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Dirk Hooff
Hi all,
since yesterday I have an oil pressure problem on my AMEL 54#96. When I go from normal speed to idle, the oil alarm starts. Of course, this doesn´t happen in the port but between the islands in Croatia. My German Volvo expert suspects that the oil is too thin. Diesel has probably gotten into the oil. That´s why I changed the oil. More than 7 liters of very thin oil came out. Then the engine ran again without an oil pressure alarm. But today, when I switched back to idle, the alarm went on again. I appreciate any advice or experiences. Thanks a lot,
Dirk
AMEL 54#96 PÉNÉLOPE Currently Croatia close to Dubrovnik
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You need a Puller it's much safer
but if push comes to shove I hammered mine out with a blank and mini sledge
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From: ngtnewington Newington via groups.io < ngtnewington@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2020 8:52 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Main furling motor and gear on 54
I know this has come up before, but I am servicing the main sail furling motor and worm drive.
It is all well but the top shaft seal should be replaced.
Problem;
Shaft into the worm gear is very tight. Soaked it in diesel for some hours, hesitant to hit it. Plan to find a press to press it out.
Does anyone have a better idea?
Nick
S/Y Amelia
Leros.
AML 55-019
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On one of our older boats we had the same issue and it turned out to be a leaky front seal on the injector pump pumping fuel into the oil.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Oil Pressure Volvo D3 I - C
Hi all,
since yesterday I have an oil pressure problem on my AMEL 54#96.
When I go from normal speed to idle, the oil alarm starts.
Of course, this doesn´t happen in the port but between the islands in Croatia.
My German Volvo expert suspects that the oil is too thin.
Diesel has probably gotten into the oil.
That´s why I changed the oil. More than 7 liters of very thin oil came out.
Then the engine ran again without an oil pressure alarm.
But today, when I switched back to idle, the alarm went on again.
I appreciate any advice or experiences.
Thanks a lot,
Dirk
AMEL 54#96 PÉNÉLOPE
Currently Croatia close to Dubrovnik
You need a Puller it's much safer
but if push comes to shove I hammered mine out with a blank and mini sledge
-----Original Message-----
From: ngtnewington Newington via groups.io < ngtnewington@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2020 8:52 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Main furling motor and gear on 54
I know this has come up before, but I am servicing the main sail furling motor and worm drive.
It is all well but the top shaft seal should be replaced.
Problem;
Shaft into the worm gear is very tight. Soaked it in diesel for some hours, hesitant to hit it. Plan to find a press to press it out.
Does anyone have a better idea?
Nick
S/Y Amelia
Leros.
AML 55-019
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Hi Dirk;
We had a similar symptom, but did not have the thin oil that you are experiencing. So, I do not believe your issue would be the same. As others have suggested, a potential source of diesel in the oil would explain the low viscosity.
In our case, it was the oil pressure switch (sensor). I would recommend removing the oil pressure switch and installing a temporary pressure guage, so you can eliminate the possibility of a bad switch. I believe at idle, you should maintain
1 bar of oil pressure.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099
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To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Oil Pressure Volvo D3 I - C
Hi all,
since yesterday I have an oil pressure problem on my AMEL 54#96.
When I go from normal speed to idle, the oil alarm starts.
Of course, this doesn´t happen in the port but between the islands in Croatia.
My German Volvo expert suspects that the oil is too thin.
Diesel has probably gotten into the oil.
That´s why I changed the oil. More than 7 liters of very thin oil came out.
Then the engine ran again without an oil pressure alarm.
But today, when I switched back to idle, the alarm went on again.
I appreciate any advice or experiences.
Currently Croatia close to Dubrovnik
You need a Puller it's much safer
but if push comes to shove I hammered mine out with a blank and mini sledge
-----Original Message-----
From: ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2020 8:52 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Main furling motor and gear on 54
I know this has come up before, but I am servicing the main sail furling motor and worm drive.
It is all well but the top shaft seal should be replaced.
Shaft into the worm gear is very tight. Soaked it in diesel for some hours, hesitant to hit it. Plan to find a press to press it out.
Does anyone have a better idea?
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I had the same. In my case it was a faulty Oil sensor switch. When you order a new one look for the right connection. There seem to be two differnt types for the D3 110. My one was part number 863169.  Volvo Part Nr.: 863169 Ralph A54#144, Santa Isabella
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Arno Luijten
Smell the oil. If it has a clear diesel scent you are in trouble. In that case the oil level should also raise.
