Galley sink drain
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I have a fairly laid back attitude to the washing up routine. We wash dishes normally, I manually pump the bilge every couple of days.
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I can not go along with the idea of wiping down with paper towels unless it is a really greasy pan. Then about every two weeks I poor some caustic soda solution or crystals into the bilge and use a long handle scrubbing brush, that lives in the engine room, and a fresh water hose to give it a good scrub. Takes about five minutes every couple of weeks. I do not find this particularly arduous. Nick SY Amelia Bozburum Turkey On 20 Oct 2021, at 20:52, Ron Hynes <riffhynes@...> wrote:
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Paul Harries
I was thinking of something like in this video
https://replaceyourgarbagedisposal.com/why-you-need-it-restaurant-garbage-disposal/no-grease-trap-clogs-commercial-garbage-disposal/ -- Paul Harries Prospective Amel Buyer |
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Ron Hynes <riffhynes@...>
Instead of exiting the galley sink with a thru hull, why not just have a fitting a few inches above the waterline like they have on all the early Amel‘s and lots of other boats?
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Ron Hynes 954.319.0944 On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:23 PM, ianjudyjenkins@... wrote:
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ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Paul ,
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When we bought Pen Azen as a new boat we had Amel add a short length of stainless pipe to the hole where the forward drain spills into the bilge . That allows us to cover the end of the pipe with a piece of nylon stocking . That catches all the gunk and
we change it every 2-3 weeks
We also do the same to the end of the hose from the aft heads.
You will be surprised at how much stuff we catch that way— or maybe you won’t !
The idea was given to us by a Swiss lady who owned a Sharki
Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM 302, Greece On 20 Oct 2021, at 18:37, Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries@...> wrote:
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Paul Harries
Has anyone considered interjecting something akin to a grease trap between the sink outlet and the drain pipe leading to the bilge?
Inserting such a device could result in collecting food rescue etc in a container under the sink and avoid getting it into the bilge. A simple course filter type system might just do the trick. -- Paul Harries Prospective Amel Buyer |
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We all have our own technique for dealing with the bilge. We clean every dish with paper towels before washing up, going through countless rolls of paper every season. Then I put 150 g of hydrochloric acid into the bilge once a week and clean out the bilge with a brush and a wet vac once a season. It is a disgusting task because of all the food residue caked to the hoses and the bilge pump switch assembly. I have to cover the engine with a tarp to avoid getting grey water all over it. I need to pull out each of the seven or so hoses, scrub them individually and tie them all to one side in order to even get a scrubber in to the bilge. I also use a Karcher to get the stuff off the hoses and bilge walls. And then I have to be concerned about disposing of the dirty water and other waste. So I can’t do this in a nice marina. Given all this effort, I’m asking myself why? No other quality boat, Swan, Oyster, discovery, you name it, has a bilge setup like the Amel. I understand that one through hull is better than two, at least theoretically, but I tend to think it’s a ephemeral advantage. In reality, what counts is that the through hulls are in the engine room, which is watertight. I also understand that if I were ever to sell the boat, some purists would snuff their noses at mine. But then, it should cost only a couple of boat dollars to close it back up and I think some potential buyers might see it as an advantage!
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Mohammad Shirloo
We flush the bilge several times with water and dish washing liquid once or twice every season and we do not have any issues with smell. I pour dish washing liquid in the bilge and leave the water hose running. This creates a large foam volume in the bilge. While the bilge pump runs, I also pump the manual pump that extracts all the solids from the bottom. I usually spend 2-4 hours a season on this task. In my opinion, the design is sound and eliminating this task by making an additional hole in the hull, creates more issues than it solves.
Also, as Bill stated, If I were looking at purchasing another Amel, this modification would certainly weigh heavily on the negative side.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Joerg Esdorn via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 10:43 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Galley sink drain
The other advantage of the Amel 50/60 grey water tank vs. the prior models’ grey water in the bilge is that the tank doesn’t smell as it is hermetically sealed. At least, that’s the theory. So presumably you can wait longer to clean the
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The other advantage of the Amel 50/60 grey water tank vs. the prior models’ grey water in the bilge is that the tank doesn’t smell as it is hermetically sealed. At least, that’s the theory. So presumably you can wait longer to clean the tank …..
This summer, we used the cockpit drain on the starboard side for the first time to dispose of left over food stuff. The problem is that whatever you throw down there has the tendency of ending up on the cockpit door which slides down into the space by the drain. But one could put a board there to close the space off from the cockpit door. Another option I’m considering. Thanks everyone for your thoughts. I would love to hear from the A55 owner who put in the through hull. Does it gurgle like on Mark’s SM? Joerg Joerg Esdorn A55 #53 Kincsem Currently in La Rochelle |
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Mark Barter
Our Super Maramu has a drain under the galley sink that goes directly into the sea. There is an option to divert the grey water from the sink into the sump. There is some gurgling on starboard tack but that is the only downside as far as I can see. I wouldn't have it arranged any other way. The sump is so much easier to clean and needs cleaning a lot less frequently.
