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Petrol questions/survey


Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Greetings All,
When I purchased my boat there were petrol/gasoline jugs in the life boat locker (life boat is on the stern). I thought this was normal protocol and stayed with it until now. After some reading and discussion I now realize this is not the safest way to store petrol. I have a 3gal in the dinghy and a 6gal stored to refill. I must say that a season in the Caribbean I saw many many Amels. Few had any fuel lashed to the stanchions. Would it be okay to store petrol in locker while on passage then crack the lid, prop it up a bit and let it vent while at anchor or get it out of there pronto! Now the survey.

1. How much petrol do you store
2. Where do you store it
3. How do you store it
4. Has anyone made a capped vent hole in lifeboat locker similar to propane locker

Best Regards and thanks for your time.
Chuck
Joy #388
In Grenada W.I (what a season)!


Craig Briggs
 

1. 6 gal. when full. 2. any locker but usually aft; in dinghy when it's not on deck. 3. in the tank, which does not leak. 4. nope


karkauai
 

6 gallon tank in dinghy (15HP 2-stroke Yamaha), tied to lifeline/stanchion by the s boarding ladder on passage.
3gal stored in starboard aft cockpit locker.  No special vent.

Hoping to find the right sailing/ rowing dinghy to eliminate gasoline and gasoline engines altogether.  Nesting with simple rig easy to set up and break down.  I’ll post a question about this under an appropriate topic name.

 Bought a Torqeedo electric outboard, but not really built for heavy cruiser use on a tender in our opinion.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jun 16, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

1. 6 gal. when full. 2. any locker but usually aft; in dinghy when it's not on deck. 3. in the tank, which does not leak. 4. nope


Alan Grayson
 

I have  6gal for the dinghy and 5gal for refill. When at anchor the 6 gal is stored in the dinghy and the 5 gal is tied to lifelines. When underway the dinghy is lashed to the aft cabin top and the cans are lashed under the dinghy. I lash the cans to the transom of the dinghy before totally lowering the dinghy. I also remove the plug of the dinghy to allow any vapors to escape.
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Washington DC
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Chuck_Kim_Joy <clacey9@...>
Sent: Sunday, 16 June 2019 1:38:28 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Petrol questions/survey
 
Greetings All,
When I purchased my boat there were petrol/gasoline jugs in the life boat locker (life boat is on the stern). I thought this was normal protocol and stayed with it until now. After some reading and discussion I now realize this is not the safest way to store petrol. I have a 3gal in the dinghy and a 6gal stored to refill. I must say that a season in the Caribbean I saw many many Amels. Few had any fuel lashed to the stanchions. Would it be okay to store petrol in locker while on passage then crack the lid, prop it up a bit and let it vent while at anchor or get it out of there pronto! Now the survey.

1. How much petrol do you store
2. Where do you store it
3. How do you store it
4. Has anyone made a capped vent hole in lifeboat locker similar to propane locker

Best Regards and thanks for your time.
Chuck
Joy #388
In Grenada W.I (what a season)!


Mark Erdos
 

#1 – We have three 5-gallon containers in addition to the 6 gallon container in the dinghy. This has proven to be ample supply even in the most remote areas.

#2 – Gas cans are lashed on the starboard rail just aft of the forward sail locker forward of the pole. I made canvas covers since the cans are not UV protected

#3 – In plastic gas cans

#4 – I wouldn’t dare drill extra holes in the hull. Not even a minor consideration.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chuck_Kim_Joy
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 9:38 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Petrol questions/survey

 

Greetings All,
When I purchased my boat there were petrol/gasoline jugs in the life boat locker (life boat is on the stern). I thought this was normal protocol and stayed with it until now. After some reading and discussion I now realize this is not the safest way to store petrol. I have a 3gal in the dinghy and a 6gal stored to refill. I must say that a season in the Caribbean I saw many many Amels. Few had any fuel lashed to the stanchions. Would it be okay to store petrol in locker while on passage then crack the lid, prop it up a bit and let it vent while at anchor or get it out of there pronto! Now the survey.

