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I have had pvc pipe on the forward and main shrouds of every boat I've had.
Chafe is one of your worst enemies. We have hove-to on Elyse on a number of occasions. Most major between NZ and the Australs heading for Tahiti, a depreesion moved at high speed south from Fiji and we were caught in huge seas and 60+ knots. Elyse has a staysail on an inner forestay, which we were using at the time. We furled the main (genoa was already furled), tacked and hove to with the staysail and backed mizzen (known as jib and jigger), adjusted the wheel to keep her just forereaching and went below. She stayed like that all night, we had showers, hot food and SLEEP. In the morning the seas had died down a little, wind was down to 40 knots. We undid the wheel, got back on course and carried on. Everyone should know how to make their boat heave-to. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437 |
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Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi, I undid the front lower shroud and threaded on a length of 20mm pvc water pipe on each side It is there permanently. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl On 21 June 2020 at 13:21 "karkauai via groups.io" <karkauai@...> wrote: |
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Good advice, Mark, I forgot Todo that and have to replace that sheet now. Kent On Jun 19, 2020 6:58 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:
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Great discussion. Thank you!
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Kent and Iris, where do you carry your dinghy? Forward? Our 9.5 foot is upside down on the aft cabin roof, the poop deck. There’s a good bit of windage. I’d imagine we’d use less mizzen then. How does the dinghy affect things? In our 20k miles I’ve never gotten our boat to slide backwards when hove to. We always forreach a bit. I’d love to get that slick out front. Thanks for the great discussion. Porter IBIS A54-152. On Jun 19, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL via groups.io <sangaris@...> wrote:
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Yes. Sorry – not sure where my mind went - again
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
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Hi Mark,
Not sure I understand positioning the chafe protection over the "forward main halyard". Did you maybe mean the "forward lower shroud"? Cheers |
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Kent and Iris,
Great info!
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
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Hi Paul, Every boat is going to be a little different depending on load distribution (center of lateral resistance) and even sail shape (center if effort). That's what works on Kristy and should be a pretty good place to start with most Amel SuperMaramus. I haven't tried it on a SN or A54.
I generally start with the sails furled as if I were sailing in the maximum wind I expect. I recommend trying it in 15-20 kts until you know how your boat will react so you don't have to make too many adjustments in big breaking seas.
Where ever you start, if you are pointing too high, try adding a bit of jib or reducing the amount of Mizzen. If you are falling off, reduce jib and/or let more Mizzen out. Once you are between 80 & 90 deg off the wind, if you are still sailing out if the slick, bring the Mizzen traveler upwind some more and)or sheet the Genoa in a bit. You'll probably have to fall off and jibe to make changes in very high winds, then heave-to again.
If you are sailing short-handed and just need some rest, or a hot meal, or need to wait for sunrise before entering an unknown harbor, this calms everything down dramatically. I don't like to bash tacking upwind in steep seas, just don't make enough headway to be worth the wear and tear, so if I expect the wind to shift in a day or two, I heave-to and sail again when it's not so hard on the boat and crew.
I haven't hove-to in anything bigger than 12-15' seas, but I think it should be a pretty good technique in up to 60kts)20ft seas. After that running with a warp or drogue may be a better approach.
Have fun with it, l bet you'll find that you use it more often than you anticipate. Kent and Iris Kristy SM 243
On Jun 19, 2020 9:08 AM, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
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Kent,
That is an excellent explanation, and one presumably specific to Amel ketches?
