Topics

through hull forard head


Randall Walker
 

Has anyone had a 90 degree shut off valve fail to turn. The handle turns but nothing flows. I hope I have a clog/blockage near the shutoff. But it may be the pin from the handle to the ball have separated. for now I will just do pump outs, but was wondering if this has happened to anyone else. I don't know how anything could plug this but you never know what is in there.
Randall
A54 #56


 

You should be able to remove the handle, then turn with an appropriate size wrench. The stud that the not is screwed onto is flat on 2 sides. Below is a photo of the valve in the front head on a 54.
image.png

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar
cloudHQPowered by
cloudHQ


On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 10:59 AM Randall Walker <sailingalbedo@...> wrote:
Has anyone had a 90 degree shut off valve fail to turn. The handle turns but nothing flows. I hope I have a clog/blockage near the shutoff. But it may be the pin from the handle to the ball have separated. for now I will just do pump outs, but was wondering if this has happened to anyone else. I don't know how anything could plug this but you never know what is in there.
Randall
A54 #56


 

Here is a photo of the aft black water valve:
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar
cloudHQPowered by
cloudHQ


On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 11:19 AM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
You should be able to remove the handle, then turn with an appropriate size wrench. The stud that the not is screwed onto is flat on 2 sides. Below is a photo of the valve in the front head on a 54.
image.png

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar
cloudHQPowered by
cloudHQ


On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 10:59 AM Randall Walker <sailingalbedo@...> wrote:
Has anyone had a 90 degree shut off valve fail to turn. The handle turns but nothing flows. I hope I have a clog/blockage near the shutoff. But it may be the pin from the handle to the ball have separated. for now I will just do pump outs, but was wondering if this has happened to anyone else. I don't know how anything could plug this but you never know what is in there.
Randall
A54 #56


Randall Walker
 

Hello Bill,

Yes that is the culprit. But the shaft seems to move. But nothing drains. I haven't heard of the shaft separating from the ball, but stranger things have happened. My next thing to try is to see if I can run a stick into the drain hole from outside. having to change out that valve will be a nasty job.

Thanks Bill see you one day in the sunny Caribe.
Randall

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:19 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
You should be able to remove the handle, then turn with an appropriate size wrench. The stud that the not is screwed onto is flat on 2 sides. Below is a photo of the valve in the front head on a 54.
image.png

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar
cloudHQPowered by
cloudHQ


On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 10:59 AM Randall Walker <sailingalbedo@...> wrote:
Has anyone had a 90 degree shut off valve fail to turn. The handle turns but nothing flows. I hope I have a clog/blockage near the shutoff. But it may be the pin from the handle to the ball have separated. for now I will just do pump outs, but was wondering if this has happened to anyone else. I don't know how anything could plug this but you never know what is in there.
Randall
A54 #56


Ian Park
 

Suggest putting in off position. Remove hose. Then gently turn on. If water flows something may be blocking the hose. 
Saves diving under boat as a first option. 

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


On 5 Mar 2020, at 17:59, Randall Walker <sailingalbedo@...> wrote:

Has anyone had a 90 degree shut off valve fail to turn. The handle turns but nothing flows. I hope I have a clog/blockage near the shutoff. But it may be the pin from the handle to the ball have separated. for now I will just do pump outs, but was wondering if this has happened to anyone else. I don't know how anything could plug this but you never know what is in there.
Randall
A54 #56


Randall Walker
 

Ian,
That hose has been heat treated over 13 yrs its hard as rock and I will have to do a pump out and flush as best I can as there is a 40 litre black water tank, nasty.
The handle moves fine and the shaft inside seems to move also. So either something is in the tank, or the ball is no longer attached to the handle.
Ah the joy of boating. Nothing cheap, nothing easy.

Cheers,
Randall

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:58 PM Ian <parkianj@...> wrote:
Suggest putting in off position. Remove hose. Then gently turn on. If water flows something may be blocking the hose. 
Saves diving under boat as a first option. 

