Mainsheet Traveller replacement on an early Super Maramu


Mark Barter
 

Unfortunately the mainsheet traveller on our Super Maramu has snapped. Luckily there was hardly any wind and the problem was easily contained.

I have attached a photo of the traveller car. On our boat the previous owner made so many changes that it isn't always possible to be sure whether a particular feature is original or not. I suspect the traveller set up isn't original because the ends aren't slotted onto the track properly. It looks like they were not installed at the same time as the track. I also suspect that the traveller car isn't original or it has been modified.

Anyway, I need to remove the car and the only way I can see to do that without removing the track is by cutting the track at one end. Removing the track will be a nightmare because there are 30 bolts with flat screwdriver heads. I have tried a few and some will need drilling out.

If anyone has any experience of this problem how did you solve it? Also, can anyone provide details of a suitable replacement?

Many thanks

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Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


 

I may be wrong, but that car does not look like the original car I remember on early SMs. Maybe someone with an early SM can confirm or correct me.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 8:35 AM Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:
Unfortunately the mainsheet traveller on our Super Maramu has snapped. Luckily there was hardly any wind and the problem was easily contained.

I have attached a photo of the traveller car. On our boat the previous owner made so many changes that it isn't always possible to be sure whether a particular feature is original or not. I suspect the traveller set up isn't original because the ends aren't slotted onto the track properly. It looks like they were not installed at the same time as the track. I also suspect that the traveller car isn't original or it has been modified.

Anyway, I need to remove the car and the only way I can see to do that without removing the track is by cutting the track at one end. Removing the track will be a nightmare because there are 30 bolts with flat screwdriver heads. I have tried a few and some will need drilling out.

If anyone has any experience of this problem how did you solve it? Also, can anyone provide details of a suitable replacement?

Many thanks

Can anyone advise me whether r 
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Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Alain Blanchard <akdf85@...>
 

Dear Mark 

This is the One I have on m’y SM 146/1995
Alain


Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 30 mai 2021 à 15:43, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> a écrit :


I may be wrong, but that car does not look like the original car I remember on early SMs. Maybe someone with an early SM can confirm or correct me.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 8:35 AM Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:
Unfortunately the mainsheet traveller on our Super Maramu has snapped. Luckily there was hardly any wind and the problem was easily contained.

I have attached a photo of the traveller car. On our boat the previous owner made so many changes that it isn't always possible to be sure whether a particular feature is original or not. I suspect the traveller set up isn't original because the ends aren't slotted onto the track properly. It looks like they were not installed at the same time as the track. I also suspect that the traveller car isn't original or it has been modified.

Anyway, I need to remove the car and the only way I can see to do that without removing the track is by cutting the track at one end. Removing the track will be a nightmare because there are 30 bolts with flat screwdriver heads. I have tried a few and some will need drilling out.

If anyone has any experience of this problem how did you solve it? Also, can anyone provide details of a suitable replacement?

Many thanks
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Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Jarek Zemlo
 

Hello Mark & Nicky

below attached pictures of the traveller from my SM201 (original traveller installed by AMEL)

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Jarek
SY NOA BLUE
SM 201


Bill Kinney
 

The original on our boat, (looks like the other photos posted) was made by Antal.  It doesn’t match exactly traveler cars in the current catalog, but in our experience with other parts, Antal has some of these older things they made for OEM still in stock, if not actually in production.  Contact the local distributor with dimensions and photos, including dimensions for the track.If you are not in Italy, it can take a while for the communications to go back and forth.

If the stainless steel loop is the part that broke, (most likely failure point) that can be replaced in place.  No need to remove the car from the track. Do this if at all possible.  While you have the car apart, it a good time to clean and inspect the sheaves.

I’d try very hard not to cut this track. Losing length would limit the utility of the traveler, and while it’s not much, every little thing adds up. On our boat, we have to lift the track to replace the outhaul car on the main boom.  We found we did not have to remove the whole thing, it was surprisingly flexible

Pulling screws like this should be a routine maintenance thing, every few years. SOMEDAY it will need to be done, and it will never get any easier! Previous owners of our boat did this, and reinstalled them with a good lubricant.  With the right tools we have never had any trouble getting them out.

The right tool starts with a proper sized bit.  Older SMs used all slot drive screws, and exact size bits for these large screws can be hard to find, but are essential to do it right.  The bit needs to have a blade the full width of the screw head, and be a good tight fit. I have these in 1/2 inch impact drive.  If it is not a good fit, the head will mangle before full torque can be applied.  Sometimes you can have better luck finding these in really large sizes by searching for “drag link sockets”

I start with a breaker bar, if that doesn’t turn, I’ll go with an extension. If you go to the extension, it can be a two person job.  One holding the bit straight down in the screw, while the other applies the torque. You can use a 1/2” ratchet instead of the breaker bar, but you’ll risk damaging it with an extension.  Steady, smooth torque—slowly increasing—is the best way to break them free and will minimize risk of breaking the bolt.

If hand torque doesn’t get me anywhere, I have resorted to using an impact wrench, but that does increase the chance of breaking something.

Bill Kinney
S/V Harmonie
Hollywood Florida, 
(headed to the Bahamas in a day or two...)


Mark Barter
 

On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 03:32 PM, Bill Kinney wrote:
Hi Bill,
That is very helpful. 

I am sure that the previous owner fitted this car and I also think he devised a way of fitting it without removing the track. The problem is that I don't know how he did it and I can't contact him. 

With regard to cutting the track, what I was thinking of doing is cutting the track about 15cm from the end with a multitool and then just removing the screws from the shorter part. The shorter part can then be removed. Once the car had been replaced or repaired I would refit the shorter part. 

Your advice regarding removal of the screws is excellent. I will try that when I am back at the boat.

Thank you for time on this.
 
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Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Stephen Davis
 

Hi Mark and Nicky,

We own SM#72, and I’ll attach a picture of our main sheet traveler. The early SMs had Lewmar travelers, and sometime not too long after our hull number Amel switched to Antal. It is a bit odd, as all other blocks on our boat are Antal like every other Amel. Our traveler still works fine, but the plastic rollers on the ends fell apart, and I rigged the block you will see in the picture for the traveler adjustment lines. I do lose a bit of adjustment, but it works fine for my non racing style. If I ever have to change the traveler, It will require removing the track, filling the holes, and installing new track with a new traveler. I can’t find any currently made traveler that will fit my almost 30 year old track. The blocks on the end of the track were also made by Lewmar. They were made of some composite material which finally disintegrated with the UV. They were fairly easy to remove, and I had a very talented machinist in Port Townsend make me new ones out of anodized aluminum with beautiful sheaves this winter, as nothing was commercially available. 

Regards
Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Anchored in Poulsbo, WA


Mark Barter
 

Hi Steve,

The traveller car and the end blocks you have look almost identical to the ones we have fitted. I thought I had found a replacement car on Ebay but it isn't going to be compatible. It is the same as the car on Noa Blue above.

What I can't figure out is what the 4 nuts either side of the car are for. I have undone them all and the thread that they are on appears to be captive in the car. Of course it may just be seized in there. I thought by removing the nuts the wheels may have come free allowing the car to be removed but that didn't happen. Have you any idea what the nuts do here?

My thought is to remove the car because I think that the stainless loop will be attached to the car by 2 bolts. If I can get the car off I can remove the damaged bolts and re attach the loop with new bolts.

Thanks
Mark
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Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110