Else the sensor itself may very well be the problem. Also if they used full synthetic oil for the change it may appear thinner then classic oil.
Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
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Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
Dirk, I just had the same problem. Connecting an external gauge the pressure is normal, so I’m getting a new sensor. Note also that you cannot use a normal Volvo sensor, you must get the specially modified one that takes the bonding connection from Gwen Marine Service in France - €78. Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dirk Hooff
Sent: 02 September 2020 12:44
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Oil Pressure Volvo D3 I - C Hi all, since yesterday I have an oil pressure problem on my AMEL 54#96. When I go from normal speed to idle, the oil alarm starts. Of course, this doesn´t happen in the port but between the islands in Croatia. My German Volvo expert suspects that the oil is too thin. Diesel has probably gotten into the oil. That´s why I changed the oil. More than 7 liters of very thin oil came out. Then the engine ran again without an oil pressure alarm. But today, when I switched back to idle, the alarm went on again. I appreciate any advice or experiences. Currently Croatia close to Dubrovnik You need a Puller it's much safer but if push comes to shove I hammered mine out with a blank and mini sledge
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From: ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2020 8:52 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Main furling motor and gear on 54 I know this has come up before, but I am servicing the main sail furling motor and worm drive. It is all well but the top shaft seal should be replaced. Shaft into the worm gear is very tight. Soaked it in diesel for some hours, hesitant to hit it. Plan to find a press to press it out. Does anyone have a better idea?
-- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Dirk Hooff
Hi Paul, Ralph, Mohammad and Arno,
thank you for your answers and your experience.
We connected an external gauge and the pressure is with cold engine at 2bar at 700rpm (idle) and 4bar at 1500rpm. After 15min. with normal oil temperature (75degree) the oil pressure drops to 1.3bar when idling. And 3 bar at 1500rpm. The Volvo expert thinks, that this is not enough. Actually the oil pressure sensor should not trigger before the oil pressure drops down to 0.7bar. That´s why I think the old sensor is too sensitive…
First I will try it with a new sensor… unfortunately it needs time to get it, and maybe someone of you have some experience with the oil-pressure with a warm engine…
Thanks and take care,
Dirk
Am 03.09.2020 um 11:13 schrieb Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown < paul.dowd@...>:
Dirk, I just had the same problem. Connecting an external gauge the pressure is normal, so I’m getting a new sensor. Note also that you cannot use a normal Volvo sensor, you must get the specially modified one that takes the bonding connection from Gwen Marine Service in France - €78. Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada Hi all, since yesterday I have an oil pressure problem on my AMEL 54#96. When I go from normal speed to idle, the oil alarm starts. Of course, this doesn´t happen in the port but between the islands in Croatia. My German Volvo expert suspects that the oil is too thin. Diesel has probably gotten into the oil. That´s why I changed the oil. More than 7 liters of very thin oil came out. Then the engine ran again without an oil pressure alarm. But today, when I switched back to idle, the alarm went on again. I appreciate any advice or experiences. Currently Croatia close to Dubrovnik You need a Puller it's much safer but if push comes to shove I hammered mine out with a blank and mini sledge
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From: ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2020 8:52 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Main furling motor and gear on 54 I know this has come up before, but I am servicing the main sail furling motor and worm drive. It is all well but the top shaft seal should be replaced. Shaft into the worm gear is very tight. Soaked it in diesel for some hours, hesitant to hit it. Plan to find a press to press it out. Does anyone have a better idea?
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Matt Salatino
Our new Volvo Penta D-3 has 4.48 bar at 1800 rpm. You might be OK. ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On Sep 6, 2020, at 10:48 AM, Dirk Hooff < sypenelope@...> wrote: Hi Paul, Ralph, Mohammad and Arno,
thank you for your answers and your experience.