1. How much petrol do you store
2. Where do you store it
3. How do you store it
4. Has anyone made a capped vent hole in lifeboat locker similar to propane locker

Best Regards and thanks for your time.
Chuck
Joy #388
In Grenada W.I (what a season)!


Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

On Nikimat (since you are new on the forum, will add lost during Hurricane Irma), I always store the gasoline “on” the deck (secure to the stanchions) never in the below storages (because of the gravity of the gasoline fume which would stay below and would risk to explode without using a blower).
Personally (but keep in mind I tend to overkill anything due to my little experience) I had 2 x 24 liter (almost 6 gallon) and 1 x 16 liter 2 cycle outboard tanks for my 15 hp 2 cycle Yamaha (I am sure this is more fuel than most other).
Just like Mark did, I also made Sunbrella cover for my 3 petrol tanks to protect from the sun.
Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sun, 6/16/19, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Petrol questions/survey
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Date: Sunday, June 16, 2019, 12:55 PM


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#1 – We have three
5-gallon containers in addition to the 6
gallon container in the dinghy. This has proven to be ample
supply even in the
most remote areas.

#2 – Gas cans
are lashed on the starboard rail just aft of the forward
sail locker forward of
the pole. I made canvas covers since the cans are not UV
protected

#3 – In plastic
gas cans

#4 – I wouldn’t
dare drill extra holes in the hull. Not even a minor
consideration.

 

 

 

With best
regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel
- Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently
cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us


 



From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
[mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Chuck_Kim_Joy

Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 9:38 AM

To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Petrol
questions/survey



 

Greetings All,

When I purchased my boat there were petrol/gasoline jugs in
the life boat
locker (life boat is on the stern). I thought this was
normal protocol and
stayed with it until now. After some reading and discussion
I now realize this
is not the safest way to store petrol. I have a 3gal in the
dinghy and a 6gal
stored to refill. I must say that a season in the Caribbean
I saw many many
Amels. Few had any fuel lashed to the stanchions. Would it
be okay to store
petrol in locker while on passage then crack the lid, prop
it up a bit and let
it vent while at anchor or get it out of there pronto! Now
the survey.



1. How much petrol do you store

2. Where do you store it

3. How do you store it

4. Has anyone made a capped vent hole in lifeboat locker
similar to propane
locker



Best Regards and thanks for your time.

Chuck

Joy #388

In Grenada W.I (what a season)!


Alan Leslie
 

1. 10 litre 
2. External outboard motor tank
3. Lazarette - the tank doesn't leak
4. No and I wouldn't do that

We NEVER have anything lashed to the stanchions.
One decent wave and it would be gone and damage the stanchions.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Mark Erdos
 

I often see world cruisers with cans lashed to stanchions. It seems many of the boats on which I observe this have a set up not as solid as Amel. I have never once heard of a large wave causing damage due to cans lashed. Improperly lashed, maybe. But not damage just because of the location. So I have to ask the question, has this ever happened?

 

We NEVER have anything lashed to the stanchions.
One decent wave and it would be gone and damage the stanchions.”

(my 2¢) My school of thought is I would rather repair stanchion damage due to a freak wave (if this is possible) than to file an insurance claim because the back end of my boat blow up from gasoline fumes. In my lazarette there are several items that could spark highly explosive gas fumes such as a short in the SSB antenna tuner, outlets or power supplies. Plastic gas cans are not immune to leakage and the threat of a leak can be amplified by abrasion during passages. Gasoline fumes are highly explosive (and heavier than air) and should never be stored in an area not adequately vented.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Leslie
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 1:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Petrol questions/survey

 

1. 10 litre 
2. External outboard motor tank
3. Lazarette - the tank doesn't leak
4. No and I wouldn't do that

We NEVER have anything lashed to the stanchions.
One decent wave and it would be gone and damage the stanchions.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, I also agree with you, I sometimes see some small amount of leakage of gas from tanks due to heat and expansion and would never store gas below for the reason you stated . I store my tanks far aft ,where they are less prone to be impacted by waves. 
Pat
SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 7:53 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Petrol questions/survey

I often see world cruisers with cans lashed to stanchions. It seems many of the boats on which I observe this have a set up not as solid as Amel. I have never once heard of a large wave causing damage due to cans lashed. Improperly lashed, maybe. But not damage just because of the location. So I have to ask the question, has this ever happened?
 
