Pulling the mast to rerig
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Alan Grayson
Hello, I'm about to rerig our Super Maramu and the riggers are saying that they would prefer to pull the masts and that it should be done every 7 years or so anyway.
I have ordered rigging from Acmo and the riggers are quite happy to let me change it out once it is on the ground which saves a few dollars. My questions are, does the rig need to be pulled every 7 years? While the mast is down what other maintenance items are advisable to do? I will be servicing motors, gearboxes, checking foils, swivels, running a couple of new wires and spot painting corrosion. What other important jobs am I missing? Regards Alan Grayson SV Ora Pai SM 406 Annapolis, MD |
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Did these riggers say why every seven years? And which riggers? Best, CW Bill Rouse Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners www.YachtSchool.us 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 1:49 PM Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote: Hello, I'm about to rerig our Super Maramu and the riggers are saying that they would prefer to pull the masts and that it should be done every 7 years or so anyway. |
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Alan Grayson
He said to be able to have a good look over everything and easier to do rigging with the mast pulled.
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M Yacht Rigging in Annapolis and yes I know you only recommend a couple of other riggers Alan Grayson From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Sent: Monday, 1 July 2019 10:22:57 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig Did these riggers say why every seven years? And which riggers?
Best,
CW Bill Rouse Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners www.YachtSchool.us 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 1:49 PM Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:
Hello, I'm about to rerig our Super Maramu and the riggers are saying that they would prefer to pull the masts and that it should be done every 7 years or so anyway. |
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Alan, I strongly believe that "easier" is the key word. I think you should consider other riggers. I also believe that this re-rig with unstepping masts will be more costly than necessary. Any rigger worth his salt can inspect every square inch of a mast by climbing the mast. Best, CW Bill Rouse 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 (If I do not have your number in My Contacts, you will go to VoiceMail. Text me in advance with your number and I'll white list it.) On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:31 PM Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:
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eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
Hi Alan, I had Kimberlite re-rigged by the Amel riggers in Martinique last year. It was beautiful to watch. It took two men 2 days to do with the mast in place. They took down the port and starboard wires in pairs , made up the rigging with Acmo components and put them back in place. While they were changing the rigging another person was polishing the chainplates.
After watching this done I cannot understand why the rigger you spoke to wants to take down the mast. While the headstay was down they also rebuilt the genoa furler.
I would suggest you speak to another rigger, They can inspect the top of the mast in place.. If I am not mistaken Amel suggests every 15 years, My rigging was 16 years old. I had them cut open a few swages and no rust in them and no problems after 80,000 miles.
Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Hello, I'm about to rerig our Super Maramu and the riggers are saying that they would prefer to pull the masts and that it should be done every 7 years or so anyway. |
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Hi Allen,
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I had my rigging changed with mast up in Grenada by “Turbulence” rigging. It took a couple of days, and was done in pairs, so say both port and starboard cap shrouds were taken off, then new made up and fitted, tensioned snug. Etc until the whole job was done. Then finally tuned and fully tensioned. In terms of inspecting the mast, I believe it is easier whilst up apart from seeing the underside of the bottom where it is stepped. Nick Amelia near Corfu AML 54-019 On 2 Jul 2019, at 05:21, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
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Alan,
With your new rigging coming from ACMO and therefore ready to hang, plus your plan to do it yourself anyway, just do it all yourself without pulling the mast. Katherine and I did ours in the water over just a few days, taking it slow to minimize the time each day in the bosun's chair. It's easy-peasy and you'll have the confidence of knowing it's done correctly. It ain't rocket science. If you want to refresh the mast wiring while you're at it, that's pretty easy too. I recall stepping aboard one of this forum's member's SM's when he first got it and had had it "professionally" re-rigged after shipping. First thing I saw was no bolts in the backstay turnbuckle - and we were to jump offshore for a few days; yikes. As the saying goes, if you want it done right, do it yourself. Or, if you're not up to diy, "you get what you inspect, not what you expect". Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL |
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Alan Unless you have a very specific problem or reason to do it, I would not pull the masts. And 7 years old and re-rigging are definitely not good reasons. You will probably spend more and take more risks. But if you decide to go that way you can take the opportunity to also check the pad/rubber sole under both masts. Just by looking before taking the masts down, you might have an idea of what to expect, so you can order the part in advance and save some time. On top of the good suggestions from others, I like to open all antenna domes, clean contacts and check the rubber seals. Lost one radar antenna to moisture once. But again, this can easily be done with masts up too. Roque Attika A54 117 Santos Brazil Em ter, 2 de jul de 2019 às 08:20, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> escreveu: Alan, |
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Miles
Hi Alan,
I would go to another rigger. Your rig should be so tight that there will never be a shock load. I changed my rigging after 60,000 miles and 18 years (not quite as far as Eric, and it appeared to be in good shape, like Eric’s. I think that trick is to keep it Amel tight. A rigger who does not know the boat will not make it tight enough. I see no reason to take the mast out except to charge you more.
