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New rub rail inserts


Patrick McAneny
 

I spoke to Joel ,and Amel installed hard plastic inserts on a half dozen or so boats. They do not have the rounded gutter ,more square . I cannot guarantee that the new insert will fit those few boats , it may very well ,but you would need to determine that. There is a question that there may be a horizontal lip protruding out from the inboard side of the boat under the plastic insert, which boats with the normal insert do not have. I now have nine orders , orders will be taken til  9/5 ,the cut off date ,when the orders will be placed . This will probably be the last chance to participate in a group purchase of a new insert, so  if you live in North America, this is a chance to get a new white insert and save approximately $1,600. on shipping and duty.
If outside of N.A. ,contact Maude at Amel , for an insert ,her price is as cheap as I can produce it for here.
Thank You,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2020 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] New rub rail inserts

Hi again, Dave. When you say you've had a couple of cracks in your rub rail inserts, it sounds like you've got a rigid plastic insert.  Eric mentioned that's what he had too. These new inserts are EPDM rubber - not a rigiid plastic and they, by definition, don't crack - they flex.
Nobody has pinned it down definitively, but it seems Amel may have had the rigid plastic at some time. I believe the underlying structure is the same, though, and these new rubber inserts will fit perfectly. Just want you to realize they are flexible rubber, not a hard plastic, 

Cheers, Craig  ---  SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Craig Briggs
 

Hi again, Dave. When you say you've had a couple of cracks in your rub rail inserts, it sounds like you've got a rigid plastic insert.  Eric mentioned that's what he had too. These new inserts are EPDM rubber - not a rigiid plastic and they, by definition, don't crack - they flex.
Nobody has pinned it down definitively, but it seems Amel may have had the rigid plastic at some time. I believe the underlying structure is the same, though, and these new rubber inserts will fit perfectly. Just want you to realize they are flexible rubber, not a hard plastic, 

Cheers, Craig  ---  SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


David Kurtz
 

OK, Pat, I’m in as well.  I had a couple of cracks in my rubrail inserts previously, but the trip through the Erie Canal and 36 locks has been a little rough on the rubrail.  And I accumulated several more cracks in the inserts.  I see your email address in another post so I’ll be in touch regarding details.  And thanks for putting this together!

Regards,
Dave
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


 

Yes, I have seen it. In each case it was traced back to blasting with sand, media and/or very high high water pressure. Yard workers love to crank the pressure up high enough to remove "barnacle glue," rather than scrape.

I do not know that this is what you have. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 11:11 AM Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
I would love to get new rub rails inserts, but stuck in Thailand, and will not get close to the Caribbean for WHO knows when. Currently re-gelcoating the Rub Rail, and Gel Coat for the red boot stripe.  Also sanded Aquarius' bottom down to gel coat.  And, 100 blisters appeared.  I was so scared when I saw all the little bumps, and the person that sanded Aquarius down showed me that it was osmosis by opening one up with a knife.  YUP, osmosis, you can smell it.....  But, how could this be, I have never heard of an Amel with Osmosis.  So, the painters thought that it was going to be a big job, but in the end the osmosis didn't penetrate past the first layer.  So, no big deal!  Fixed all 100 spots in about 4 hours of work.  YES..

The bottoms on Amel's are really bullet proof!

Ken
Aquarius SM#262
Stuck in Thailand


Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

I would love to get new rub rails inserts, but stuck in Thailand, and will not get close to the Caribbean for WHO knows when. Currently re-gelcoating the Rub Rail, and Gel Coat for the red boot stripe.  Also sanded Aquarius' bottom down to gel coat.  And, 100 blisters appeared.  I was so scared when I saw all the little bumps, and the person that sanded Aquarius down showed me that it was osmosis by opening one up with a knife.  YUP, osmosis, you can smell it.....  But, how could this be, I have never heard of an Amel with Osmosis.  So, the painters thought that it was going to be a big job, but in the end the osmosis didn't penetrate past the first layer.  So, no big deal!  Fixed all 100 spots in about 4 hours of work.  YES..

The bottoms on Amel's are really bullet proof!

Ken
Aquarius SM#262
Stuck in Thailand


Patrick McAneny
 

James, It is sailw32@... 


-----Original Message-----
From: James Cromie via groups.io <jamescromie@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2020 12:34 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] New rub rail inserts

Hi Pat - thank you for to your efforts to find the rub rail insert.  I'd like to contact you direct to discuss ordering it - would you please repost your contact, as it didn't seem to be complete in your previous email.

Best,
James
SV Soteria
SM2K. 347
Baranof,
AK

Thanks!

On Aug 28, 2020 6:27 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Joel will not exaggerate! 

Well, Joel does get excited, in a good way, about things dear to him. And, if anyone knows Joel, Amels are very dear to him, and rightfully so! 