We NEVER have anything lashed to the stanchions.
One decent wave and it would be gone and damage the stanchions.”

(my 2¢) My school of thought is I would rather repair stanchion damage due to a freak wave (if this is possible) than to file an insurance claim because the back end of my boat blow up from gasoline fumes. In my lazarette there are several items that could spark highly explosive gas fumes such as a short in the SSB antenna tuner, outlets or power supplies. Plastic gas cans are not immune to leakage and the threat of a leak can be amplified by abrasion during passages. Gasoline fumes are highly explosive (and heavier than air) and should never be stored in an area not adequately vented.
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama
www.creampuff.us
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Leslie
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 1:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Petrol questions/survey
 
1. 10 litre 
2. External outboard motor tank
3. Lazarette - the tank doesn't leak
4. No and I wouldn't do that

We NEVER have anything lashed to the stanchions.
One decent wave and it would be gone and damage the stanchions.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Thanks to all for your time in replying. The rear small cockpit lockers are vented or at least a drain hole in the bottom. Port side cockpit locker will fit my 6 gal yamaha tank that came with the dinghy. These are great quality tanks. It fits perfectly there. Is that sufficient ventilation?

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 1:42 AM Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:
1. 10 litre 
2. External outboard motor tank
3. Lazarette - the tank doesn't leak
4. No and I wouldn't do that

We NEVER have anything lashed to the stanchions.
One decent wave and it would be gone and damage the stanchions.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


amelforme
 

Another 2 cents…

If you can smell the aroma of gasoline, it is explosive.

As Mark said, the SSB tuner is NOT a spark or arc proof unit and it says so on the installation instructions. It is not unusual for them to make sparks capable of ignition of gasoline vapors. Gasoline vapor is much heavier than atmosphere and difficult to displace. The Amel 54 has special lockers on the port side for all flammables on board including gasoline as was a major request from SM 53 owners we asked/heard from.

I have resold two SM 53 where the furthest aft bulkhead in the owners cabin was displaced forward when the SSB tuner ignited gasoline vapors. This bulkhead is the weak link in an overpressure situation of the aft deck locker. In is not an inexpensive repair to do correctly.

Gasoline containers secured on the aft deck are less likely to get swept and cause damage to the stanchions, as they are generally travelling away from the boarding wave which diminishes the initial ‘pop’ of the wave strike. Containers on the foredeck area have the force of the wave strike increased by the speed that the boat is travelling increasing the initial pop which is the part of the wave action that does the most damage. I have seen stanchions that were twisted from this. Most damage to the life line tubes is caused by large people sitting on the middle of the span. I have spent a lot of time straightening bent stanchions and lifelines in preparing an otherwise nice listing for sale, it is tedious and not much fun.

 

Have fun with your Amel, Joel

 

          JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 8:44 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Petrol questions/survey

 

Mark, I also agree with you, I sometimes see some small amount of leakage of gas from tanks due to heat and expansion and would never store gas below for the reason you stated . I store my tanks far aft ,where they are less prone to be impacted by waves. 

Pat

SM #123

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 7:53 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Petrol questions/survey

I often see world cruisers with cans lashed to stanchions. It seems many of the boats on which I observe this have a set up not as solid as Amel. I have never once heard of a large wave causing damage due to cans lashed. Improperly lashed, maybe. But not damage just because of the location. So I have to ask the question, has this ever happened?

 

We NEVER have anything lashed to the stanchions.
One decent wave and it would be gone and damage the stanchions.”

(my 2¢) My school of thought is I would rather repair stanchion damage due to a freak wave (if this is possible) than to file an insurance claim because the back end of my boat blow up from gasoline fumes. In my lazarette there are several items that could spark highly explosive gas fumes such as a short in the SSB antenna tuner, outlets or power supplies. Plastic gas cans are not immune to leakage and the threat of a leak can be amplified by abrasion during passages. Gasoline fumes are highly explosive (and heavier than air) and should never be stored in an area not adequately vented.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Leslie
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 1:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Petrol questions/survey

 

1. 10 litre 
2. External outboard motor tank
3. Lazarette - the tank doesn't leak
4. No and I wouldn't do that

We NEVER have anything lashed to the stanchions.
One decent wave and it would be gone and damage the stanchions.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


 

Joel,

Totally agree.

