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smiles bernard
 

Hello

A leak on the stainless grab rails on the aft cabin top has lead to some discolouration of the headliner during previous ownership.

I’m hoping to leave the Headliner trim on the vertical window sections in place as it’s not stained at all but also I can’t see any easy way of removing this other than taking the windows out to expose, I presume, hidden screws that hold internal ply backing in place.

Has anyone tried this ?

I’m considering not gluing new headliner directly but instead templating thin ply then covering this and screwing the ply sections to the roof. Hopefully this will work ok 🤞

Also does anyone have any experience of a good headliner match for the vintage Maramus ?

Many thanks in advance

Miles
Maramu 162

david bruce
 

Hi Miles, Just a thought here. I also have a small leak there and have temporarily sealed it externally so can not speak to the logistics of the headliner directly. Liesse has had the entire headliner in all cabins replaced with a lighter white headliner which really serves to open and brighten the spaces. If you are doing an entire space i personally might take the opportunity to go lighter. I haven t tackled a true leak repair yet largely because it looks like i will have to in some way mar this really nice headliner, but know i m just kicking the can down the road here.

Best,
Dave
Liesse
SN006

On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:02 PM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:



Hello

A leak on the stainless grab rails on the aft cabin top has lead to some discolouration of the headliner during previous ownership.

I’m hoping to leave the Headliner trim on the vertical window sections in place as it’s not stained at all but also I can’t see any easy way of removing this other than taking the windows out to expose, I presume, hidden screws that hold internal ply backing in place.

Has anyone tried this ?

I’m considering not gluing new headliner directly but instead templating thin ply then covering this and screwing the ply sections to the roof. Hopefully this will work ok 🤞

Also does anyone have any experience of a good headliner match for the vintage Maramus ?

Many thanks in advance

Miles
Maramu 162


James Alton
 

Dave,

   I would like to eventually replace the entire liner in my boat as well so am curious about how the job went?  The flat areas of the overhead look pretty straight forward but what about the areas such as the pass thru which are a compound shape?  What techniques did you use to get the fabric to fit the compound shape and have you had any problems?   I would also like to identify the best adhesive to use for the job.   I like your idea of going with a lighter colour.  

   If you can positively identify the location of the handrail bolts, you can cover your cuts through the liner for access by using varnished wooden blocks that will also allow future access.   African Mahogany selected for colour should match the rest of the interior pretty well I think.  If done well these blocks can actually improve the overall appearance.  You can use either round head, flat head or oval head screws that are left exposed to secure the blocks which makes future removal for inspection very easy.  

James Alton
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Preveza,  Greece

   

On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:43 PM, david bruce <davidcbruce57@...> wrote:

Hi Miles,  Just a thought here.  I also have a small leak there and have temporarily sealed it externally so can not speak to the logistics of the headliner directly.  Liesse has had the entire headliner in all cabins replaced with a lighter white headliner which really serves to open and brighten the spaces. If you are doing an entire space i personally might take the opportunity to go lighter.  I haven t tackled a true leak repair yet largely because it looks like i will have to in some way mar this really nice headliner, but know i m just kicking the can down the road here.

Best, 
Dave 
Liesse
SN006
On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:02 PM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:



Hello 

A leak on the stainless grab rails on the aft cabin top has lead to some discolouration of the headliner during previous ownership. 

I’m hoping to leave the Headliner trim on the vertical window sections in place as it’s not stained at all but also I can’t see any easy way of removing this other than taking the windows out to expose, I presume, hidden screws that hold internal ply backing in place. 

Has anyone tried this ?

I’m considering not gluing new headliner directly but instead templating thin ply then covering this and screwing the ply sections to the roof. Hopefully this will work ok 🤞

Also does anyone have any experience of a good headliner match for the vintage Maramus ?

