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Amel 54 Emergency Tiller Storage Location

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Hi all,

 

For the A54 I have yet to hear of any successful remedy to the problem of emergency tiller storage, and so far mine has been lying at the bottom of the stern lazarette which is far from ideal. Having just tried to figure out a good place I can see that on the narrow shelf top forward part of the stern lazarette there is a good place (see attached photo) but it needs something to keep in in place. Does any one know how thick the GRP is there before I start drilling?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Teun BAAS
 

Paul,

 

That’s where mine is – kept in place with some clips. I use the emergency tiller to bungee cord fishing rods, brooms etc. in place.

 

Best Regards Teun

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January 21, 2020 12:47:50

 

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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 12:45
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Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel 54 Emergency Tiller Storage Location

 

Hi all,

 

For the A54 I have yet to hear of any successful remedy to the problem of emergency tiller storage, and so far mine has been lying at the bottom of the stern lazarette which is far from ideal. Having just tried to figure out a good place I can see that on the narrow shelf top forward part of the stern lazarette there is a good place (see attached photo) but it needs something to keep in in place. Does any one know how thick the GRP is there before I start drilling?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Paul, I had a SS fabricator build a custom holder. It now hangs horizontally at the top of forward face of the aft lazarette. 

Easy to reach if ever needed. 

Cheers 

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM 007, NZ

Ps: well sealed too. 


On 22/01/2020, at 8:44 AM, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:



Hi all,

 

For the A54 I have yet to hear of any successful remedy to the problem of emergency tiller storage, and so far mine has been lying at the bottom of the stern lazarette which is far from ideal. Having just tried to figure out a good place I can see that on the narrow shelf top forward part of the stern lazarette there is a good place (see attached photo) but it needs something to keep in in place. Does any one know how thick the GRP is there before I start drilling?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Paul;

 

I did think about this issue. My thoughts were that there are so few cases of the tiller being needed in a 54, as far as my research showed, that the location allocated by Amel would be adequate. In the unlikely event of a steering issue, we would be well motivated to remove the items required to get to the tiller. We may revisit this issue, if we hear sufficient arguments to the contrary.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:45 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel 54 Emergency Tiller Storage Location

 

Hi all,

 

For the A54 I have yet to hear of any successful remedy to the problem of emergency tiller storage, and so far mine has been lying at the bottom of the stern lazarette which is far from ideal. Having just tried to figure out a good place I can see that on the narrow shelf top forward part of the stern lazarette there is a good place (see attached photo) but it needs something to keep in in place. Does any one know how thick the GRP is there before I start drilling?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Peter Forbes
 

On Carango we use the little shelf on the forward bulkhead of the lazarette we drilled through the bulkhead into the rear cabin taking care that we drilled through so the holes were behind the ledge above the head of the double berth and out of sight. it was not too difficult and a works well.

Peter
Carango Amel 54 035
La Rochelle
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 21 Jan 2020, at 21:22, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:



Hi Paul;

 

I did think about this issue. My thoughts were that there are so few cases of the tiller being needed in a 54, as far as my research showed, that the location allocated by Amel would be adequate. In the unlikely event of a steering issue, we would be well motivated to remove the items required to get to the tiller. We may revisit this issue, if we hear sufficient arguments to the contrary.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:45 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel 54 Emergency Tiller Storage Location

 

Hi all,

 

For the A54 I have yet to hear of any successful remedy to the problem of emergency tiller storage, and so far mine has been lying at the bottom of the stern lazarette which is far from ideal. Having just tried to figure out a good place I can see that on the narrow shelf top forward part of the stern lazarette there is a good place (see attached photo) but it needs something to keep in in place. Does any one know how thick the GRP is there before I start drilling?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Thanks all for the feedback.

 

My idea was to fix a couple of steel bars to prevent them from falling out. These would be mounted just below the lazarette shelf, rotating up to prevent the tiller from falling out. However, I do not know how far into the GRP I can drill, so that info would be useful. Peter, you say you drilled through – how deep? Is it necessary to drill all the way through? And if so at exactly what height?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Forbes
Sent: 21 January 2020 17:32
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel 54 Emergency Tiller Storage Location

 

On Carango we use the little shelf on the forward bulkhead of the lazarette we drilled through the bulkhead into the rear cabin taking care that we drilled through so the holes were behind the ledge above the head of the double berth and out of sight. it was not too difficult and a works well.

 

Peter

Carango Amel 54 035

La Rochelle

00447836 209730

07836 209730



On 21 Jan 2020, at 21:22, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:



Hi Paul;

 

I did think about this issue. My thoughts were that there are so few cases of the tiller being needed in a 54, as far as my research showed, that the location allocated by Amel would be adequate. In the unlikely event of a steering issue, we would be well motivated to remove the items required to get to the tiller. We may revisit this issue, if we hear sufficient arguments to the contrary.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:45 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel 54 Emergency Tiller Storage Location

 

Hi all,

 

For the A54 I have yet to hear of any successful remedy to the problem of emergency tiller storage, and so far mine has been lying at the bottom of the stern lazarette which is far from ideal. Having just tried to figure out a good place I can see that on the narrow shelf top forward part of the stern lazarette there is a good place (see attached photo) but it needs something to keep in in place. Does any one know how thick the GRP is there before I start drilling?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Cheers
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Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


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Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Peter Forbes
 

Paul,

We drilled right through and put a small (1mm) bolt through with washers each side  and we sealed it [so very small hole]. As to the height - I am not on board and will not be until May but it is not difficult to measure from inside and calculate the height for the hole.