And, foredeck storage is good when you are stern-to in a marina.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 8:33 AM amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Another 2 cents…

If you can smell the aroma of gasoline, it is explosive.

As Mark said, the SSB tuner is NOT a spark or arc proof unit and it says so on the installation instructions. It is not unusual for them to make sparks capable of ignition of gasoline vapors. Gasoline vapor is much heavier than atmosphere and difficult to displace. The Amel 54 has special lockers on the port side for all flammables on board including gasoline as was a major request from SM 53 owners we asked/heard from.

I have resold two SM 53 where the furthest aft bulkhead in the owners cabin was displaced forward when the SSB tuner ignited gasoline vapors. This bulkhead is the weak link in an overpressure situation of the aft deck locker. In is not an inexpensive repair to do correctly.

Gasoline containers secured on the aft deck are less likely to get swept and cause damage to the stanchions, as they are generally travelling away from the boarding wave which diminishes the initial ‘pop’ of the wave strike. Containers on the foredeck area have the force of the wave strike increased by the speed that the boat is travelling increasing the initial pop which is the part of the wave action that does the most damage. I have seen stanchions that were twisted from this. Most damage to the life line tubes is caused by large people sitting on the middle of the span. I have spent a lot of time straightening bent stanchions and lifelines in preparing an otherwise nice listing for sale, it is tedious and not much fun.

 

Have fun with your Amel, Joel

 

          JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 8:44 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Petrol questions/survey

 

Mark, I also agree with you, I sometimes see some small amount of leakage of gas from tanks due to heat and expansion and would never store gas below for the reason you stated . I store my tanks far aft ,where they are less prone to be impacted by waves. 

Pat

SM #123

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2019 7:53 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Petrol questions/survey

I often see world cruisers with cans lashed to stanchions. It seems many of the boats on which I observe this have a set up not as solid as Amel. I have never once heard of a large wave causing damage due to cans lashed. Improperly lashed, maybe. But not damage just because of the location. So I have to ask the question, has this ever happened?

 

We NEVER have anything lashed to the stanchions.
One decent wave and it would be gone and damage the stanchions.”

(my 2¢) My school of thought is I would rather repair stanchion damage due to a freak wave (if this is possible) than to file an insurance claim because the back end of my boat blow up from gasoline fumes. In my lazarette there are several items that could spark highly explosive gas fumes such as a short in the SSB antenna tuner, outlets or power supplies. Plastic gas cans are not immune to leakage and the threat of a leak can be amplified by abrasion during passages. Gasoline fumes are highly explosive (and heavier than air) and should never be stored in an area not adequately vented.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Leslie
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 1:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Petrol questions/survey

 

1. 10 litre 
2. External outboard motor tank
3. Lazarette - the tank doesn't leak
4. No and I wouldn't do that

We NEVER have anything lashed to the stanchions.
One decent wave and it would be gone and damage the stanchions.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Alan Leslie
 

Ouch !

I have seen stanchions / lifelines damaged on boats that had "stuff" lashed to them after tough up wind passages.
Our SSB tuner is not in the lazarette, nor do we have power supplies or outlets in there.
Our fuel tank doesn't smell and doesn't leak.

Sorry

Alan
Elyse SM437


Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Alan,

I'm with you on this. Until you've seen big seas breaking over a boat you just cant imagine the power in them. Eric knows more about that than ost I think. We store our 4 jerry cans of diesel and one of outboard mix in the port locker out side the cockpit. No ignition source and a lid not locked down so in the impossible event of an explosion the lid would fly up, minimizing any damage, so long as you were not sitting on it at the time. grin


Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 18 June 2019 at 10:44 Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Ouch !

I have seen stanchions / lifelines damaged on boats that had "stuff" lashed to them after tough up wind passages.
Our SSB tuner is not in the lazarette, nor do we have power supplies or outlets in there.
Our fuel tank doesn't smell and doesn't leak.

Sorry

Alan
Elyse SM437