We connected an external gauge and the pressure is with cold engine at 2bar at 700rpm (idle) and 4bar at 1500rpm. After 15min. with normal oil temperature (75degree) the oil pressure drops to 1.3bar when idling. And 3 bar at 1500rpm. The Volvo expert thinks, that this is not enough. Actually the oil pressure sensor should not trigger before the oil pressure drops down to 0.7bar. That´s why I think the old sensor is too sensitive…
First I will try it with a new sensor… unfortunately it needs time to get it, and maybe someone of you have some experience with the oil-pressure with a warm engine…
Thanks and take care,
Dirk Am 03.09.2020 um 11:13 schrieb Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown < paul.dowd@...>:
Dirk, I just had the same problem. Connecting an external gauge the pressure is normal, so I’m getting a new sensor. Note also that you cannot use a normal Volvo sensor, you must get the specially modified one that takes the bonding connection from Gwen Marine Service in France - €78. Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada Hi all, since yesterday I have an oil pressure problem on my AMEL 54#96. When I go from normal speed to idle, the oil alarm starts. Of course, this doesn´t happen in the port but between the islands in Croatia. My German Volvo expert suspects that the oil is too thin. Diesel has probably gotten into the oil. That´s why I changed the oil. More than 7 liters of very thin oil came out. Then the engine ran again without an oil pressure alarm. But today, when I switched back to idle, the alarm went on again. I appreciate any advice or experiences. Currently Croatia close to Dubrovnik You need a Puller it's much safer but if push comes to shove I hammered mine out with a blank and mini sledge
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To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2020 8:52 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Main furling motor and gear on 54 I know this has come up before, but I am servicing the main sail furling motor and worm drive. It is all well but the top shaft seal should be replaced. Shaft into the worm gear is very tight. Soaked it in diesel for some hours, hesitant to hit it. Plan to find a press to press it out. Does anyone have a better idea?
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Hi Dirk;
The pressures you are observing are fine, based our experience. The oil pressure sensor is a simple switch that triggers at a certain oil pressure. I’m not sure what exact pressure, but our engine pressure was slightly over 1 bar at idle
and when engine was normal running temperature. When we changed the oil pressure switch, our issue with the low oil pressure went away. I would proceed with caution with the Volvo “expert” that is advising you that 1.3 bars at idle is not enough pressure.
If you are still near Dubrovnik, it should not be hard or take too long to have one shipped from France. We are actually wintering in Montenegro, and have 3 spares on board. If not for COVID, and we were on board, I could have easily sent
you one. Because we had actual oil pressure measurements and were confident that we did not have an oil pressure issue, we continued with the alarm popping up from time to time, until we received the pressure switch. Off course, another event could potentially
come up that actually leads to low oil pressure during this time, but for us, the risks were acceptable.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099
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Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 1:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Oil Pressure Volvo D3 I - C
Hi Paul, Ralph, Mohammad and Arno,
thank you for your answers and your experience.
We connected an external gauge and the pressure is with cold engine at 2bar at 700rpm (idle) and 4bar at 1500rpm.
After 15min. with normal oil temperature (75degree) the oil pressure drops to 1.3bar when idling.
The Volvo expert thinks, that this is not enough.
Actually the oil pressure sensor should not trigger before the oil pressure drops down to 0.7bar. That´s why I think the old sensor is too sensitive…
First I will try it with a new sensor… unfortunately it needs time to get it, and maybe someone of you have some experience with the oil-pressure with a warm engine…
Am 03.09.2020 um 11:13 schrieb Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...>:
I just had the same problem. Connecting an external gauge the pressure is normal, so I’m getting a new sensor. Note also that you cannot use a normal Volvo sensor, you must get the specially modified one that
takes the bonding connection from Gwen Marine Service in France - €78.
S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
since yesterday I have an oil pressure problem on my AMEL 54#96.
When I go from normal speed to idle, the oil alarm starts.
Of course, this doesn´t happen in the port but between the islands in Croatia.
My German Volvo expert suspects that the oil is too thin.
Diesel has probably gotten into the oil.
That´s why I changed the oil. More than 7 liters of very thin oil came out.
Then the engine ran again without an oil pressure alarm.
But today, when I switched back to idle, the alarm went on again.
I appreciate any advice or experiences.
Currently Croatia close to Dubrovnik
You need a Puller it's much safer
but if push comes to shove I hammered mine out with a blank and mini sledge
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From: ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2020 8:52 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Main furling motor and gear on 54
I know this has come up before, but I am servicing the main sail furling motor and worm drive.
It is all well but the top shaft seal should be replaced.
Shaft into the worm gear is very tight. Soaked it in diesel for some hours, hesitant to hit it. Plan to find a press to press it out.
Does anyone have a better idea?
--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Teun BAAS
Hi Matt,
The VOLVO PENTA D3 you have is that generation “H” with 110HP?
Best Regards Teun
SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA
September 6, 2020
09:01:27
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842
AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
You can follow AMELIT via this link:
https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
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Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 03:16
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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Oil Pressure Volvo D3 I - C
Our new Volvo Penta D-3 has 4.48 bar at 1800 rpm. You might be OK.
Hi Paul, Ralph, Mohammad and Arno,
thank you for your answers and your experience.
