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[Amel Yacht Owners] Sm fell off cradel


John Clark
 

Hi Jay,
   I would be very very concerned.  Yes the boat could be ok, but if the damage occurred at a sensitive spot is cannot really be brought back to spec.  

Fiberglass repairs can make anything look new again but cannot replace the strength of the original piece....might get close but not equal.

The Amel rig is by design bakery high tension setup. It applies a lot of tension on to the hull....on purpose mind you, which helps stablize to whole  affair.  If say a bit of the hull near a chain plate were compromised that spot become a weak spot where the rig could fail.  Loosening the rig to compensate ruins the integrity of the rig design setting you up for rig failure.

I suggest you inquire with Olivier Beaute to examine the damage/repair before going forward. 

I hope this is not the Amel formally known as PAPA II?

Regards,. John

SV ANNIE SM 37
Carriacou.

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 5:09 PM Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 


If it had good repairs and a survey how concerned would you be?



james Hosford
 

Yashar is the current name ,  located in MD


On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:42 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jay,
   I would be very very concerned.  Yes the boat could be ok, but if the damage occurred at a sensitive spot is cannot really be brought back to spec.  

Fiberglass repairs can make anything look new again but cannot replace the strength of the original piece....might get close but not equal.

The Amel rig is by design bakery high tension setup.. It applies a lot of tension on to the hull....on purpose mind you, which helps stablize to whole  affair.  If say a bit of the hull near a chain plate were compromised that spot become a weak spot where the rig could fail.  Loosening the rig to compensate ruins the integrity of the rig design setting you up for rig failure.

I suggest you inquire with Olivier Beaute to examine the damage/repair before going forward. 

I hope this is not the Amel formally known as PAPA II?

Regards,. John

SV ANNIE SM 37
Carriacou.

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 5:09 PM Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 


If it had good repairs and a survey how concerned would you be?



 

Yashar is absolutely the worst repair of a twice totaled Amel on this planet. It doesn't have Amel masts and the bulkheads are cracked behind the sloppy repair job. 

Survey, Ha!

Forget about it.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 16:57 Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Yashar is the current name ,  located in MD


On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:42 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jay,
   I would be very very concerned.  Yes the boat could be ok, but if the damage occurred at a sensitive spot is cannot really be brought back to spec.  

Fiberglass repairs can make anything look new again but cannot replace the strength of the original piece....might get close but not equal.

The Amel rig is by design bakery high tension setup.. It applies a lot of tension on to the hull....on purpose mind you, which helps stablize to whole  affair.  If say a bit of the hull near a chain plate were compromised that spot become a weak spot where the rig could fail.  Loosening the rig to compensate ruins the integrity of the rig design setting you up for rig failure.

I suggest you inquire with Olivier Beaute to examine the damage/repair before going forward. 

I hope this is not the Amel formally known as PAPA II?

Regards,. John

SV ANNIE SM 37
Carriacou.

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 5:09 PM Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 


If it had good repairs and a survey how concerned would you be?



John Clark
 

Jay, that is PAPA II.  She floats.. is about all I can say 

She was reportedly crushed when another boat fell on her in the yard.  Later she got stuck on a rock jetty and had the keel ballast.. along with the bottom of the water talk torn off.  
The repair on the keel left her with a keel 6" shorter than spec.


On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 5:57 PM Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Yashar is the current name ,  located in MD


On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:42 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jay,
   I would be very very concerned.  Yes the boat could be ok, but if the damage occurred at a sensitive spot is cannot really be brought back to spec.  

Fiberglass repairs can make anything look new again but cannot replace the strength of the original piece....might get close but not equal.

The Amel rig is by design bakery high tension setup.. It applies a lot of tension on to the hull....on purpose mind you, which helps stablize to whole  affair.  If say a bit of the hull near a chain plate were compromised that spot become a weak spot where the rig could fail.  Loosening the rig to compensate ruins the integrity of the rig design setting you up for rig failure.

I suggest you inquire with Olivier Beaute to examine the damage/repair before going forward. 

I hope this is not the Amel formally known as PAPA II?

Regards,. John

SV ANNIE SM 37
Carriacou.

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 5:09 PM Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 


If it had good repairs and a survey how concerned would you be?