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 2:33 PM amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:
Joel would never say something so untrue. A new insert might make the boat sell quicker and for a bit more money, but not 15%.
 Craig, I have told you a billion times not to exaggerate...

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Aug 27, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Just to add minor notes to Pat McAneny's post, this new insert perfectly matches my old SN insert (identical to the SM insert)  and absolutely looks far better in off-white. Being made of EPDM it will stand up to UV and will not chalk up like the originals. They're made by Techno Rubber Industries in Miami and I visited their plant for an "eyes on" - they're a family business that's the "real deal".  You can Google them for a look-see.

Installation is easily accomplished with a spray bottle of water and dish detergent plus a blunt "pusher". I used a hand held 1/4" socket driver (without a socket) as pusher. Here's a pic - the tool is lying on the deck, but anything similar will work - it does take some force to work the inside edge of the insert down against the outside of the cap rail.

It will take you 5 minutes to remove the old insert - just pry up one end and pull - and about an hour per side to install the new.  Amel carved away the bottom section of the originals in the areas of the chainplates and you'll need to copy that on this new one. 

Before installing the new insert,  I'd recommend taking the time to wash out the empty channel as it really accumulates dirt and then clean and wax the hull and rub rail, patching any gelcoat nicks you may have.

I think it will be a super improvement and Joel says to add 15% to your asking price when you sell. (Well, maybe not an exact quote, but, hey!)

Cheers, Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Craig Briggs
 

Hi James,
You can email Pat at sailw32 at aol dot com. 
He and I are coordinating on this so you could also write me at sangaris at aol dot com or just call me on 561.932.9349
Glad to answer any questions.
Craig
--
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


James Cromie
 

Hi Pat - thank you for to your efforts to find the rub rail insert.  I'd like to contact you direct to discuss ordering it - would you please repost your contact, as it didn't seem to be complete in your previous email.

Best,
James
SV Soteria
SM2K. 347
Baranof,
AK

Thanks!

On Aug 28, 2020 6:27 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Joel will not exaggerate! 

Well, Joel does get excited, in a good way, about things dear to him. And, if anyone knows Joel, Amels are very dear to him, and rightfully so! 

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 2:33 PM amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:
Joel would never say something so untrue. A new insert might make the boat sell quicker and for a bit more money, but not 15%.
 Craig, I have told you a billion times not to exaggerate...

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Aug 27, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Just to add minor notes to Pat McAneny's post, this new insert perfectly matches my old SN insert (identical to the SM insert)  and absolutely looks far better in off-white. Being made of EPDM it will stand up to UV and will not chalk up like the originals. They're made by Techno Rubber Industries in Miami and I visited their plant for an "eyes on" - they're a family business that's the "real deal".  You can Google them for a look-see.

Installation is easily accomplished with a spray bottle of water and dish detergent plus a blunt "pusher". I used a hand held 1/4" socket driver (without a socket) as pusher. Here's a pic - the tool is lying on the deck, but anything similar will work - it does take some force to work the inside edge of the insert down against the outside of the cap rail.

It will take you 5 minutes to remove the old insert - just pry up one end and pull - and about an hour per side to install the new.  Amel carved away the bottom section of the originals in the areas of the chainplates and you'll need to copy that on this new one. 

Before installing the new insert,  I'd recommend taking the time to wash out the empty channel as it really accumulates dirt and then clean and wax the hull and rub rail, patching any gelcoat nicks you may have.

I think it will be a super improvement and Joel says to add 15% to your asking price when you sell. (Well, maybe not an exact quote, but, hey!)

Cheers, Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL



 

Joel will not exaggerate! 

Well, Joel does get excited, in a good way, about things dear to him. And, if anyone knows Joel, Amels are very dear to him, and rightfully so! 

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 2:33 PM amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:
Joel would never say something so untrue. A new insert might make the boat sell quicker and for a bit more money, but not 15%.
 Craig, I have told you a billion times not to exaggerate...

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Aug 27, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Just to add minor notes to Pat McAneny's post, this new insert perfectly matches my old SN insert (identical to the SM insert)  and absolutely looks far better in off-white. Being made of EPDM it will stand up to UV and will not chalk up like the originals. They're made by Techno Rubber Industries in Miami and I visited their plant for an "eyes on" - they're a family business that's the "real deal".  You can Google them for a look-see.

Installation is easily accomplished with a spray bottle of water and dish detergent plus a blunt "pusher". I used a hand held 1/4" socket driver (without a socket) as pusher. Here's a pic - the tool is lying on the deck, but anything similar will work - it does take some force to work the inside edge of the insert down against the outside of the cap rail.

It will take you 5 minutes to remove the old insert - just pry up one end and pull - and about an hour per side to install the new.  Amel carved away the bottom section of the originals in the areas of the chainplates and you'll need to copy that on this new one. 