We connected an external gauge and the pressure is with cold engine at 2bar at 700rpm (idle) and 4bar at 1500rpm.
After 15min. with normal oil temperature (75degree) the oil pressure drops to 1.3bar when idling.
The Volvo expert thinks, that this is not enough.
Actually the oil pressure sensor should not trigger before the oil pressure drops down to 0.7bar. That´s why I think the old sensor is too sensitive…
First I will try it with a new sensor… unfortunately it needs time to get it, and maybe someone of you have some experience with the oil-pressure with a warm engine…
Am 03.09.2020 um 11:13 schrieb Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...>:
I just had the same problem. Connecting an external gauge the pressure is normal, so I’m getting a new sensor. Note also that you cannot use a normal Volvo sensor, you must get the specially modified one that
takes the bonding connection from Gwen Marine Service in France - €78.
S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
since yesterday I have an oil pressure problem on my AMEL 54#96.
When I go from normal speed to idle, the oil alarm starts.
Of course, this doesn´t happen in the port but between the islands in Croatia.
My German Volvo expert suspects that the oil is too thin.
Diesel has probably gotten into the oil.
That´s why I changed the oil. More than 7 liters of very thin oil came out.
Then the engine ran again without an oil pressure alarm.
But today, when I switched back to idle, the alarm went on again.
I appreciate any advice or experiences.
Currently Croatia close to Dubrovnik
You need a Puller it's much safer
but if push comes to shove I hammered mine out with a blank and mini sledge
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From: ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2020 8:52 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Main furling motor and gear on 54
I know this has come up before, but I am servicing the main sail furling motor and worm drive.
It is all well but the top shaft seal should be replaced.
Shaft into the worm gear is very tight. Soaked it in diesel for some hours, hesitant to hit it. Plan to find a press to press it out.
Does anyone have a better idea?
--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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On Sep 6, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Teun BAAS < teun@...> wrote:
Hi Matt,
The VOLVO PENTA D3 you have is that generation “H” with 110HP?
Best Regards Teun
SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA
September 6, 2020
09:01:27
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842
AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
You can follow AMELIT via this link:
https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
Our new Volvo Penta D-3 has 4.48 bar at 1800 rpm. You might be OK.
Hi Paul, Ralph, Mohammad and Arno,
thank you for your answers and your experience.
We connected an external gauge and the pressure is with cold engine at 2bar at 700rpm (idle) and 4bar at 1500rpm.
After 15min. with normal oil temperature (75degree) the oil pressure drops to 1.3bar when idling.
The Volvo expert thinks, that this is not enough.
Actually the oil pressure sensor should not trigger before the oil pressure drops down to 0.7bar. That´s why I think the old sensor is too sensitive…
First I will try it with a new sensor… unfortunately it needs time to get it, and maybe someone of you have some experience with the oil-pressure with a warm engine…
Am 03.09.2020 um 11:13 schrieb Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...>:
I just had the same problem. Connecting an external gauge the pressure is normal, so I’m getting a new sensor. Note also that you cannot use a normal Volvo sensor, you must get the specially modified one that
takes the bonding connection from Gwen Marine Service in France - €78.
S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
since yesterday I have an oil pressure problem on my AMEL 54#96.
When I go from normal speed to idle, the oil alarm starts.
Of course, this doesn´t happen in the port but between the islands in Croatia.
My German Volvo expert suspects that the oil is too thin.
Diesel has probably gotten into the oil.
That´s why I changed the oil. More than 7 liters of very thin oil came out.
Then the engine ran again without an oil pressure alarm.
But today, when I switched back to idle, the alarm went on again.
I appreciate any advice or experiences.
Currently Croatia close to Dubrovnik
You need a Puller it's much safer
but if push comes to shove I hammered mine out with a blank and mini sledge
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From: ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2020 8:52 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Main furling motor and gear on 54
I know this has come up before, but I am servicing the main sail furling motor and worm drive.
It is all well but the top shaft seal should be replaced.
Shaft into the worm gear is very tight. Soaked it in diesel for some hours, hesitant to hit it. Plan to find a press to press it out.
Does anyone have a better idea?
--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Teun BAAS
Matt,
I don’t think VP changes designation per year as the 2007 A54 have the “C” and for sure also the 2009 A54 had “C”.
Clearly between 2009 and 2017 they went from “C” to “H” and I am trying to determine if since the “H” VP has introduced another “upgrade”.
I have the “H” since June 2018 and have been extreme happy with my (costly) decision to replace the “C”. Now having about 450hrs, it has been a pleasure to operate;
I have had several times people standing in the cockpit suggesting me to start the engine while it was already running.