 

Sorry, I left off the words, "in my opinion."

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 17:08 Bill Rouse <brouse@... wrote:
Yashar is absolutely the worst repair of a twice totaled Amel on this planet. It doesn't have Amel masts and the bulkheads are cracked behind the sloppy repair job. 

Survey, Ha!

Forget about it.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 16:57 Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Yashar is the current name ,  located in MD


On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:42 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jay,
   I would be very very concerned.  Yes the boat could be ok, but if the damage occurred at a sensitive spot is cannot really be brought back to spec.  

Fiberglass repairs can make anything look new again but cannot replace the strength of the original piece....might get close but not equal.

The Amel rig is by design bakery high tension setup.. It applies a lot of tension on to the hull....on purpose mind you, which helps stablize to whole  affair.  If say a bit of the hull near a chain plate were compromised that spot become a weak spot where the rig could fail.  Loosening the rig to compensate ruins the integrity of the rig design setting you up for rig failure.

I suggest you inquire with Olivier Beaute to examine the damage/repair before going forward. 

I hope this is not the Amel formally known as PAPA II?

Regards,. John

SV ANNIE SM 37
Carriacou.

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 5:09 PM Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 


If it had good repairs and a survey how concerned would you be?



John Clark
 

I love it Bill!


On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 6:22 PM Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Sorry, I left off the words, "in my opinion.."

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 17:08 Bill Rouse <brouse@... wrote:
Yashar is absolutely the worst repair of a twice totaled Amel on this planet. It doesn't have Amel masts and the bulkheads are cracked behind the sloppy repair job. 

Survey, Ha!

Forget about it.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 16:57 Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Yashar is the current name ,  located in MD


On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:42 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jay,
   I would be very very concerned.  Yes the boat could be ok, but if the damage occurred at a sensitive spot is cannot really be brought back to spec.  

Fiberglass repairs can make anything look new again but cannot replace the strength of the original piece....might get close but not equal.

The Amel rig is by design bakery high tension setup.. It applies a lot of tension on to the hull....on purpose mind you, which helps stablize to whole  affair.  If say a bit of the hull near a chain plate were compromised that spot become a weak spot where the rig could fail.  Loosening the rig to compensate ruins the integrity of the rig design setting you up for rig failure.

I suggest you inquire with Olivier Beaute to examine the damage/repair before going forward. 

I hope this is not the Amel formally known as PAPA II?

Regards,. John

SV ANNIE SM 37
Carriacou.

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 5:09 PM Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 


If it had good repairs and a survey how concerned would you be?



 

I can't believe this twice totaled and poorly repaired ex-Amel keeps popping up! 

Regrettably, someone will buy this wreck based on the reputation of Amel, only to find it is not really an Amel anymore. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 17:21 John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Jay, that is PAPA II.  She floats.. is about all I can say 

She was reportedly crushed when another boat fell on her in the yard.  Later she got stuck on a rock jetty and had the keel ballast.. along with the bottom of the water talk torn off.  
The repair on the keel left her with a keel 6" shorter than spec.


On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 5:57 PM Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Yashar is the current name ,  located in MD


On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:42 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jay,
   I would be very very concerned.  Yes the boat could be ok, but if the damage occurred at a sensitive spot is cannot really be brought back to spec.  

Fiberglass repairs can make anything look new again but cannot replace the strength of the original piece....might get close but not equal.

The Amel rig is by design bakery high tension setup.. It applies a lot of tension on to the hull....on purpose mind you, which helps stablize to whole  affair.  If say a bit of the hull near a chain plate were compromised that spot become a weak spot where the rig could fail.  Loosening the rig to compensate ruins the integrity of the rig design setting you up for rig failure.

I suggest you inquire with Olivier Beaute to examine the damage/repair before going forward. 

I hope this is not the Amel formally known as PAPA II?

Regards,. John

SV ANNIE SM 37
Carriacou.

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 5:09 PM Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 


If it had good repairs and a survey how concerned would you be?



james Hosford
 

To many boats out there fo 2 without those major problems



On Dec 15, 2018, at 4:21 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay, that is PAPA II.  She floats.. is about all I can say 

She was reportedly crushed when another boat fell on her in the yard.  Later she got stuck on a rock jetty and had the keel ballast.. along with the bottom of the water talk torn off.  
The repair on the keel left her with a keel 6" shorter than spec.


