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Kent,
Yesterday I was told that Amel shortened the long pole with the SM 2000. I have noticed how the long poles are stored on deck with earlier model SMs versus later models. The earlier models overhang the toe-rail at the bow. I have always thought this to be simply a different storage method. When you get a chance, please measure the length of the aluminum tube on the long tubes. Next week I am going to be on a later model SM and will measure those.
Bill
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CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
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A few years ago I was sailing N in the Gulf Stream in 20kts from astern. In the middle of the night with no warning (it was a moonless night with no lightning observed) we were suddenly in 35+ kts from 40d off the starboard stern. The seas rapidly grew from 5-6 ft to 8-10 ft. I turned directly downwind and furled the headsails together to about 10%. But before I could muster the crew and get the poles down, we rolled and caught the tip of the port pole in the water. It shattered the forward guy block, and the pole came whipping back alongside the dodger. No damage there, but potentially an even worse problem than we had.
The problem was a thunder storm that must have formed right over us, or just didn't have any lightning. That was before I got my new Radar, and I didn't use it at night unless I saw a specific need. So now I take the poles down at night, and run the radar at night. In any choppy seas over 4-5 ft, I raise the end of the poles a couple of feet above horizontal.
Kent SM 243 Kristy Preparing to sail to Maine in early June
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Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243
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Bill, The aluminum tube part of the long poles on Cara (Hull #440) are just over 442cm long. The entire pole with the end fittings is around 469cm. Pics below:   -- Mark McGovern SM #440 Cara Deale, MD USA
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Nicolas Klene
Same here 442 cm, measured like the top picture
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Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille
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Mark & Nick,
Thanks
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CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
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Same here 442 cm, measured like the top picture
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Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille
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Slavko Despotovic
It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
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Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz
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Bill,
So is there a recommendation to shorten a long pole to be the shorter length for better storage and functionality?
Thanks, Dan Feierabend SM #86
On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 02:53:54 AM PDT, Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:
It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
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Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz
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Dan,
I know of no such recommendation. I know that 1 SM owner (Hull before 200) says that he shortened his poles by 57.5 cm. to match the length of a SM2k. I am not sure that this statement from him is totally accurate. I doubt it but trying to determine the facts. And I am not sure of the length of the aluminum tubes on Feierabend SM #86. Can you give that to me? That may tell us all we need to know.
Here is SM444:
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CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
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Bill,
So is there a recommendation to shorten a long pole to be the shorter length for better storage and functionality?
Thanks, Dan Feierabend SM #86
On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 02:53:54 AM PDT, Slavko Despotovic < slavko@...> wrote:
It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
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Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz
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Annie's poles were reported to be shortened by original owner because the insurance company did not like them protruding past the rails. I never measured them but they work fine.
John Clark Annie SM 37 St Thomas, USVI
On Mon, May 10, 2021, 10:53 AM CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: Dan,
I know of no such recommendation. I know that 1 SM owner (Hull before 200) says that he shortened his poles by 57.5 cm. to match the length of a SM2k. I am not sure that this statement from him is totally accurate. I doubt it but trying to determine the facts. And I am not sure of the length of the aluminum tubes on Feierabend SM #86. Can you give that to me? That may tell us all we need to know.
Here is SM444:
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CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
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Bill,
So is there a recommendation to shorten a long pole to be the shorter length for better storage and functionality?
Thanks, Dan Feierabend SM #86
On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 02:53:54 AM PDT, Slavko Despotovic < slavko@...> wrote:
It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
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Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz
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John,
That would be the short poles, right?
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CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
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Annie's poles were reported to be shortened by original owner because the insurance company did not like them protruding past the rails. I never measured them but they work fine.
John Clark Annie SM 37 St Thomas, USVI
On Mon, May 10, 2021, 10:53 AM CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: Dan,
I know of no such recommendation. I know that 1 SM owner (Hull before 200) says that he shortened his poles by 57.5 cm. to match the length of a SM2k. I am not sure that this statement from him is totally accurate. I doubt it but trying to determine the facts. And I am not sure of the length of the aluminum tubes on Feierabend SM #86. Can you give that to me? That may tell us all we need to know.
Here is SM444:
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CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
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Bill,
So is there a recommendation to shorten a long pole to be the shorter length for better storage and functionality?
Thanks, Dan Feierabend SM #86
On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 02:53:54 AM PDT, Slavko Despotovic < slavko@...> wrote:
It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
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Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz
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Arno Luijten
Hi John,
You mean when they are stored on deck? First time I’ve heatd about a Insurance company interfering at that level.
On Luna the 2nd pole is in on deck and goes past the pushpit extending to about the same “forwardness” as the bowroller
Regards,
Arno Luijten,
SV Luna,
A54-121
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No Bill that was the long poles. They reported that the way Amel had them stowed they stuck out about a foot. They said they were shortened so that they fit inside the rail. The "short" poles were not modified.
On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 12:17 PM CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: John,
That would be the short poles, right?
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CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
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Annie's poles were reported to be shortened by original owner because the insurance company did not like them protruding past the rails. I never measured them but they work fine.
John Clark Annie SM 37 St Thomas, USVI
On Mon, May 10, 2021, 10:53 AM CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: Dan,
I know of no such recommendation. I know that 1 SM owner (Hull before 200) says that he shortened his poles by 57.5 cm. to match the length of a SM2k. I am not sure that this statement from him is totally accurate. I doubt it but trying to determine the facts. And I am not sure of the length of the aluminum tubes on Feierabend SM #86. Can you give that to me? That may tell us all we need to know.
Here is SM444:
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CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
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Bill,
So is there a recommendation to shorten a long pole to be the shorter length for better storage and functionality?