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
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That's correct Victor. A bit less than we were sailing with before we hove to, because the winds were picking up. Leave the jib sheeted in and tack without changing jib sheets (backwind the jib) then turn the helm hard upwind and tie it off there. Then go aft and bring the Mizzen traveler up at least half way to windward. You may have to experiment with how much jib and Mizzen you have out, and how much the Mizzen traveler needs to be brought upwind. I never could make Kristy slide directly downwind with theain out even a little...she always sailed forward out of the slick at 1-2 kts. Kent Kristy SM 243
On Jun 18, 2020 4:01 PM, VICTOR MOLERO <victor.moleroxx@...> wrote:
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Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Kent, again a good description of wise seamanship. Thanks Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl On 20 June 2020 at 04:45 "karkauai via groups.io" <karkauai@...> wrote: |
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Hi Paul, Every boat is going to be a little different depending on load distribution (center of lateral resistance) and even sail shape (center if effort). That's what works on Kristy and should be a pretty good place to start with most Amel SuperMaramus. I haven't tried it on a SN or A54. I generally start with the sails furled as if I were sailing in the maximum wind I expect. I recommend trying it in 15-20 kts until you know how your boat will react so you don't have to make too many adjustments in big breaking seas. Where ever you start, if you are pointing too high, try adding a bit of jib or reducing the amount of Mizzen. If you are falling off, reduce jib and/or let more Mizzen out. Once you are between 80 & 90 deg off the wind, if you are still sailing out if the slick, bring the Mizzen traveler upwind some more and)or sheet the Genoa in a bit. You'll probably have to fall off and jibe to make changes in very high winds, then heave-to again. If you are sailing short-handed and just need some rest, or a hot meal, or need to wait for sunrise before entering an unknown harbor, this calms everything down dramatically. I don't like to bash tacking upwind in steep seas, just don't make enough headway to be worth the wear and tear, so if I expect the wind to shift in a day or two, I heave-to and sail again when it's not so hard on the boat and crew. I haven't hove-to in anything bigger than 12-15' seas, but I think it should be a pretty good technique in up to 60kts)20ft seas. After that running with a warp or drogue may be a better approach. Have fun with it, l bet you'll find that you use it more often than you anticipate. Kent and Iris Kristy SM 243 On Jun 19, 2020 9:08 AM, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:
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Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
Kent,
That is an excellent explanation, and one presumably specific to Amel ketches?
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
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Sent: 19 June 2020 00:33 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heave-to
That's correct Victor. A bit less than we were sailing with before we hove to, because the winds were picking up. Leave the jib sheeted in and tack without changing jib sheets (backwind the jib) then turn the helm hard upwind and tie it off there. Then go aft and bring the Mizzen traveler up at least half way to windward. You may have to experiment with how much jib and Mizzen you have out, and how much the Mizzen traveler needs to be brought upwind. I never could make Kristy slide directly downwind with theain out even a little...she always sailed forward out of the slick at 1-2 kts. Kent Kristy SM 243
On Jun 18, 2020 4:01 PM, VICTOR MOLERO <victor.moleroxx@...> wrote:
-- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 |
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I really appreciate the explanation, Kent. I think that this is a fundamental piece of knowledge that is seldom explained as clear. Thanks again. Victor SM#314 Alendoy |
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That's correct Victor. A bit less than we were sailing with before we hove to, because the winds were picking up. Leave the jib sheeted in and tack without changing jib sheets (backwind the jib) then turn the helm hard upwind and tie it off there. Then go aft and bring the Mizzen traveler up at least half way to windward. You may have to experiment with how much jib and Mizzen you have out, and how much the Mizzen traveler needs to be brought upwind. I never could make Kristy slide directly downwind with theain out even a little...she always sailed forward out of the slick at 1-2 kts. Kent Kristy SM 243 On Jun 18, 2020 4:01 PM, VICTOR MOLERO <victor.moleroxx@...> wrote:
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Hello Ken and Iris. I am very interested in the heave to operation. I understand from your mail that you only used a bit of jib, a third of the mizzen and the main down. Is this correct? Thank you in advance. Victor SM #314 Alendoy |
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Hello Ken and Iris. I am very interested in the heave to operation. I understand from your mail that you only used a bit of jib, a third of the mizzen and the main down. Is this correct? Thank you in advance. Victor SM #314 Alendoy
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Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Kent, that sounds like good seamanship. Danny SM 200 Ocean Pearl On 19 June 2020 at 00:52 "karkauai via groups.io" <karkauai@...> wrote: |
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We hove-to three times this Spring before crossing the Stream. Each time 35+kts from the N, 8-10 ft seas. She heaves-to like a dream, slipping directly downwind with the upwind slick preventing waves from breaking on the side of the boat. Only two small waves slapped us on the beam in a total of 180 hours hove-to. Able to sleep, cook, read. Then crossed the Stream in 10-15kts from the SE. In 35+ kts I have a handkerchief of jib and about a third of the Mizzen out with the Mizzen traveler halfway up the windward side. If you haven't experimented it's well worth your time to get a feel for it. Kent and Iris Kristy SM243 On Jun 17, 2020 9:48 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
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