Best Regards Teun
A54 2009 #128
September 8, 2020
06:00:53
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Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 23:43
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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Oil Pressure Volvo D3 I - C
It’s a 2019 motor.
“i “?
On Sep 6, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
Hi Matt,
The VOLVO PENTA D3 you have is that generation “H” with 110HP?
Best Regards Teun
SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA
September 6, 2020 09:01:27
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842
AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
You can follow AMELIT via this link:
https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
Our new Volvo Penta D-3 has 4.48 bar at 1800 rpm. You might be OK.
Hi Paul, Ralph, Mohammad and Arno,
thank you for your answers and your experience.
We connected an external gauge and the pressure is with cold engine at 2bar at 700rpm (idle) and 4bar at 1500rpm.
After 15min. with normal oil temperature (75degree) the oil pressure drops to 1.3bar when idling.
The Volvo expert thinks, that this is not enough.
Actually the oil pressure sensor should not trigger before the oil pressure drops down to 0.7bar. That´s why I think the old sensor is too sensitive…
First I will try it with a new sensor… unfortunately it needs time to get it, and maybe someone of you have some experience with the oil-pressure with a warm engine…
Am 03.09.2020 um 11:13 schrieb Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...>:
I just had the same problem. Connecting an external gauge the pressure is normal, so I’m getting a new sensor. Note also that you cannot use a normal Volvo sensor, you must get the specially modified one that
takes the bonding connection from Gwen Marine Service in France - €78.
S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
since yesterday I have an oil pressure problem on my AMEL 54#96.
When I go from normal speed to idle, the oil alarm starts.
Of course, this doesn´t happen in the port but between the islands in Croatia.
My German Volvo expert suspects that the oil is too thin.
Diesel has probably gotten into the oil.
That´s why I changed the oil. More than 7 liters of very thin oil came out.
Then the engine ran again without an oil pressure alarm.
But today, when I switched back to idle, the alarm went on again.
I appreciate any advice or experiences.
Currently Croatia close to Dubrovnik
You need a Puller it's much safer
but if push comes to shove I hammered mine out with a blank and mini sledge
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From: ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2020 8:52 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Main furling motor and gear on 54
I know this has come up before, but I am servicing the main sail furling motor and worm drive.
It is all well but the top shaft seal should be replaced.
Shaft into the worm gear is very tight. Soaked it in diesel for some hours, hesitant to hit it. Plan to find a press to press it out.
Does anyone have a better idea?
--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Matt Salatino
From what I can tell, and the documentation is spares on this, we have a D3-110i-H Does that make any sense? ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On Sep 8, 2020, at 3:02 PM, Teun BAAS < teun@...> wrote:
Matt,
I don’t think VP changes designation per year as the 2007 A54 have the “C” and for sure also the 2009 A54 had “C”.
Clearly between 2009 and 2017 they went from “C” to “H” and I am trying to determine if since the “H” VP has introduced another “upgrade”.
I have the “H” since June 2018 and have been extreme happy with my (costly) decision to replace the “C”. Now having about 450hrs, it has been a pleasure to operate;
I have had several times people standing in the cockpit suggesting me to start the engine while it was already running.
Best Regards Teun
A54 2009 #128
September 8, 2020
06:00:53
It’s a 2019 motor.
“i “?
On Sep 6, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
Hi Matt,
The VOLVO PENTA D3 you have is that generation “H” with 110HP?
Best Regards Teun
SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA
September 6, 2020 09:01:27
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842
AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
You can follow AMELIT via this link:
https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
Our new Volvo Penta D-3 has 4.48 bar at 1800 rpm. You might be OK.
Hi Paul, Ralph, Mohammad and Arno,
thank you for your answers and your experience.
We connected an external gauge and the pressure is with cold engine at 2bar at 700rpm (idle) and 4bar at 1500rpm.
After 15min. with normal oil temperature (75degree) the oil pressure drops to 1.3bar when idling.
The Volvo expert thinks, that this is not enough.
Actually the oil pressure sensor should not trigger before the oil pressure drops down to 0.7bar. That´s why I think the old sensor is too sensitive…
First I will try it with a new sensor… unfortunately it needs time to get it, and maybe someone of you have some experience with the oil-pressure with a warm engine…
Am 03.09.2020 um 11:13 schrieb Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...>:
I just had the same problem. Connecting an external gauge the pressure is normal, so I’m getting a new sensor. Note also that you cannot use a normal Volvo sensor, you must get the specially modified one that
takes the bonding connection from Gwen Marine Service in France - €78.