Before installing the new insert,  I'd recommend taking the time to wash out the empty channel as it really accumulates dirt and then clean and wax the hull and rub rail, patching any gelcoat nicks you may have.

I think it will be a super improvement and Joel says to add 15% to your asking price when you sell. (Well, maybe not an exact quote, but, hey!)

Cheers, Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


amelforme
 

Joel would never say something so untrue. A new insert might make the boat sell quicker and for a bit more money, but not 15%.
 Craig, I have told you a billion times not to exaggerate...

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Aug 27, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Just to add minor notes to Pat McAneny's post, this new insert perfectly matches my old SN insert (identical to the SM insert)  and absolutely looks far better in off-white. Being made of EPDM it will stand up to UV and will not chalk up like the originals. They're made by Techno Rubber Industries in Miami and I visited their plant for an "eyes on" - they're a family business that's the "real deal".  You can Google them for a look-see.

Installation is easily accomplished with a spray bottle of water and dish detergent plus a blunt "pusher". I used a hand held 1/4" socket driver (without a socket) as pusher. Here's a pic - the tool is lying on the deck, but anything similar will work - it does take some force to work the inside edge of the insert down against the outside of the cap rail.

It will take you 5 minutes to remove the old insert - just pry up one end and pull - and about an hour per side to install the new.  Amel carved away the bottom section of the originals in the areas of the chainplates and you'll need to copy that on this new one. 

Before installing the new insert,  I'd recommend taking the time to wash out the empty channel as it really accumulates dirt and then clean and wax the hull and rub rail, patching any gelcoat nicks you may have.

I think it will be a super improvement and Joel says to add 15% to your asking price when you sell. (Well, maybe not an exact quote, but, hey!)

Cheers, Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Craig Briggs
 

Just to add minor notes to Pat McAneny's post, this new insert perfectly matches my old SN insert (identical to the SM insert)  and absolutely looks far better in off-white. Being made of EPDM it will stand up to UV and will not chalk up like the originals. They're made by Techno Rubber Industries in Miami and I visited their plant for an "eyes on" - they're a family business that's the "real deal".  You can Google them for a look-see.

Installation is easily accomplished with a spray bottle of water and dish detergent plus a blunt "pusher". I used a hand held 1/4" socket driver (without a socket) as pusher. Here's a pic - the tool is lying on the deck, but anything similar will work - it does take some force to work the inside edge of the insert down against the outside of the cap rail.

It will take you 5 minutes to remove the old insert - just pry up one end and pull - and about an hour per side to install the new.  Amel carved away the bottom section of the originals in the areas of the chainplates and you'll need to copy that on this new one. 

Before installing the new insert,  I'd recommend taking the time to wash out the empty channel as it really accumulates dirt and then clean and wax the hull and rub rail, patching any gelcoat nicks you may have.

I think it will be a super improvement and Joel says to add 15% to your asking price when you sell. (Well, maybe not an exact quote, but, hey!)

Cheers, Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Patrick McAneny
 

In a previous post about a month ago I asked if any owners would like to join in a group buy of new rub rail inserts. I had several responses ,a few from as far as Australia to the Med. I urged them to contact Maud at Amel about purchasing directly from Amel ,as it would probably as cheap or probably cheaper shipping from France . The only reason I decided to have the inserts produced in the US was to save the shipping cost overseas ,which due to the size and weight was going to be approx. $1,600. not including duty. I believe we should support Amel sales when possible. I am pretty sure Amel has the inserts produced by a third party and sells them at a small mark up ,as I was unable to have them produced here any cheaper,actually about the same exact price. The only one making money is the shipping /airlines companies.
Before I and the other owners in the group buy, place our orders ,I thought I would report back to the group now that we have the insert produced to announce a (Last Call ),to see if any other owners would like to join us in purchasing new inserts.
Craig on an SN and I on a SM have both received a two foot sample of the new inserts. We both agree that it is virtually a exact copy of the original ,we both installed it on our boats and it fit perfectly . It is produced in South Florida in a very slightly off white and will be shipped from Miami. The cost is $8.90 /ft. plus approx. $128.00 for the die,which will be reduced by more buyers. For a SM that would be approx. $934. + $128. = $1,062. plus shipping to your destination. I estimated my shipping ,east coast US approx. $200.00
Apparently on newer models of the SM Amel changed the insert somewhat and I cannot say if what we have produced will or will not fit or replace the newer design. Our insert gutter is rounded ,the newer design is sort of more square. I am enclosing pictures of the sample of the new white insert as well as a cross section of my original insert for you to compare against what you now have. This production run is only possible because we have a number of buyers , this purchase is a one off ,so if you are in or close to the US and would like to replace your old inserts ,please contact me direct at sailw32@... . If you are outside of the U.S., I would urge you to contact Maud at Amel to make your purchase. I will wait until Sept. 5 for addition orders ,then the final order will be placed.
Thank You,
Pat McAneny
SM Shenanigans #123