. I think the gear is shipped from Amel without the holes for the pins in the gear wheel. More later when I get home. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Stephen Davis
When everything is correct, it should turn by hand fairly easily. What you do not want is the propeller to wobble on the shaft, which would mean the bearings inside are bad. Regards, Steve Davis Aloha SM72 Hawaii
On Nov 1, 2018, at 05:51, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Wileem,
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I just read this morning your message to Bill regarding the fact you can move the propeller by hand. I don’t remember if it is normal, I’d would want to say no, but could be wrong, I hope other can confirm. Strange the cap did not match the holes… did you rotate it 90 degree to see if it match better? The new one I received matched. In my case, I had the gear re-machined instead of the key. (I am a little disappointed Amel did not corrected that error, as I mentioned it 1.5 year ago). Personally I would wait other people reply (Olivier?) about normal or not about moving the bow thruster propeller by hand. If “not normal”, then could the splines on the shaft or electric motor be worn out? These are the last 2 pictures on http://www.nikimat.com/bow_thruster_spin.html Good luck… sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Thu, 11/1/18, 'Willem J. Kroes' kavanga@outlook.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, November 1, 2018, 9:24 AM Hello Alexandre, I am now fort wo weeks on the hard in Cartagena. I ordered the kit for the lower part of the bow thruster and this was installed. Apart from the small change to the key, the end cap did not fit (the holes for the screws have different distances compared to the old end cap. So the original was installed. After installation I feel a little uncertainty because I can move the prop by hand with the power on the gear off. Is this normal? This because in this way I have to move the electric motor also by hand. As scheduled I will go into the water tomorrow, but I want to avoid to be hauled immediately again. Kind regards, Willem Van: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Verzonden: vrijdag 5 oktober 2018 13:10 Aan: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Onderwerp: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore Good morning William, When it happened to me (same thing: propeller still on bow thruster - but no movement and screaming sound) it was the bearing inside the foot that were worn out. Here are pictures: http://www.nikimat.com/bow_thruster_spin.html You will need from Amel Part 1110 (Mecanism Pied de Propulseur SM) the price varies a lot if you purchase it from Martinique (977 Euro) or La Rochelle (582 Euro) scroll down to 1110 to see the part: http://www.nikimat.com/spare_parts_bow_thruster.html NOTE: Make sure you order with the Tufnol shaft and not the bearing by themselves as the size of that shaft has changed (look at the last picture on: http://www.nikimat.com/bow_thruster_lost_propeller.html ) NOTE 2: when you receive the 1110 - the small open space to receive the key on the small gear will have to be machined a little as it is not thick enough. If you look at the 2nd picture on http://www.nikimat.com/bow_thruster_spin.html You will see where the key goes has not be machine as much as on the old gear. You have a good view on picture 6. Wood luck, sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 10/5/18, kavanga@outlook.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 5, 2018, 4:03 AM Hello fellow Amel owners, I just moored my boat in the El Portet Marina in DENIA, Spain and almost done, the bow thruster did not function anymore and made a screaming noise. The prop is still there but it can turn almost without any resistance. Any idea what can be wrong and how to repair is very much welcome. Best regards, Willem Kroes SM #351 KAVANGA
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Ian Park
Mine also turns by hand on the Santorin. Maybe it’s a sign that previously the bearings wear binding quite tightly?
Ian Ocean Hobo SN96
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Willem Kroes
Hello Alexandre,
I am now fort wo weeks on the hard in Cartagena. I ordered the kit for the lower part of the bow thruster and this was installed. Apart from the small change to the key, the end cap did not fit (the holes for the screws have different distances compared to the old end cap. So the original was installed.
After installation I feel a little uncertainty because I can move the prop by hand with the power on the gear off. Is this normal? This because in this way I have to move the electric motor also by hand.
As scheduled I will go into the water tomorrow, but I want to avoid to be hauled immediately again.
Kind regards,
Willem
Van: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Good morning William,
On Fri, 10/5/18, kavanga@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Friday, October 5, 2018, 4:03 AM Hello fellow Amel owners, I just moored my boat in the El Portet Marina in DENIA, Spain and almost done, the bow thruster did not function anymore and made a screaming noise. The prop is still there but it can turn almost without any resistance. Any idea what can be wrong and how to repair is very much welcome. Best regards, Willem Kroes SM #351 KAVANGA
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Willem Kroes
Hello Martin,
Thanks for your fast reaction. The SM does not have a clutch like the 54. It's either the top- gears or the gears on he foot that failed. I will see what's wrong after the haul out next week.