S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
since yesterday I have an oil pressure problem on my AMEL 54#96.
When I go from normal speed to idle, the oil alarm starts.
Of course, this doesn´t happen in the port but between the islands in Croatia.
My German Volvo expert suspects that the oil is too thin.
Diesel has probably gotten into the oil.
That´s why I changed the oil. More than 7 liters of very thin oil came out.
Then the engine ran again without an oil pressure alarm.
But today, when I switched back to idle, the alarm went on again.
I appreciate any advice or experiences.
Currently Croatia close to Dubrovnik
You need a Puller it's much safer
but if push comes to shove I hammered mine out with a blank and mini sledge
-----Original Message-----
From: ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2020 8:52 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Main furling motor and gear on 54
I know this has come up before, but I am servicing the main sail furling motor and worm drive.
It is all well but the top shaft seal should be replaced.
Shaft into the worm gear is very tight. Soaked it in diesel for some hours, hesitant to hit it. Plan to find a press to press it out.
Does anyone have a better idea?
--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Teun BAAS
Yes Sir – makes completely sense and that’s the same engine Porter McROBERTS and I have.
The previous engine was D3-110i-C
Thanks for the help.
Best Regards Teun
A54 2009 #128
September 8, 2020
06:31:12
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Matt Salatino via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 06:19
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Oil Pressure Volvo D3 I - C
From what I can tell, and the documentation is spares on this, we have a D3-110i-H
Does that make any sense?
On Sep 8, 2020, at 3:02 PM, Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
Matt,
I don’t think VP changes designation per year as the 2007 A54 have the “C” and for sure also the 2009 A54 had “C”.
Clearly between 2009 and 2017 they went from “C” to “H” and I am trying to determine if since the “H” VP has introduced another “upgrade”.
I have the “H” since June 2018 and have been extreme happy with my (costly) decision to replace the “C”. Now having about 450hrs, it has been a pleasure to operate;
I have had several times people standing in the cockpit suggesting me to start the engine while it was already running.
Best Regards Teun
A54 2009 #128
September 8, 2020 06:00:53
It’s a 2019 motor.
“i “?
On Sep 6, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
Hi Matt,
The VOLVO PENTA D3 you have is that generation “H” with 110HP?
Best Regards Teun
SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA
September 6, 2020 09:01:27
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842
AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
You can follow AMELIT via this link:
https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
Our new Volvo Penta D-3 has 4.48 bar at 1800 rpm. You might be OK.
Hi Paul, Ralph, Mohammad and Arno,
thank you for your answers and your experience.
We connected an external gauge and the pressure is with cold engine at 2bar at 700rpm (idle) and 4bar at 1500rpm.
After 15min. with normal oil temperature (75degree) the oil pressure drops to 1.3bar when idling.
The Volvo expert thinks, that this is not enough.
Actually the oil pressure sensor should not trigger before the oil pressure drops down to 0.7bar. That´s why I think the old sensor is too sensitive…
First I will try it with a new sensor… unfortunately it needs time to get it, and maybe someone of you have some experience with the oil-pressure with a warm engine…
Am 03.09.2020 um 11:13 schrieb Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...>:
I just had the same problem. Connecting an external gauge the pressure is normal, so I’m getting a new sensor. Note also that you cannot use a normal Volvo sensor, you must get the specially modified one that
takes the bonding connection from Gwen Marine Service in France - €78.
S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
since yesterday I have an oil pressure problem on my AMEL 54#96.
When I go from normal speed to idle, the oil alarm starts.
Of course, this doesn´t happen in the port but between the islands in Croatia.
My German Volvo expert suspects that the oil is too thin.
Diesel has probably gotten into the oil.
That´s why I changed the oil. More than 7 liters of very thin oil came out.
Then the engine ran again without an oil pressure alarm.
But today, when I switched back to idle, the alarm went on again.
I appreciate any advice or experiences.
Currently Croatia close to Dubrovnik
You need a Puller it's much safer
but if push comes to shove I hammered mine out with a blank and mini sledge
-----Original Message-----
From: ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2020 8:52 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Main furling motor and gear on 54
I know this has come up before, but I am servicing the main sail furling motor and worm drive.
It is all well but the top shaft seal should be replaced.
Shaft into the worm gear is very tight. Soaked it in diesel for some hours, hesitant to hit it. Plan to find a press to press it out.
Does anyone have a better idea?
