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New York: Registration for motorized dinghy / foreign flagged sailboat

Alexander Ramseyer
 

Dear Amelians, I just head a local constable visiting me, asking for my dinghy registration.  He sais any motorized boat has to be registered in the State of N.Y. My AMEL is Swiss registered and logically if that was true, I would also need to register my AMEL in N.Y. However, this guy wants to give me a ticket if he sees me again motoring in the Dinghy. Any locals reading this, please advise what I should say to his guy next time...
Alex
"NO STRESS ".....!!!!!!!

Mark Erdos
 

Alex,

 

In the USA, your USA cruising permit does not include the dinghy. You are required to have a state registration. The guy did you a favor by not writing you a ticket. It doesn’t really matter which state you register in so long as you have some sort of registration. Rule of thumb, if it has a motor, it must be registered.

 

The difficult part is explaining to the local tax agency that you are required to register the dinghy (per the authorities) but you do not reside there or have a mailing address in the state to where they can mail you the permit. It is really screwed up. If you are in a marina, that’ll be easier as you can use their address.

 

Or

 

You can mark the dinghy “T/T No Stress” and show them the federal rules that allow you to use the tender to transit ONLY to and from the mothership (no joy riding). Most law enforcement officers are unaware of this. You will need to carry it with you. I do not know where to point you to online for the rules. Perhaps someone else can help.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alex Ramseyer
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2019 5:31 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New York: Registration for motorized dinghy / foreign flagged sailboat

 

Dear Amelians, I just head a local constable visiting me, asking for my dinghy registration.  He sais any motorized boat has to be registered in the State of N.Y. My AMEL is Swiss registered and logically if that was true, I would also need to register my AMEL in N.Y. However, this guy wants to give me a ticket if he sees me again motoring in the Dinghy. Any locals reading this, please advise what I should say to his guy next time...
Alex
"NO STRESS ".....!!!!!!!

Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg
 

Write ”T/T” followed by your boats name on it.  
T/T = Tender To


Hälsningar/regards/cumprimentos
Ann-Sofie Svanberg


Skickat från min iPhone

4 aug. 2019 kl. 22:39 skrev Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...>:

Alex,

 

In the USA, your USA cruising permit does not include the dinghy. You are required to have a state registration. The guy did you a favor by not writing you a ticket. It doesn’t really matter which state you register in so long as you have some sort of registration. Rule of thumb, if it has a motor, it must be registered.

 

The difficult part is explaining to the local tax agency that you are required to register the dinghy (per the authorities) but you do not reside there or have a mailing address in the state to where they can mail you the permit. It is really screwed up. If you are in a marina, that’ll be easier as you can use their address.

 

Or

 

You can mark the dinghy “T/T No Stress” and show them the federal rules that allow you to use the tender to transit ONLY to and from the mothership (no joy riding). Most law enforcement officers are unaware of this. You will need to carry it with you. I do not know where to point you to online for the rules. Perhaps someone else can help.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alex Ramseyer
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2019 5:31 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New York: Registration for motorized dinghy / foreign flagged sailboat

 

Dear Amelians, I just head a local constable visiting me, asking for my dinghy registration.  He sais any motorized boat has to be registered in the State of N.Y. My AMEL is Swiss registered and logically if that was true, I would also need to register my AMEL in N.Y. However, this guy wants to give me a ticket if he sees me again motoring in the Dinghy. Any locals reading this, please advise what I should say to his guy next time...
Alex
"NO STRESS ".....!!!!!!!

seagasm
 

Personally, I would never put my boat name on my tender, only the registration number eg. T/T Reg 9999. By doing this you avoid the possibility of someone ashore immediately identifying that boat by name has no-one on board. A security measure everyone should consider.

Kind Regards
Barry Ferguson
Tradewinds III SM #171

On 05/08/19 08:42, Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg wrote:
Write ”T/T” followed by your boats name on it.  
T/T = Tender To


Hälsningar/regards/cumprimentos
Ann-Sofie Svanberg


Skickat från min iPhone

4 aug. 2019 kl. 22:39 skrev Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...>:

Alex,

 

In the USA, your USA cruising permit does not include the dinghy. You are required to have a state registration. The guy did you a favor by not writing you a ticket. It doesn’t really matter which state you register in so long as you have some sort of registration. Rule of thumb, if it has a motor, it must be registered.

 

The difficult part is explaining to the local tax agency that you are required to register the dinghy (per the authorities) but you do not reside there or have a mailing address in the state to where they can mail you the permit. It is really screwed up. If you are in a marina, that’ll be easier as you can use their address.

 

Or

 

You can mark the dinghy “T/T No Stress” and show them the federal rules that allow you to use the tender to transit ONLY to and from the mothership (no joy riding). Most law enforcement officers are unaware of this. You will need to carry it with you. I do not know where to point you to online for the rules. Perhaps someone else can help.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alex Ramseyer
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2019 5:31 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New York: Registration for motorized dinghy / foreign flagged sailboat

 

Dear Amelians, I just head a local constable visiting me, asking for my dinghy registration.  He sais any motorized boat has to be registered in the State of N.Y. My AMEL is Swiss registered and logically if that was true, I would also need to register my AMEL in N.Y. However, this guy wants to give me a ticket if he sees me again motoring in the Dinghy. Any locals reading this, please advise what I should say to his guy next time...
Alex
"NO STRESS ".....!!!!!!!


Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

I think the fact there is no tender attached to your boat is enough of a signal, don't you?.

Danny'

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 05 August 2019 at 11:40 seagasm <seagasm@...> wrote:

Personally, I would never put my boat name on my tender, only the registration number eg. T/T Reg 9999. By doing this you avoid the possibility of someone ashore immediately identifying that boat by name has no-one on board. A security measure everyone should consider.