Warm regards, Miles s/y Ladybug, sm216 , Newport RI Harbor. |
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Alan Grayson
Hi All, thanks for the comments, I have spoken with the rigger again today to verify what everyone has said.
He said he did not mind doing the work with the mast up but said if I needed to do anything else now is a good time to do it. Cost, should be close to even after calculating cost of labor for 2 and a bit days VS cost of crane, them doing final prep work before pulling, then refitting and tuning, I will be doing all prep work, switching out the rigging wires and rehookup once installed. They will store the mast free for 2 weeks. The rigger asked if there was any other work I could do if the mast was pulled, answer is a big yes, I can pull some new wire, change the deck light, spot paint a bunch of corrosion spots ( no paint on deck), change AIS antenna plus servicing the gearboxes etc. The rigger has done a couple of Amels before as he asked about the condition of the mast pads. I plan on being in the carribean this winter so will get Amel Martinique to retune as it should stretch a bit by then. As an Aircraft Engineer I feel confident in being able to do this work and as I'm new to this boat( I have owned a boat for 20 years) it will be a great learning experience as well as a chance to fix a few other things that would be easier to do with the mast down. Regards Alan Grayson SV Ora Pai. SM 406 From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Miles <milesbid@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2019 1:43:18 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig Hi Alan,
I would go to another rigger. Your rig should be so tight that there will never be a shock load. I changed my rigging after 60,000 miles and 18 years (not quite as far as Eric, and it appeared to be in good shape, like Eric’s. I think that trick is to keep it Amel tight. A rigger who does not know the boat will not make it tight enough. I see no reason to take the mast out except to charge you more.
Warm regards, Miles s/y Ladybug, sm216 , Newport RI Harbor. |
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Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience? Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240 Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay |
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Germain Jean-Pierre
Hello Mike and Alan,
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Delos did it all themselves sometimes back. I am considering doing it myself with one younger more nimble guy in the bosun’s chair. Good luck. Jean-Pierre Germain,SY Eleuthera SM 007, Fiji On 23 Aug 2019, at 12:47, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:
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Better yet, do what I did and have your wife go up the mast so you don't hurt yourself :-)
Cheers, Craig & Katherine SN68 Sangaris. |
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seagasm <seagasm@...>
We re-rigged our vessel without pulling the masts out. It was done in the berth by riggers without any difficulty. It certainly avoided a haul out and/or a crane expense.
Best Regards Barry & Robyn Tradewinds III SM#171 |
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Mohammad Shirloo
Hello Mike;
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In my experience, the reason why some riggers prefer to pull the mast is it makes it easier to make their measurements to make the new standing rigging and lift the masts with all rigging run and connected.
If you order from ACMO, it all comes perfectly made to proper length with all the correct connections and fittings. We replaced the 6 shrouds at the main mast in a little over 1 day. Off course having the right rigger helps.
We flew Nicky from Malta and he managed to the work in less than ideal conditions with winds in the 15-25 knot range, at the marina. Respectfully;
Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
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Alan Grayson
Hi Mike, yes we have just finished with the rerig. We pulled the masts which for us was the best way for us to go. We have only had the boat less than a year so we had no idea what condition all the parts were in, jib furler, gearboxes, motors etc so having
the masts down allowed us to pull everything off in a much easier way. We were also able to remove old wires from each mast and renew, changed out the steaming light, paint touch up corroded areas, servicing the manual furler gearboxes mizzen and main were
accomplished much easier. I felt there was no time pressure if something went wrong.