Best regards,
Willem
SM #351 KAVANGA
Op 5 okt. 2018 11:20 schreef "Martin K luvkante@... [amelyachtowners]" :
Your clutch is broken Martin
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Alexandre Uster von Baar
Hello Willem,
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Yes it is possible. Back then, I took pictures (which you saw at the bottom of the 1st link) and show them on the forum and people were unanimous (in my case) the spines were fine. In my case, was the gears. I hope it is the same for you (and not the connection between the shaft and electric motor). Sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Fri, 10/5/18, 'Willem J. Kroes' kavanga@outlook.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, October 5, 2018, 12:31 PM Good afternoon Alexandre, Thank you so much for your advice and explanation. I noticed that in your case the bearings in the foot were worn out. But is it also possible that the problem can be with the connection between the shaft and the electric motor? It seems the ‘screaming noise’ is coming from the top, because it is so loud. Kind regards, Willem Van: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Verzonden: vrijdag 5 oktober 2018 13:10 Aan: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Onderwerp: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore Good morning William, When it happened to me (same thing: propeller still on bow thruster - but no movement and screaming sound) it was the bearing inside the foot that were worn out. Here are pictures: http://www.nikimat.com/bow_thruster_spin.html You will need from Amel Part 1110 (Mecanism Pied de Propulseur SM) the price varies a lot if you purchase it from Martinique (977 Euro) or La Rochelle (582 Euro) scroll down to 1110 to see the part: http://www.nikimat.com/spare_parts_bow_thruster.html NOTE: Make sure you order with the Tufnol shaft and not the bearing by themselves as the size of that shaft has changed (look at the last picture on: http://www.nikimat.com/bow_thruster_lost_propeller.html ) NOTE 2: when you receive the 1110 - the small open space to receive the key on the small gear will have to be machined a little as it is not thick enough. If you look at the 2nd picture on http://www.nikimat.com/bow_thruster_spin.html You will see where the key goes has not be machine as much as on the old gear. You have a good view on picture 6. Wood luck, sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 10/5/18, kavanga@outlook.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 5, 2018, 4:03 AM Hello fellow Amel owners, I just moored my boat in the El Portet Marina in DENIA, Spain and almost done, the bow thruster did not function anymore and made a screaming noise. The prop is still there but it can turn almost without any resistance. Any idea what can be wrong and how to repair is very much welcome. Best regards, Willem Kroes SM #351 KAVANGA
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Willem Kroes
Good afternoon Alexandre,
Thank you so much for your advice and explanation.
I noticed that in your case the bearings in the foot were worn out. But is it also possible that the problem can be with the connection between the shaft and the electric motor? It seems the ‘screaming noise’ is coming from the top, because it is so loud.
Kind regards,
Willem
Van: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Good morning William,
On Fri, 10/5/18, kavanga@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Friday, October 5, 2018, 4:03 AM Hello fellow Amel owners, I just moored my boat in the El Portet Marina in DENIA, Spain and almost done, the bow thruster did not function anymore and made a screaming noise. The prop is still there but it can turn almost without any resistance. Any idea what can be wrong and how to repair is very much welcome. Best regards, Willem Kroes SM #351 KAVANGA
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Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning William,
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When it happened to me (same thing: propeller still on bow thruster - but no movement and screaming sound) it was the bearing inside the foot that were worn out. Here are pictures: http://www.nikimat.com/bow_thruster_spin.html You will need from Amel Part 1110 (Mecanism Pied de Propulseur SM) the price varies a lot if you purchase it from Martinique (977 Euro) or La Rochelle (582 Euro) scroll down to 1110 to see the part: http://www.nikimat.com/spare_parts_bow_thruster.html NOTE: Make sure you order with the Tufnol shaft and not the bearing by themselves as the size of that shaft has changed (look at the last picture on: http://www.nikimat.com/bow_thruster_lost_propeller.html ) NOTE 2: when you receive the 1110 - the small open space to receive the key on the small gear will have to be machined a little as it is not thick enough. If you look at the 2nd picture on http://www.nikimat.com/bow_thruster_spin.html You will see where the key goes has not be machine as much as on the old gear. You have a good view on picture 6. Wood luck, sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Fri, 10/5/18, kavanga@outlook.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 5, 2018, 4:03 AM Hello fellow Amel owners, I just moored my boat in the El Portet Marina in DENIA, Spain and almost done, the bow thruster did not function anymore and made a screaming noise. The prop is still there but it can turn almost without any resistance. Any idea what can be wrong and how to repair is very much welcome. Best regards, Willem Kroes SM #351 KAVANGA
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luvkante
Your clutch is broken
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