--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Porter McRoberts
Agree Teun. The H is a different animal. We’re at about 550 hours on our “H,” replaced early 2019. Flawless so far (as it should be!). Quiet. Very smooth. More efficient. No smoke. The C started with issues around 700 hours. Possibly, finally, a reliable Volvo D3?
Porter Porter McRoberts S/V IBIS A54-152 WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206Www.fouribis.net
On Sep 8, 2020, at 3:32 AM, Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
Yes Sir – makes completely sense and that’s the same engine Porter McROBERTS and I have.
The previous engine was D3-110i-C
Thanks for the help.
Best Regards Teun
A54 2009 #128
September 8, 2020
06:31:12
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Matt Salatino via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 06:19
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Oil Pressure Volvo D3 I - C
From what I can tell, and the documentation is spares on this, we have a D3-110i-H
Does that make any sense?
On Sep 8, 2020, at 3:02 PM, Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
Matt,
I don’t think VP changes designation per year as the 2007 A54 have the “C” and for sure also the 2009 A54 had “C”.
Clearly between 2009 and 2017 they went from “C” to “H” and I am trying to determine if since the “H” VP has introduced another “upgrade”.
I have the “H” since June 2018 and have been extreme happy with my (costly) decision to replace the “C”. Now having about 450hrs, it has been a pleasure to operate;
I have had several times people standing in the cockpit suggesting me to start the engine while it was already running.
Best Regards Teun
A54 2009 #128
September 8, 2020 06:00:53
It’s a 2019 motor.
“i “?
On Sep 6, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
Hi Matt,
The VOLVO PENTA D3 you have is that generation “H” with 110HP?
Best Regards Teun
SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA
September 6, 2020 09:01:27
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842
AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
You can follow AMELIT via this link:
https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
Our new Volvo Penta D-3 has 4.48 bar at 1800 rpm. You might be OK.
Hi Paul, Ralph, Mohammad and Arno,
thank you for your answers and your experience.
We connected an external gauge and the pressure is with cold engine at 2bar at 700rpm (idle) and 4bar at 1500rpm.
After 15min. with normal oil temperature (75degree) the oil pressure drops to 1.3bar when idling.
The Volvo expert thinks, that this is not enough.
Actually the oil pressure sensor should not trigger before the oil pressure drops down to 0.7bar. That´s why I think the old sensor is too sensitive…
First I will try it with a new sensor… unfortunately it needs time to get it, and maybe someone of you have some experience with the oil-pressure with a warm engine…
Am 03.09.2020 um 11:13 schrieb Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...>:
I just had the same problem. Connecting an external gauge the pressure is normal, so I’m getting a new sensor. Note also that you cannot use a normal Volvo sensor, you must get the specially modified one that
takes the bonding connection from Gwen Marine Service in France - €78.
S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
since yesterday I have an oil pressure problem on my AMEL 54#96.
When I go from normal speed to idle, the oil alarm starts.
Of course, this doesn´t happen in the port but between the islands in Croatia.
My German Volvo expert suspects that the oil is too thin.
Diesel has probably gotten into the oil.
That´s why I changed the oil. More than 7 liters of very thin oil came out.
Then the engine ran again without an oil pressure alarm.
But today, when I switched back to idle, the alarm went on again.
I appreciate any advice or experiences.
Currently Croatia close to Dubrovnik
You need a Puller it's much safer
but if push comes to shove I hammered mine out with a blank and mini sledge
-----Original Message-----
From: ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2020 8:52 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Main furling motor and gear on 54
I know this has come up before, but I am servicing the main sail furling motor and worm drive.
It is all well but the top shaft seal should be replaced.
Shaft into the worm gear is very tight. Soaked it in diesel for some hours, hesitant to hit it. Plan to find a press to press it out.
Does anyone have a better idea?
--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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So glad to see some good reports on the VP. Our 110-IC is still running strong at 2200 hours and has been very reliable. It’s good to see that there is a good option out there, once needed. Thanks for your feedback to the forum to keep
the rest of us informed.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099
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On Behalf Of Porter McRoberts via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:23 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Oil Pressure Volvo D3 I - C
Agree Teun.
The H is a different animal.
We’re at about 550 hours on our “H,” replaced early 2019.
Flawless so far (as it should be!). Quiet. Very smooth. More efficient. No smoke.
The C started with issues around 700 hours.
Possibly, finally, a reliable Volvo D3?
Porter
On Sep 8, 2020, at 3:32 AM, Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
Yes Sir – makes completely sense and that’s the same engine Porter McROBERTS and I have.