Many thanks in advance

Miles 
Maramu 162





Ian Park
 

Miles
I replaced all the headlining in the aft cabin.
For the roof I did put the lining on thin ply. I then used Velcro to position the panels correctly and keeping it all in place by screwing wooden battens to the roof which overlapped the edges of each panel.
The original wooden battens on the Santorin meant the panels would be quite large. I think it was just one down the centre. So I added a new batten across the roof (in 2 sections) so that there are 4 more easily managed panels.
I did have to remove the wood around the windows by taking the window screws out, but the sealant on the windows was still sound, so I didn’t remove the windows themselves - just replaced the screws.
Getting the old glue off the roof was the hardest part. I used a plastic version of a circular wire brush in an electric drill. It stripped the glue off without damaging the fibreglass.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

smiles bernard
 

Hi Ian
Many thanks for this response
Can I just confirm how you managed to remove the ply window panels?
Sounds like you are saying that as soon as the window screws and bolts were out then the ply panel could be pulled free from inside?
I had assumed there would be some blind screws hidden behind the window acrylic
If not then that is good news. Just take all screws and through bolts out and pull the ply free
Redo headliner around the windows then replace ply
I was going to do exactly the same wrt ply panels on Velcro 👍👍
Many thanks again
Miles

On 30 Oct 2019, at 08:57, Ian <parkianj@...> wrote:

Ian Park
 

Miles
Correct for Santorin. I presume it may be the same on the Maramu.
A tip when finishing any overlaps of the new fabric on the sides - scrape the foam backing off the overlapping section so it’s just vinyl to vinyl.
It wasn’t too hard a job. Resealing the hatch took two goes. I didn’t use enough sealant first time.

Have fun!

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

On 30 Oct 2019, at 13:41, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:

Hi Ian
Many thanks for this response
Can I just confirm how you managed to remove the ply window panels?
Sounds like you are saying that as soon as the window screws and bolts were out then the ply panel could be pulled free from inside?
I had assumed there would be some blind screws hidden behind the window acrylic
If not then that is good news. Just take all screws and through bolts out and pull the ply free
Redo headliner around the windows then replace ply
I was going to do exactly the same wrt ply panels on Velcro 👍👍
Many thanks again
Miles
On 30 Oct 2019, at 08:57, Ian <parkianj@...> wrote:


Craig Briggs
 

Miles,
On our SN there's a thin wood finish trim strip that's nailed on the inside. That has to carefully be pried off to expose a row of bolts that need to be removed in addition to the screws holding the exterior metal trim. On ours, the plywood was also well adhered with silicone.
Good luck with it,
Craig

david bruce
 

Hi James,  I would defer to Craig and Ian regarding the headliner replacement project since Liesse had this done professionally when we bought her.  I appreciate your suggestion regarding the trim pieces after accessing the bolts, will consider that.  BTW we are at Cleopatra this winter, will be back in late April, early May, if you are still there we should connect.  Best,  Dave


On Oct 29, 2019, at 5:45 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Dave,

   I would like to eventually replace the entire liner in my boat as well so am curious about how the job went?  The flat areas of the overhead look pretty straight forward but what about the areas such as the pass thru which are a compound shape?  What techniques did you use to get the fabric to fit the compound shape and have you had any problems?   I would also like to identify the best adhesive to use for the job.   I like your idea of going with a lighter colour.  

   If you can positively identify the location of the handrail bolts, you can cover your cuts through the liner for access by using varnished wooden blocks that will also allow future access.   African Mah

ogany selected for colour should match the rest of the interior pretty well I think.  If done well these blocks can actually improve the overall appearance.  You can use either round head, flat head or oval head screws that are left exposed to secure the blocks which makes future removal for inspection very easy.  

James Alton
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Preveza,  Greece

   
On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:43 PM, david bruce <davidcbruce57@...> wrote:

Hi Miles,  Just a thought here.  I also have a small leak there and have temporarily sealed it externally so can not speak to the logistics of the headliner directly.  Liesse has had the entire headliner in all cabins replaced with a lighter white headliner which really serves to open and brighten the spaces. If you are doing an entire space i personally might take the opportunity to go lighter.  I haven t tackled a true leak repair yet largely because it looks like i will have to in some way mar this really nice headliner, but know i m just kicking the can down the road here.