Thanks, Dan Feierabend SM #86
On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 02:53:54 AM PDT, Slavko Despotovic < slavko@...> wrote:
It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
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Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz
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Hi Arno, yes I have seen that on some SM2Ks as well and also with the poles inside the rail. The poles seem to work fine so I never gave it too much thought.
Hi John,
You mean when they are stored on deck? First time I’ve heatd about a Insurance company interfering at that level.
On Luna the 2nd pole is in on deck and goes past the pushpit extending to about the same “forwardness” as the bowroller
Regards,
Arno Luijten,
SV Luna,
A54-121
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Bill, our poles must be monsters... Overall, 526.5 cm (207.25 inches)... just silver part is 500.4 cm (197").
Thanks, Dan Feierabend SM#86
On Wednesday, May 12, 2021, 05:03:14 AM PDT, John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:
No Bill that was the long poles. They reported that the way Amel had them stowed they stuck out about a foot. They said they were shortened so that they fit inside the rail. The "short" poles were not modified. On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 12:17 PM CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: John,
That would be the short poles, right?
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Annie's poles were reported to be shortened by original owner because the insurance company did not like them protruding past the rails. I never measured them but they work fine.
John Clark Annie SM 37 St Thomas, USVI
On Mon, May 10, 2021, 10:53 AM CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: Dan,
I know of no such recommendation. I know that 1 SM owner (Hull before 200) says that he shortened his poles by 57.5 cm. to match the length of a SM2k. I am not sure that this statement from him is totally accurate. I doubt it but trying to determine the facts. And I am not sure of the length of the aluminum tubes on Feierabend SM #86. Can you give that to me? That may tell us all we need to know.
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Bill,
So is there a recommendation to shorten a long pole to be the shorter length for better storage and functionality?
Thanks, Dan Feierabend SM #86
On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 02:53:54 AM PDT, Slavko Despotovic < slavko@...> wrote:
It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
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Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz
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Hi gang,
Our early SM has the original poles and they extend beyond the railing.
Extra length is very noteable if alongside an SM2K like here in NZ
CHEERS
Jean- Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ
On 13/05/2021, at 9:52 AM, Dan Wilcox via groups.io <dwilcox123@...> wrote:
Bill, our poles must be monsters... Overall, 526.5 cm (207.25 inches)... just silver part is 500.4 cm (197").
Thanks, Dan Feierabend SM#86
On Wednesday, May 12, 2021, 05:03:14 AM PDT, John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:
No Bill that was the long poles. They reported that the way Amel had them stowed they stuck out about a foot. They said they were shortened so that they fit inside the rail. The "short" poles were not modified. On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 12:17 PM CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: John,
That would be the short poles, right?
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Annie's poles were reported to be shortened by original owner because the insurance company did not like them protruding past the rails. I never measured them but they work fine.
John Clark Annie SM 37 St Thomas, USVI
On Mon, May 10, 2021, 10:53 AM CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: Dan,
I know of no such recommendation. I know that 1 SM owner (Hull before 200) says that he shortened his poles by 57.5 cm. to match the length of a SM2k. I am not sure that this statement from him is totally accurate. I doubt it but trying to determine the facts. And I am not sure of the length of the aluminum tubes on Feierabend SM #86. Can you give that to me? That may tell us all we need to know.
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CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
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Bill,
So is there a recommendation to shorten a long pole to be the shorter length for better storage and functionality?
Thanks, Dan Feierabend SM #86
On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 02:53:54 AM PDT, Slavko Despotovic < slavko@...> wrote:
It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
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Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz
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Dan,
Thanks for this.
It seems that early SMs had poles that were 58cm longer than later model SMs. I have to assume Amel shortened the long poles for a reason.
Bill, our poles must be monsters... Overall, 526.5 cm (207.25 inches)... just silver part is 500.4 cm (197").
Thanks, Dan Feierabend SM#86
On Wednesday, May 12, 2021, 05:03:14 AM PDT, John Clark < john.biohead@...> wrote:
No Bill that was the long poles. They reported that the way Amel had them stowed they stuck out about a foot. They said they were shortened so that they fit inside the rail. The "short" poles were not modified. On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 12:17 PM CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: John,
That would be the short poles, right?
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CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
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Annie's poles were reported to be shortened by original owner because the insurance company did not like them protruding past the rails. I never measured them but they work fine.
John Clark Annie SM 37 St Thomas, USVI
On Mon, May 10, 2021, 10:53 AM CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: Dan,
I know of no such recommendation. I know that 1 SM owner (Hull before 200) says that he shortened his poles by 57.5 cm. to match the length of a SM2k. I am not sure that this statement from him is totally accurate. I doubt it but trying to determine the facts. And I am not sure of the length of the aluminum tubes on Feierabend SM #86. Can you give that to me? That may tell us all we need to know.
Here is SM444:
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CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School
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Bill,
So is there a recommendation to shorten a long pole to be the shorter length for better storage and functionality?
Thanks, Dan Feierabend SM #86
On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 02:53:54 AM PDT, Slavko Despotovic < slavko@...> wrote:
It is 467cm on Bonne Anse. End to end. The long pole.
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Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz
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I suspect (but can not prove!) the reason of the change (we have the long poles) was simply to allow the securing the forward end of the pole to the pin on the stanchion without reworking the whole lifeline system. With the long poles the forward end of the pole is captured in the liferail and while it can not escape, it certainly CAN bounce up and down. We had some fiberglass crazing from this. We added pads of Treadmaster to cushion the rail where the pole rests.
What I found interesting, is after shortening the poles by a half meter, there was no change in the size of the genoa or balloner. Having sailed with both, I can't say I notice a difference.
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hollywood FL
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