I watched a boat in Ft Lauderdale get there rigging replaced in the slip and if that's all you are doing then I would have no concerns doing that but for us we had a lot of extras to do. One of the main reasons we did the rigging now and not wait till Martinique was we were getting a lot of mast pumping and could not get rid of it. Once the riggers had tuned it the pumping was even worse and they had no solution to it even after I had shown them the tuning write up so I loosened everything off and followed the directions explicitly and what do you know no more pumping. I'm sure it's not tight enough but I hope to bump into some SM's shortly and check tension with them and we still plan on heading direct to Martinique in Nov. Acmo rigging was just as advertised, perfect. Price for the crane was about $600 each way and all the riggers did was remove and replace the masts and do their tune. Hope this helps Regards Alan Grayson SM 406 Ora Pai Annapolis From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 12:47:27 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience? Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240 Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay |
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Patrick McAneny
Mike , I did my own rigging , one piece at at a time . Install and tension the lowers a little ,before the uppers. Uppers first, would bow the mast out of column ,always do the lowers a little then proceed to uppers a little and so on.
Pat,
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From: Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2019 8:47 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience? Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240 Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay |
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Thanks Alan. Sounds like pulling the mast was a good solution for you and glad to hear it went well. We are primarily focused on replacing the 20 year old standing rigging, but several “experts” have recommended pulling the mast to check the base. I wonder if that is more of a concern with a keel stepped mast as the base has greater potential for sitting in sea water and is not as readily observed on a regular basis. Did you find any issues at the base/deck interface? Is there a pad there that needed replacement? And as you said, repairs up and down the mast are certainly easier when it is horizontal and bench height. I was able to locate Olivier’s instructions on the old Yahoo BB and attached them here for reference within the current bulletin board. We also will depart the Chesapeake, on or around November 3, bound for Martinique. Let’s stay in touch. Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240 Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 7:42 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig
Hi Mike, yes we have just finished with the rerig. We pulled the masts which for us was the best way for us to go. We have only had the boat less than a year so we had no idea what condition all the parts were in, jib furler, gearboxes, motors etc so having the masts down allowed us to pull everything off in a much easier way. We were also able to remove old wires from each mast and renew, changed out the steaming light, paint touch up corroded areas, servicing the manual furler gearboxes mizzen and main were accomplished much easier. I felt there was no time pressure if something went wrong. From: main@... <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
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Alan Grayson
I had a bit of corrosion at the mast base but not bad. I replaced the pads from Maud, expensive little suckers, $280 for the pair. I don’t think I really needed to do that as there is not really anyway for the water to get between
the mast base and the pad. Those drain holes you see are the top side of a plate welded into the base of the mast so that there is no way for water to go anywhere else but out those holes..
I will be leaving as soon as the rugby World Cup is over which I think the final is Nov 2nd so absolutely let’s keep in touch, probably head down in company.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:21:27 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig Thanks Alan. Sounds like pulling the mast was a good solution for you and glad to hear it went well. We are primarily focused on replacing the 20 year old standing rigging, but several “experts” have recommended pulling the mast to check the base. I wonder if that is more of a concern with a keel stepped mast as the base has greater potential for sitting in sea water and is not as readily observed on a regular basis. Did you find any issues at the base/deck interface? Is there a pad there that needed replacement? And as you said, repairs up and down the mast are certainly easier when it is horizontal and bench height. I was able to locate Olivier’s instructions on the old Yahoo BB and attached them here for reference within the current bulletin board. We also will depart the Chesapeake, on or around November 3, bound for Martinique. Let’s stay in touch. Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240 Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Hi Mike, yes we have just finished with the rerig. We pulled the masts which for us was the best way for us to go. We have only had the boat less than a year so we had no idea what condition all the parts were in, jib furler, gearboxes,
motors etc so having the masts down allowed us to pull everything off in a much easier way. We were also able to remove old wires from each mast and renew, changed out the steaming light, paint touch up corroded areas, servicing the manual furler gearboxes
mizzen and main were accomplished much easier. I felt there was no time pressure if something went wrong. From:
main@... <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Hi Alan. |
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