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


On 5 Mar 2020, at 17:59, Randall Walker <sailingalbedo@...> wrote:

Has anyone had a 90 degree shut off valve fail to turn. The handle turns but nothing flows. I hope I have a clog/blockage near the shutoff. But it may be the pin from the handle to the ball have separated. for now I will just do pump outs, but was wondering if this has happened to anyone else. I don't know how anything could plug this but you never know what is in there.
Randall
A54 #56


Courtney Gorman
 

Randall
Before you go to all the trouble of pumping out why not try and run a snake from the through hull back up would be an easy fix if it is just plugged


-----Original Message-----
From: Randall <sailingalbedo@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Mar 5, 2020 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] through hull forard head

Ian,
That hose has been heat treated over 13 yrs its hard as rock and I will have to do a pump out and flush as best I can as there is a 40 litre black water tank, nasty.
The handle moves fine and the shaft inside seems to move also. So either something is in the tank, or the ball is no longer attached to the handle.
Ah the joy of boating. Nothing cheap, nothing easy.

Cheers,
Randall

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:58 PM Ian <parkianj@...> wrote:
Suggest putting in off position. Remove hose. Then gently turn on. If water flows something may be blocking the hose. 
Saves diving under boat as a first option. 

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


On 5 Mar 2020, at 17:59, Randall Walker <sailingalbedo@...> wrote:

Has anyone had a 90 degree shut off valve fail to turn. The handle turns but nothing flows. I hope I have a clog/blockage near the shutoff. But it may be the pin from the handle to the ball have separated. for now I will just do pump outs, but was wondering if this has happened to anyone else. I don't know how anything could plug this but you never know what is in there.
Randall
A54 #56


David Kurtz
 

I have the same issue with my forward head.  That valve is a mother once it gets stuck.  I had my nephew on board and he has arms like tree trunks.  Could not break it loose, even with a longer breaker bar.  Only option left is a new $100 valve.  And now I exercise those through-hulls regularly!
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Randall Walker
 

Thanks Courtney,
That will be my next test.

Randall

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 7:38 PM Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Randall
Before you go to all the trouble of pumping out why not try and run a snake from the through hull back up would be an easy fix if it is just plugged


-----Original Message-----
From: Randall <sailingalbedo@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Mar 5, 2020 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] through hull forard head

Ian,
That hose has been heat treated over 13 yrs its hard as rock and I will have to do a pump out and flush as best I can as there is a 40 litre black water tank, nasty.
The handle moves fine and the shaft inside seems to move also. So either something is in the tank, or the ball is no longer attached to the handle.
Ah the joy of boating. Nothing cheap, nothing easy.

Cheers,
Randall

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:58 PM Ian <parkianj@...> wrote:
Suggest putting in off position. Remove hose. Then gently turn on. If water flows something may be blocking the hose. 
Saves diving under boat as a first option. 

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


On 5 Mar 2020, at 17:59, Randall Walker <sailingalbedo@...> wrote:

Has anyone had a 90 degree shut off valve fail to turn. The handle turns but nothing flows. I hope I have a clog/blockage near the shutoff. But it may be the pin from the handle to the ball have separated. for now I will just do pump outs, but was wondering if this has happened to anyone else. I don't know how anything could plug this but you never know what is in there.
Randall
A54 #56


Randall Walker
 

Dave,
So your handle is seized solid I take it? unscrewing it from the through hull pipe seems to be a challenging task. Little space and lovely odour. I am hoping for a foreign object plugging the 90 valve. fingers crossed.
Randall

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 7:45 PM David Kurtz via Groups.Io <Davidwkurtz=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have the same issue with my forward head.  That valve is a mother once it gets stuck.  I had my nephew on board and he has arms like tree trunks.  Could not break it loose, even with a longer breaker bar.  Only option left is a new $100 valve.  And now I exercise those through-hulls regularly!
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Ian Park
 

I just love when the heads stop working.  Not sure if it’s good to have two of them to look after, but at least it keeps the bucket clean !
Ian


On 5 Mar 2020, at 19:35, Randall <sailingalbedo@...> wrote:


Ian,
That hose has been heat treated over 13 yrs its hard as rock and I will have to do a pump out and flush as best I can as there is a 40 litre black water tank, nasty.
The handle moves fine and the shaft inside seems to move also. So either something is in the tank, or the ball is no longer attached to the handle.
Ah the joy of boating. Nothing cheap, nothing easy.

Cheers,
Randall

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:58 PM Ian <parkianj@...> wrote:
Suggest putting in off position. Remove hose. Then gently turn on. If water flows something may be blocking the hose. 
Saves diving under boat as a first option. 