On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 5:57 PM Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Yashar is the current name ,  located in MD


On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:42 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jay,
   I would be very very concerned.  Yes the boat could be ok, but if the damage occurred at a sensitive spot is cannot really be brought back to spec.  

Fiberglass repairs can make anything look new again but cannot replace the strength of the original piece....might get close but not equal.

The Amel rig is by design bakery high tension setup.. It applies a lot of tension on to the hull....on purpose mind you, which helps stablize to whole  affair.  If say a bit of the hull near a chain plate were compromised that spot become a weak spot where the rig could fail.  Loosening the rig to compensate ruins the integrity of the rig design setting you up for rig failure.

I suggest you inquire with Olivier Beaute to examine the damage/repair before going forward. 

I hope this is not the Amel formally known as PAPA II?

Regards,. John

SV ANNIE SM 37
Carriacou.

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 5:09 PM Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 


If it had good repairs and a survey how concerned would you be?



james Hosford
 

Thanks Bill!!!!


On Dec 15, 2018, at 4:22 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Sorry, I left off the words, "in my opinion.."

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 17:08 Bill Rouse <brouse@... wrote:
Yashar is absolutely the worst repair of a twice totaled Amel on this planet. It doesn't have Amel masts and the bulkheads are cracked behind the sloppy repair job. 

Survey, Ha!

Forget about it.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 16:57 Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Yashar is the current name ,  located in MD


On Dec 15, 2018, at 3:42 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jay,
   I would be very very concerned.  Yes the boat could be ok, but if the damage occurred at a sensitive spot is cannot really be brought back to spec.  

Fiberglass repairs can make anything look new again but cannot replace the strength of the original piece....might get close but not equal.

The Amel rig is by design bakery high tension setup.. It applies a lot of tension on to the hull....on purpose mind you, which helps stablize to whole  affair.  If say a bit of the hull near a chain plate were compromised that spot become a weak spot where the rig could fail.  Loosening the rig to compensate ruins the integrity of the rig design setting you up for rig failure.

I suggest you inquire with Olivier Beaute to examine the damage/repair before going forward. 

I hope this is not the Amel formally known as PAPA II?

Regards,. John

SV ANNIE SM 37
Carriacou.

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 5:09 PM Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 


If it had good repairs and a survey how concerned would you be?



greatketch@...
 

Since this disaster of a boat has a listing on Yachtworld, we'll probably keep being asked about it.

I have already had two people ask me about it outside the forum, and gave them basically the same answer Bill R did, although I might have been a touch less colorful in my language.

Just say "NO" to trashed boats.

If you are in the market for a boat, please consider the following.  Like all "rules" there are always exceptions, but I firmly believe there is more truth to this than not...

I used to give a very popular seminar on "how to buy a boat."  Here is one short except from it on the topic of "cheap" boats....

Bill's Fourth Rule of Boat Buying Happiness: Spend more and get a bargain.


You likely would not believe this if you heard it from a yacht broker trying to sell you a boat. If you hear it from me, hopefully you accept it as containing more than a grain of truth.


It is a little understood, and rarely articulated, fact that the REAL bargains in the boat world are closer to the top of the market than the bottom.  Why?  Boat buying in the internet age is very close to a world-wide market.  Boats in poor condition drive down the price of those in excellent shape.  


Boat repairs are very expensive and time consuming, And they are famously difficult to forecast--even for experts.  The cost of repairs are NEVER properly deducted from the price of the derelict or neglected boat.  In the same way, all the work, time, love, care, and MONEY that were put into the top-shelf, super Bristol, best of her type, boat are never recovered in the final sale. Spend $50,000 on a 50 foot boat, you will probably have bought yourself a money pit nightmare that will haunt you for years.  Spend the same money on a 35 foot boat, and you might just have a new sweetheart.


Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Fort Lauderdale, Fl, USA

Days away from sailing away... We hope!



Courtney Gorman
 

Excellent advice from Bill there will always be repair’s but a well used boat is generally in better condition than a long ‘rested ‘ one
Cheers 🍻

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