The only problem is that any animal fat that you allow down the sink will meet seawater and if it is cold enough it will congeal and potentially block the sink. This happened to us once. Since then we wipe as much fat off the plates as possible before washing up. I didn't install the drain but it is a very simple set up. The through hull is an inch and quarter. Mark -- Mark & Nicky Barter S/V Nunky SM 110 |
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A primary collection point of the gray water outside of the engine room seems to be a great innovation on the A50.
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The basic design is the same with respect to gray water. All gray water gravity-drains to a central single tank and is then pumped overboard. The location of the Amel 50 gray water tank changed because of the design constraints of the rest of the boat. And, it is a lot easier to get to tan previous Amel models. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@... 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 3:37 PM Joan Blaas <joan.blaas@...> wrote: See below the gray water tank of an Amel50 just in front of the stairs. I just wonder why Amel changed the long-standing Amel design of it's gray water system. |
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See below the gray water tank of an Amel50 just in front of the stairs. I just wonder why Amel changed the long-standing Amel design of it's gray water system.
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The Amel 50, 60, 55, 54, SM & others have a gray water tank that is filled by gravity-drained gray water. The tank has an automatic pump which pumps gray water overboard. Sooner or later you will sell your Amel. Modifications contrary to long-standing Amel design that you might consider smart will be looked at by a large number of buyers as devaluing the Amel. So, maybe it isn't smart. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@... 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 10:53 AM Joan Blaas <joan.blaas@...> wrote: Joerg, |
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Joerg,
I learned that the Amel 50 has a separate grey water tank. "All tankage is housed under the cockpit sole, including a grey water tank set in the bilge sump, which collects waste from all sinks and showers, serviced by a float switch for automatic emptying. This system ensures a dry, clean bilge elsewhere". Have you considered copying this setup? Or does anyone has images / drawings of the grey water system on an Amel 50? Have considered copying that solution? |
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Further info on this topic. I just learned that an A55 owner installed a direct drain to a new through hull for the galley sink. Anyone on this forum? That sounds like a great solution - furthering the idea that the boat has all the comforts of home. And given that that the engine room is water tight I see the additional risk posed by the additional through hull as small. So I’m considering doing the same. Thoughts? Do other Amels have more than one through hull below the water line? Joerg Esdorn |
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Hi folks,
After all this discussion, my current idea is to use one of those shower sumps under the floor below the galley sink and plumb the outlet to a thru-bulkhead connector into the engine room, then run a hose from that to Tee into the bilge pump outlet hose near the thru hull. That way we can pump the galley sink overboard without going into the grey water sump and also without putting in another thruhull. If I ever get back to Elyse, that's what I'll do.....unless there's something I haven't considered which would make it a good reason not to.... Cheers Alan Elyse SM437 |
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Thanks much, Nick. Joerg
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Nick Fowle SM 404 Rascal <svrascal@...>
Thanks Mark, I do use the filter in both sinks . Will try the vinegar route as well. Nick SM404 SV Rascal Antigua Sent from ProtonMail Mobile On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 11:33 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:
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Use a fine stainless strainer in the sink and pour a gallon of vinegar in down the sink periodically.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
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Nick Fowle SM 404 Rascal <svrascal@...>
Joerg, Not sure I am the expert here, but here goes with my 10cents worth. The hose from the sink bilge runs back through into the engine room. I assume that this is the original route, feeding into the grey bilge. There is a bilge pump mounted on the engine Bay bulkhead that is triggered by the grey water bilge under the sink. This pump gulps the waste from the bilge and via a looping vertical and then heads across to port, route, then enters the main grey water bilge outflow hose, via a “Y” connect and then out out the boat via the main grey water bilge hose. It works ok, but I donot t put any solids at all down it. I have cleaned both bilges in the past month. I sense that I will have to clean the sink bilge more often to prevent any odour from this. I have noticed that after 10 days on the hard it was pretty ripe, so have cleaned it again. With regards the macerated idea. Not sure I am the expert, but intuitively I would be concerned that it would struggle to do the lift and pump out over such a distance. Again, I am the uneducated at such things, maybe in series with a bilge pump. Again, I’m not sure I’ll keep the solution I was presented. For now, it works, easier to clean , so it stays.... but I am very diligent about what goes in, much like I would be if the original / proper Amel SM setup. Nick SV Rascal SM 404 Antigua Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
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