Running back stays on A54
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David Crisp
Having previously had a Super Maramu one of the attractions of getting an A54 was the staysail. Unfortunately I can't find any information on the correct way to rig the running back stays. What information there is is for an A55, which from what I can see, has a different deck layout to a A54. Below is a photo of the rig I've devised using some blocks with soft shackles left by the previous owner which seem perfect for the job. I've attached the block to the mooring cleat on the assumption the loops at the base of the stanchion may not be man enough.
Any comments/suggestions from experienced A54 owners?  -- David Crisp SV Wilna Grace Amel 54 #58
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Hi David I have a triangular loop at the base of one of my supports for the safety rail about halfway between the small winch and the stern where I hook the pulley then run it to the winch as you have.
What you have done will definitely work
Cheers
Courtney
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From: David Crisp <david@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2020 9:05 am Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Running back stays on A54 Having previously had a Super Maramu one of the attractions of getting an A54 was the staysail. Unfortunately I can't find any information on the correct way to rig the running back stays. What information there is is for an A55, which from what I can see, has a different deck layout to a A54. Below is a photo of the rig I've devised using some blocks with soft shackles left by the previous owner which seem perfect for the job. I've attached the block to the mooring cleat on the assumption the loops at the base of the stanchion may not be man enough.
Any comments/suggestions from experienced A54 owners?  -- David Crisp SV Wilna Grace Amel 54 #58
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I have always wondered why Amel left this out of the Amel 54 manuals. There is not really anything in the 55 or 50 either. I suggest using this point (blue circle 1st photo below) and rigging two opposing blocks with 2:1 purchase (one with cam cleats - 2nd photo below), just like your Mizzen Boom Preventer. This leaves the smaller winch available to use.  A pair of these will make your life easy:  Neither the 54 Users nor Owners manuals say anything about the running backstays. I found this little note that memorializes the confidence Amel had of the Bamar furlers: "The jib furling and the staysail (option) system don’t need any maintenance." I am not sure that statement was accurate, and I did not find a similar statement of Reckmann for the 55 or ProFurl for the 50. Things change. There is no photo of running backstay rigging in the 55 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed." There is no photo of backstay rigging in the Amel 50 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed. Do not navigate under the genoa only." Maybe the above helps. Bill
On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:06 AM David Crisp <david@...> wrote: Having previously had a Super Maramu one of the attractions of getting an A54 was the staysail. Unfortunately I can't find any information on the correct way to rig the running back stays. What information there is is for an A55, which from what I can see, has a different deck layout to a A54. Below is a photo of the rig I've devised using some blocks with soft shackles left by the previous owner which seem perfect for the job. I've attached the block to the mooring cleat on the assumption the loops at the base of the stanchion may not be man enough.
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David Crisp
Thanks Bill,
The two blocks, great suggestion, I like it. -- David Crisp SV Wilna Grace Amel 54 #58
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Porter McRoberts
Joerg
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Thank you for the suggestion. I’ll try it, but knowing those knots will never come out I want to make sure I’ve got them in the right place. How far up the back stay from the snatch block is the knot? Many thanks Porter A54-152 Porter McRoberts S/V IBIS WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206Www.fouribis.net
On Aug 25, 2020, at 6:01 AM, David Crisp <david@...> wrote:
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The way my running backstays are rigged seems fairly handy to me.