Best, 
Dave 
Liesse
SN006
On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:02 PM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:



Hello 

A leak on the stainless grab rails on the aft cabin top has lead to some discolouration of the headliner during previous ownership. 

I’m hoping to leave the Headliner trim on the vertical window sections in place as it’s not stained at all but also I can’t see any easy way of removing this other than taking the windows out to expose, I presume, hidden screws that hold internal ply backing in place. 

Has anyone tried this ?

I’m considering not gluing new headliner directly but instead templating thin ply then covering this and screwing the ply sections to the roof. Hopefully this will work ok 🤞

Also does anyone have any experience of a good headliner match for the vintage Maramus ?

Many thanks in advance

Miles 
Maramu 162






Miles <milesbernie@...>
 

Thanks guys
I’ll let you know how I get on
Cheers
Miles

James Alton
 

Dave,

   It would be a pleasure to connect with you if the timing works out.    We are also at Cleopatra.  We could be back as early as Feb. as we would like to sail the Agean and perhaps to Turkey outside of the Meltimi season and when there hopefully will not be so many charter boats!   Unfortunately I cannot say for sure since depending on work it could be as late as June.   You are welcome to drop me an email ( Lokiyawl2@...) anytime to try and coordinate something. We may even be on the same row since there is another Amel just a few boats over from us that might be a SN.  Due to some rescheduling and the rush of putting the boat away there wasn’t much time left over to explore unfortunately.  If you find my boat before I return let me know and I will do the same.

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Oct 30, 2019, at 4:25 PM, david bruce <davidcbruce57@...> wrote:

Hi James,  I would defer to Craig and Ian regarding the headliner replacement project since Liesse had this done professionally when we bought her.  I appreciate your suggestion regarding the trim pieces after accessing the bolts, will consider that.  BTW we are at Cleopatra this winter, will be back in late April, early May, if you are still there we should connect.  Best,  Dave


On Oct 29, 2019, at 5:45 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Dave,

   I would like to eventually replace the entire liner in my boat as well so am curious about how the job went?  The flat areas of the overhead look pretty straight forward but what about the areas such as the pass thru which are a compound shape?  What techniques did you use to get the fabric to fit the compound shape and have you had any problems?   I would also like to identify the best adhesive to use for the job.   I like your idea of going with a lighter colour.  

   If you can positively identify the location of the handrail bolts, you can cover your cuts through the liner for access by using varnished wooden blocks that will also allow future access.   African Mah

ogany selected for colour should match the rest of the interior pretty well I think.  If done well these blocks can actually improve the overall appearance.  You can use either round head, flat head or oval head screws that are left exposed to secure the blocks which makes future removal for inspection very easy.  

James Alton
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Preveza,  Greece

   
On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:43 PM, david bruce <davidcbruce57@...> wrote:

Hi Miles,  Just a thought here.  I also have a small leak there and have temporarily sealed it externally so can not speak to the logistics of the headliner directly.  Liesse has had the entire headliner in all cabins replaced with a lighter white headliner which really serves to open and brighten the spaces. If you are doing an entire space i personally might take the opportunity to go lighter.  I haven t tackled a true leak repair yet largely because it looks like i will have to in some way mar this really nice headliner, but know i m just kicking the can down the road here.

Best, 
Dave 
Liesse
SN006
On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:02 PM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:



Hello 

A leak on the stainless grab rails on the aft cabin top has lead to some discolouration of the headliner during previous ownership. 

I’m hoping to leave the Headliner trim on the vertical window sections in place as it’s not stained at all but also I can’t see any easy way of removing this other than taking the windows out to expose, I presume, hidden screws that hold internal ply backing in place. 

Has anyone tried this ?

I’m considering not gluing new headliner directly but instead templating thin ply then covering this and screwing the ply sections to the roof. Hopefully this will work ok 🤞

Also does anyone have any experience of a good headliner match for the vintage Maramus ?

Many thanks in advance

Miles 
Maramu 162







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