The previous engine was D3-110i-C
Thanks for the help.
Best Regards Teun
A54 2009 #128
September 8, 2020 06:31:12
From what I can tell, and the documentation is spares on this, we have a D3-110i-H
Does that make any sense?
On Sep 8, 2020, at 3:02 PM, Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
Matt,
I don’t think VP changes designation per year as the 2007 A54 have the “C” and for sure also the 2009 A54 had “C”.
Clearly between 2009 and 2017 they went from “C” to “H” and I am trying to determine if since the “H” VP has introduced another “upgrade”.
I have the “H” since June 2018 and have been extreme happy with my (costly) decision to replace the “C”. Now having about 450hrs, it has been a pleasure to operate;
I have had several times people standing in the cockpit suggesting me to start the engine while it was already running.
Best Regards Teun
A54 2009 #128
September 8, 2020 06:00:53
It’s a 2019 motor.
“i “?
On Sep 6, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
Hi Matt,
The VOLVO PENTA D3 you have is that generation “H” with 110HP?
Best Regards Teun
SV AMELIT A54 #128
In Storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA
September 6, 2020 09:01:27
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842
AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
You can follow AMELIT via this link:
https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
Our new Volvo Penta D-3 has 4.48 bar at 1800 rpm. You might be OK.
Hi Paul, Ralph, Mohammad and Arno,
thank you for your answers and your experience.
We connected an external gauge and the pressure is with cold engine at 2bar at 700rpm (idle) and 4bar at 1500rpm.
After 15min. with normal oil temperature (75degree) the oil pressure drops to 1.3bar when idling.
The Volvo expert thinks, that this is not enough.
Actually the oil pressure sensor should not trigger before the oil pressure drops down to 0.7bar. That´s why I think the old sensor is too sensitive…
First I will try it with a new sensor… unfortunately it needs time to get it, and maybe someone of you have some experience with the oil-pressure with a warm engine…
Am 03.09.2020 um 11:13 schrieb Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...>:
I just had the same problem. Connecting an external gauge the pressure is normal, so I’m getting a new sensor. Note also that you cannot use a normal Volvo sensor, you must get the specially modified one that
takes the bonding connection from Gwen Marine Service in France - €78.
S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
since yesterday I have an oil pressure problem on my AMEL 54#96.
When I go from normal speed to idle, the oil alarm starts.
Of course, this doesn´t happen in the port but between the islands in Croatia.
My German Volvo expert suspects that the oil is too thin.
Diesel has probably gotten into the oil.
That´s why I changed the oil. More than 7 liters of very thin oil came out.
Then the engine ran again without an oil pressure alarm.
But today, when I switched back to idle, the alarm went on again.
I appreciate any advice or experiences.
Currently Croatia close to Dubrovnik
You need a Puller it's much safer
but if push comes to shove I hammered mine out with a blank and mini sledge
-----Original Message-----
From: ngtnewington Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2020 8:52 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Main furling motor and gear on 54
I know this has come up before, but I am servicing the main sail furling motor and worm drive.
It is all well but the top shaft seal should be replaced.
Shaft into the worm gear is very tight. Soaked it in diesel for some hours, hesitant to hit it. Plan to find a press to press it out.
Does anyone have a better idea?
--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Arno Luijten
Actually the way it works at VP is that any significant change in the production of the eingine results in a new trailing character. Most Amels 54s have C because that is the one for wich production ran fairly long. The change form C to D was major as they changed the setup and position of all the ancillaries. Probably because they found out that putting the raw water pump on top of the alternator was not such a great idea. Also they changed the engine cover making it more silent. The base block itself has not changed that much. Fact is that Volvo is no longer using it in their cars since a few years making the production volume of this block much smaller.
The biggest change (as far as I can tell) between the "A" and "B" and the "C" version is the electronics got beefed up because of many failures with them.
The changes from "D" to "I" are fairly minor I believe.
I still think it's a good engine with very good characteristics. The fact you hear many complaints about it is because there a quite a few out there. It will treat you as you will treat it in most cases. It is still a fairly complex engine and you should treat it as such. Prompt preventive maintenance and clean diesel are the way to go.
Just my two cents...
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
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WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl
Thank you for your reports to the forum. I can absolutely support Arno and Mohamad
Our 110-IC is still running strong and has been very reliable with over 3000 hours. Touch wood ;-)
Fair winds
Ruedi & Sabina Waldispuehl
WASABI
A54-#055
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