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


On 5 Mar 2020, at 17:59, Randall Walker <sailingalbedo@...> wrote:

Has anyone had a 90 degree shut off valve fail to turn. The handle turns but nothing flows. I hope I have a clog/blockage near the shutoff. But it may be the pin from the handle to the ball have separated. for now I will just do pump outs, but was wondering if this has happened to anyone else. I don't know how anything could plug this but you never know what is in there.
Randall
A54 #56


Wolfgang Weber
 

The opening on the deck is just vertical over the valve and outlet.
Try with a wooden or plastic stick to reach the valve. Its probably blocked inside.
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162





Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi.

In 2010 at the Annapolis boat show 5 or six amel crews gathered on one SM. Main topic. Unblocking heads. Prevention is better than a cure. Long flushes every time prevents salt buildup in the pipes and regular on and off of the holding tank valve to stop it sticking and most problems are delayed if not eliminated.

Regsrds

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 06 March 2020 at 08:44 Ian <parkianj@...> wrote:

I just love when the heads stop working.  Not sure if it’s good to have two of them to look after, but at least it keeps the bucket clean !
Ian

 

On 5 Mar 2020, at 19:35, Randall <sailingalbedo@...> wrote:

Ian,
That hose has been heat treated over 13 yrs its hard as rock and I will have to do a pump out and flush as best I can as there is a 40 litre black water tank, nasty.
The handle moves fine and the shaft inside seems to move also. So either something is in the tank, or the ball is no longer attached to the handle.
Ah the joy of boating. Nothing cheap, nothing easy.

Cheers,
Randall

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:58 PM Ian < parkianj@...> wrote:
Suggest putting in off position. Remove hose. Then gently turn on. If water flows something may be blocking the hose. 
Saves diving under boat as a first option. 

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

 

On 5 Mar 2020, at 17:59, Randall Walker < sailingalbedo@...> wrote:

Has anyone had a 90 degree shut off valve fail to turn. The handle turns but nothing flows. I hope I have a clog/blockage near the shutoff. But it may be the pin from the handle to the ball have separated. for now I will just do pump outs, but was wondering if this has happened to anyone else. I don't know how anything could plug this but you never know what is in there.
Randall
A54 #56

 

 


 


 


Peter Tiner
 

Hi

Don´t want to make you sorry but it is possible and happends.
Many years ago (not on a Amel) i had the shaft separating from the ball. In my case though it was stuck in the open position which was pretty obvious when took off the hose:(
Good luck

\Peter
SY Maiken A54 #52


Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Randall

Wolfgang’s proposal is most likely the solution! I had the same problem on the forward head tank a year a go. 
I unblocked the tank with a wood-stick from the Deck opening and it worked well. Therefore I can confirm that the Valve is exactly vertical above the opening on deck.

Ruedi Waldispuehl
"SY WASABI"
Amel 54 #55, Currently in Sicily
MMSI: 269322000  
Call Sign: HBY3811

Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of "Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io" <webercardio@...>
Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Donnerstag, 5. März 2020 um 21:45
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] through hull forard head

The opening on the deck is just vertical over the valve and outlet.
Try with a wooden or plastic stick to reach the valve. Its probably blocked inside.
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162





Randall Walker
 

were you able to take the valve off in water or when you hauled out?

Randall

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 9:43 AM Peter Tiner <peter.tiner@...> wrote:
Hi

Don´t want to make you sorry but it is possible and happends.
Many years ago (not on a Amel) i had the shaft separating from the ball. In my case though it was stuck in the open position which was pretty obvious when took off the hose:(
Good luck

\Peter
SY Maiken A54 #52


Dominique Guenot
 

In 2015, 2 months after we bought Viva (Hull #374) I realized that the black tank 90 valve was not working: vertical or horizontal same result.
The black tank cannot be closed ... embarrassing. 

A shipyard in Italy replaced the valve while the boat was in the water: I cleared the idea with Michel Charpentier. 

Finally, Bill Rouse suggested to grease the valve from under while the boat is on the hard.
It is very effective, I added it to the to the "On the hard check list"

Hope it helps 
Dominique Guenot 
sv Viva 
Papeete, French Polynesia