The backstay is made from aramide/kevlar sheet with extreme little stretch. When not in use the sheet comes down from the mast to a little piece of string tied to the end of the Genua-rail ( see picture1). Originally it was just tied, but I put an old fashioned hanking hook from an old jib to the piece of string so I can click it over the backstay. Storing it like this means it is out of the way when walking on the side-deck.  From there the backstay runs to the back of the boat to a block at the same place as where the Genua-sheet turning block resides. See picture 2 (best I have)  Directly after the block there is a knot in the backstay, so it cannot escape the block. When you want to use the staysail in stronger winds (12+ knots) you unhook the hanking hook and pull the knot at the end of the backstay untill you can use the tail to put it on the small winch. Pull the backstay tight with a little tension on it, using the winch. Now you can deploy the staysail. The sheet for the staysail will use the winch at the other side so there is no conflict at winch utilization. You don't use the lee-side backstay as it can/will rub the main sail. Hope this is clear.... Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna A54-121
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Arno,
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Good solution for the running backstays, I use mine a lot because I love flying the staysail, and much like my own. I agree entirely I wouldn’t want to be a member of a club which would have me as a member but this forum is, in my opinion, excellent thanks to so many great Amel sailors topped off by the brilliance of Bill Rouse and Joel Potter. peter Peter Forbes The Old Rectory Farnham Blandford DT11 8 DE 00447836 209730 07836 209730
On 25 Aug 2020, at 23:21, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
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Joerg Esdorn
About 1.5 m above the block and tackle used to store the runners. I would start by using duct tape to tape some old line to the runners and see whether it makes a difference. You are correct that it’s not possible to get those knots back out once you have used the runners with them in earnest.
Joerg
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Thank's Arno, Really appreciate your post with explanation and photos. I get so much from this forum. Very Best Barry and Penny "SV Lady Penelope II" Amel 54. #17 Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique
On Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 9:36:32 AM EDT, Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313@...> wrote:
About 1.5 m above the block and tackle used to store the runners. I would start by using duct tape to tape some old line to the runners and see whether it makes a difference. You are correct that it’s not possible to get those knots back out once you have used the runners with them in earnest. Joerg
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Porter McRoberts
Thank you Joerg.
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Great description. I’m going to try it out! Really appreciated Porter Porter McRoberts S/V IBIS WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206Www.fouribis.net
On Aug 26, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry@...> wrote:
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amelforme
Peter, I’ll send you that 20 quid I promised.
Sorry that it looks like our pub lunch in the splendid English summertime will have to wait another year.
Everybody say a prayer for Bill Rouse. Hurricane Laura may not be kind to Galveston Texas tonight.
All the best, Joel
JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C. The Experienced AMEL Guy UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE Office 954-462-5869 Cell 954-812-2485
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Forbes
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:41 AM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Running back stays on A54
Arno,
Good solution for the running backstays, I use mine a lot because I love flying the staysail, and much like my own.
I agree entirely I wouldn’t want to be a member of a club which would have me as a member but this forum is, in my opinion, excellent thanks to so many great Amel sailors topped off by the brilliance of Bill Rouse and Joel Potter.
peter Peter Forbes The Old Rectory Farnham Blandford DT11 8 DE 00447836 209730 07836 209730
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Joel, We will meet for sure - keep in touch. I can’t sell my Amel 54 I love her too much. Peter
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 18:12, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:
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Hi Arno, Bill’s solution could be also working well but I’m afraid there will be too much stretch to give the mast a good support.
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amelforme
Peter, my Amel 54 # 14 was the best and most satisfying boat I have ever owned. The only thing worse than selling it would have been keeping it but not being able to enjoy it in the manner it was intended for. I still like working at selling all the good used Amels I can find which gets harder every year, especially the ‘good’ part. The guy who owns it now gives it plenty of the two things boats like best, exercise and maintenance. We remain friends so all’s well that ends well.
All the best, Joel
JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C. The Experienced AMEL Guy UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE Office 954-462-5869 Cell 954-812-2485
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Forbes
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:24 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Running back stays on A54
Joel,
We will meet for sure - keep in touch.
I can’t sell my Amel 54 I love her too much.
Peter
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 18:12, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:
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Sv Garulfo
On Garulfo, we have a variation of Arno’s solution with a knot instead of the hook and a small block to lead the tie (black and white in the pic) back to a cleat near the cockpit.  Thomas GARULFO A54-122 Raiatea, French Polynesia
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 09:51, Laurens Vos <laurensrineke@...> wrote:
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Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
Hello, It is to be prefered to fix the backstays like David shows on his picture at the cleat or just at the same piont like the gib. As we already got a backstay we are staticaly better up when the backstay attaches as far latteral as possible. The backstay is supposed to compensate latteral forces of the staysail. Oliver from Vela Nautica A54#39 Martinique
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 17:10 Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:
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