When I’m on board again I can measure up from the sole of the lazerette but I expect you will have done it by then.

The bolt holds a canvas type pair of straps and the steering gear is held tight.

Peter

Peter Forbes
Carango Amel 54 035
La Rochelle
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 22 Jan 2020, at 04:54, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:



Thanks all for the feedback.

 

My idea was to fix a couple of steel bars to prevent them from falling out. These would be mounted just below the lazarette shelf, rotating up to prevent the tiller from falling out. However, I do not know how far into the GRP I can drill, so that info would be useful. Peter, you say you drilled through – how deep? Is it necessary to drill all the way through? And if so at exactly what height?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Forbes
Sent: 21 January 2020 17:32
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel 54 Emergency Tiller Storage Location

 

On Carango we use the little shelf on the forward bulkhead of the lazarette we drilled through the bulkhead into the rear cabin taking care that we drilled through so the holes were behind the ledge above the head of the double berth and out of sight. it was not too difficult and a works well.

 

Peter

Carango Amel 54 035

La Rochelle

00447836 209730

07836 209730



On 21 Jan 2020, at 21:22, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:



Hi Paul;

 

I did think about this issue. My thoughts were that there are so few cases of the tiller being needed in a 54, as far as my research showed, that the location allocated by Amel would be adequate. In the unlikely event of a steering issue, we would be well motivated to remove the items required to get to the tiller. We may revisit this issue, if we hear sufficient arguments to the contrary.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:45 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel 54 Emergency Tiller Storage Location

 

Hi all,

 

For the A54 I have yet to hear of any successful remedy to the problem of emergency tiller storage, and so far mine has been lying at the bottom of the stern lazarette which is far from ideal. Having just tried to figure out a good place I can see that on the narrow shelf top forward part of the stern lazarette there is a good place (see attached photo) but it needs something to keep in in place. Does any one know how thick the GRP is there before I start drilling?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


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Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Paul,

I used a piece of pontoon wood (whatever that hard-wood is called) and cut strips of 30-40 cm from it. I then put these on the bulkhead vertically so they would create a hook to prevent the emergency tiller falling off the small ledge.
The bulkhead is not very thick, 12 mm or so. So to fix the wood I used screws of only 10 mm sticking out of the pontoon wood. To make sure the things would hold I put 3M 5200 compound between the bulkhead and the wood. So the screws were more there to keep the wood in place during the setting of the 5200. Make sure you sand and de-grease the surface of the bulkhead at the point of attachment. 3M 5200 is incredibly strong so I have no worries about detaching. It has been fine for 1.5 years now. I also put some small blocks of wood on the ledge at either end of the tiller to prevent it from sliding left or right. I can make a picture if you want.

Cheers,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Arno,

 

Many thanks for that. I was intending to do something along those lines. A photo would be good if you don’t mind. I may struggle to find 5200 here in Cariacou so it may have to wait a bit. I am surprised that Amel did not design a way to stow the tiller in that obvious location!

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arno Luijten
Sent: 22 January 2020 10:25
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel 54 Emergency Tiller Storage Location

 

Hi Paul,

I used a piece of pontoon wood (whatever that hard-wood is called) and cut strips of 30-40 cm from it. I then put these on the bulkhead vertically so they would create a hook to prevent the emergency tiller falling off the small ledge.
The bulkhead is not very thick, 12 mm or so. So to fix the wood I used screws of only 10 mm sticking out of the pontoon wood. To make sure the things would hold I put 3M 5200 compound between the bulkhead and the wood. So the screws were more there to keep the wood in place during the setting of the 5200. Make sure you sand and de-grease the surface of the bulkhead at the point of attachment. 3M 5200 is incredibly strong so I have no worries about detaching. It has been fine for 1.5 years now. I also put some small blocks of wood on the ledge at either end of the tiller to prevent it from sliding left or right. I can make a picture if you want.

Cheers,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Paul,

Please find the enclosed pictures. I still need to paint them...

I have painted the vertical part of the emergency tiller black because it was not looking well anymore, the galvanization had given up before I bought the boat.
There are four "hooks" in total. The two central ones have this Blue-Marine straps mounted to hold the dingy-paddles.
On the far end you can just make out one of our folding bikes (Brompton) that are standing on a wooden support structure I made in the locker to make it a bit more organized.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Ha ha, you have described our lazarette! Thanks, Arno, good stuff and looks like a good solution to me which I will implement.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arno Luijten
Sent: 24 January 2020 21:51
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel 54 Emergency Tiller Storage Location

 

Hi Paul,

Please find the enclosed pictures. I still need to paint them...

I have painted the vertical part of the emergency tiller black because it was not looking well anymore, the galvanization had given up before I bought the boat.
There are four "hooks" in total. The two central ones have this Blue-Marine straps mounted to hold the dingy-paddles.
On the far end you can just make out one of our folding bikes (Brompton) that are standing on a wooden support structure I made in the locker to make it a bit more organized.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121



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Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98