Kind Regards
Barry Ferguson
Tradewinds III SM #171

On 05/08/19 08:42, Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg wrote:
Write ”T/T” followed by your boats name on it.  
T/T = Tender To


Hälsningar/regards/cumprimentos
Ann-Sofie Svanberg


Skickat från min iPhone

4 aug. 2019 kl. 22:39 skrev Mark Erdos < mcerdos@...>:

Alex,

 

In the USA, your USA cruising permit does not include the dinghy. You are required to have a state registration. The guy did you a favor by not writing you a ticket. It doesn’t really matter which state you register in so long as you have some sort of registration. Rule of thumb, if it has a motor, it must be registered.

 

The difficult part is explaining to the local tax agency that you are required to register the dinghy (per the authorities) but you do not reside there or have a mailing address in the state to where they can mail you the permit. It is really screwed up. If you are in a marina, that’ll be easier as you can use their address.

 

Or

 

You can mark the dinghy “T/T No Stress” and show them the federal rules that allow you to use the tender to transit ONLY to and from the mothership (no joy riding). Most law enforcement officers are unaware of this. You will need to carry it with you. I do not know where to point you to online for the rules. Perhaps someone else can help.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alex Ramseyer
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2019 5:31 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New York: Registration for motorized dinghy / foreign flagged sailboat

 

Dear Amelians, I just head a local constable visiting me, asking for my dinghy registration.  He sais any motorized boat has to be registered in the State of N.Y. My AMEL is Swiss registered and logically if that was true, I would also need to register my AMEL in N.Y. However, this guy wants to give me a ticket if he sees me again motoring in the Dinghy. Any locals reading this, please advise what I should say to his guy next time...
Alex
"NO STRESS ".....!!!!!!!

 


 


 

Mark Erdos
 

I think that if a thief ashore were to see a dinghy with T/T Vessel Name on it and took off to rob a boat (that they have no idea of the anchor location but planned to blindly hunt for it) would probably rob the first boat they come to without a dinghy attached to it. Just my 2¢

 

And, besides in Alex’s case, I gave him two options.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of seagasm
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2019 7:41 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] New York: Registration for motorized dinghy / foreign flagged sailboat

 

Personally, I would never put my boat name on my tender, only the registration number eg. T/T Reg 9999. By doing this you avoid the possibility of someone ashore immediately identifying that boat by name has no-one on board. A security measure everyone should consider.

Kind Regards
Barry Ferguson
Tradewinds III SM #171

On 05/08/19 08:42, Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg wrote:

Write ”T/T” followed by your boats name on it.  

T/T = Tender To

 

Hälsningar/regards/cumprimentos

Ann-Sofie Svanberg

 

 

Skickat från min iPhone


4 aug. 2019 kl. 22:39 skrev Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...>:

Alex,

 

In the USA, your USA cruising permit does not include the dinghy. You are required to have a state registration. The guy did you a favor by not writing you a ticket. It doesn’t really matter which state you register in so long as you have some sort of registration. Rule of thumb, if it has a motor, it must be registered.

 

The difficult part is explaining to the local tax agency that you are required to register the dinghy (per the authorities) but you do not reside there or have a mailing address in the state to where they can mail you the permit. It is really screwed up. If you are in a marina, that’ll be easier as you can use their address.

 

Or

 

You can mark the dinghy “T/T No Stress” and show them the federal rules that allow you to use the tender to transit ONLY to and from the mothership (no joy riding). Most law enforcement officers are unaware of this. You will need to carry it with you. I do not know where to point you to online for the rules. Perhaps someone else can help.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alex Ramseyer
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2019 5:31 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New York: Registration for motorized dinghy / foreign flagged sailboat

 

Dear Amelians, I just head a local constable visiting me, asking for my dinghy registration.  He sais any motorized boat has to be registered in the State of N.Y. My AMEL is Swiss registered and logically if that was true, I would also need to register my AMEL in N.Y. However, this guy wants to give me a ticket if he sees me again motoring in the Dinghy. Any locals reading this, please advise what I should say to his guy next time...
Alex
"NO STRESS ".....!!!!!!!

 

rossny@ymail.com
 

Alex, Just row your boat, leave the motor on the mothership and use your oars. They can give you a ticket with the motor but you probably will never see them patrolling again even if you stay awhile. If you're not staying long just take the ticket and save it as a souvenir from N.Y., they will not go after you in Switzerland. Where in NY are you?
If I can help with local knowledge, I live in the Hudson valley near NYC so call me.
You can call me a sailor but even if l still owned an Amel I wouldn't want to be called a Amelian, Ha...who the hall started that???
Best Regards,
Ross in NY
Cell = 845.8two5,7six57  




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amelforme
 

Ross, good to see you join in. Amelian was coined by Jeff Krause, a fellow New Yorker from Lownghilend. He owns an Amel 54 SPIRIT which used to be called HOLLIS when I owned it.

 

Be nice to Alex. The last thing he needs is to end up in Rikers Island for not paying a matured New York citation…

 

Glad you are still with the group.

 

All The Best, Joel

 

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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of rossny@...
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 8:47 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] New York: Registration for motorized dinghy / foreign flagged sailboat

 

Alex, Just row your boat, leave the motor on the mothership and use your oars. They can give you a ticket with the motor but you probably will never see them patrolling again even if you stay awhile. If you're not staying long just take the ticket and save it as a souvenir from N.Y., they will not go after you in Switzerland. Where in NY are you?

If I can help with local knowledge, I live in the Hudson valley near NYC so call me.

You can call me a sailor but even if l still owned an Amel I wouldn't want to be called a Amelian, Ha...who the hall started that???

Best Regards,

Ross in NY

Cell = 845.8two5,7six57  

 

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone