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Wakespeed WS500 wiring

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

I found the document attached which confirmed that our leece-Neville alternator is N-Type - might be useful to others - it also reassured me that when I installed the last alternator regulator (sterling power) that I made the correct assessment then also!



 

PP4029_doc.pdf

PP4029_doc.pdf

rossirossix4
 

Thanks, Bill thats' very helpful information.  I just loaded the latest firmware update to the WS 500 (Version 2.5.0) which was revised on Revised August 10, 2022  and see that it allows you to select a configuration for BattleBorn batteries using just the dip switches.  However the .txt file on the configuration for BattleBorns is highly modifiable as well once you figure it out. 

I noticed in the Wakespeed Communication and Configuration guide says it is "Copyright 2022 – Dragonfly Energy"  (translate BattleBorn) so I am guessing they have a special relationship that is developing.  http://wakespeed.com/Wakespeed%20%20Communications%20and%20Configuration%20Guide%20v2.5.0.pdf

Bob     KAIMI SM429
rossirossix4
 

Ya , I got a very prompt answer back from Leece-Neville that it was positive.   Doug, I think just find a wiring diagram to confirm.  

Hey Doug, I am in Deltaville at DYC on the hard.  I'll email you.

Bob     KAIMI SM 429
Dean Gillies
 

In generic terms, to determine whether you have positive or negative excitation requires accessing the two field(brush) wires on your alternator. You may have to remove an onboard regulator (if fitted) from the back to access the field wires.

Using a multimeter, you need to determine if one of the brushes is either tied DIRECTLY to Battery+ (D+\B+ etc) or to Battery-. (B-).

If one brush is connected directly to B+ then this is NEGATIVE excitation control.
Alternatively if one brush is connected directly to B- then this is POSITIVE field excitation control.

It can be a little tricky to determine the DIRECT connection as the rotor coil is also in the circuit.

Hope this makes sense ... if not, let me know and I'll draw a picture.






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Dean Gillies
SV Stella *****,  Amel 54-154
CW Bill Rouse
 

Bob Rossi, download the file you need from my Amel Book Supplements:
https://preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/files-requested-by-amel-yacht-owners_3.html




CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 1:36 PM Doug Smith via groups.io <dugsmith98=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I had this same question when looking at the Wakespeed regulators. I’m using a mastervolt alternator and wasn’t clear how to know the positive vs negative excitation. I’m not familiar with that with respect to the field excitation. 

Thanks, Doug Smith

Amel 54-113, Aventura
Deltaville VA, USA

On Oct 5, 2022, at 11:29 PM, rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@...> wrote:

Hi Eloi,
I'm getting ready to install my WS500.  Did you take any more photos?  Also, just to confirm, the Leece-Neville is positive excitation, right?  Needing a  WS500-PH harness with P-Type alternators (vs N-Type).
Bob   KAIMI SM429

Doug Smith
 

I had this same question when looking at the Wakespeed regulators. I’m using a mastervolt alternator and wasn’t clear how to know the positive vs negative excitation. I’m not familiar with that with respect to the field excitation. 

Thanks, Doug Smith

Amel 54-113, Aventura
Deltaville VA, USA
Dugsmith98@...

On Oct 5, 2022, at 11:29 PM, rossirossix4 <rossidesigngroup@...> wrote:

Hi Eloi,
I'm getting ready to install my WS500.  Did you take any more photos?  Also, just to confirm, the Leece-Neville is positive excitation, right?  Needing a  WS500-PH harness with P-Type alternators (vs N-Type).
Bob   KAIMI SM429

rossirossix4
 

Hi Eloi,
I'm getting ready to install my WS500.  Did you take any more photos?  Also, just to confirm, the Leece-Neville is positive excitation, right?  Needing a  WS500-PH harness with P-Type alternators (vs N-Type).
Bob   KAIMI SM429
Eloi Bamberg
 

Thanks Dan,
Now I understand. This helps a lot.

@rossirossix4: I will try to make some photos and label them.

Eloi,
SM2K 426 RedLion
Eric Freedman
 

From: kimberlite.ef@...
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 5:03 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: RE: [AmelYachtOwners] Wakespeed WS500 wiring

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of rossirossix4
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 3:17 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Wakespeed WS500 wiring

 

Hi  Eloi,
If you ever figure this out, please post photos with a label for each wire and any mounting ideas you have.  Maybe someone else has this already.  Daniel's photo is helpful but it would be good to have a "B Rousean /Nickomat" style set of instuctions and photos.  I plan to do the project in a month or so.

Bob, KAIMI SM 429

Eric Freedman
 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of rossirossix4
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 3:17 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Wakespeed WS500 wiring

 

Hi  Eloi,
If you ever figure this out, please post photos with a label for each wire and any mounting ideas you have.  Maybe someone else has this already.  Daniel's photo is helpful but it would be good to have a "B Rousean /Nickomat" style set of instuctions and photos.  I plan to do the project in a month or so.

Bob, KAIMI SM 429

rossirossix4
 

Hi  Eloi,
If you ever figure this out, please post photos with a label for each wire and any mounting ideas you have.  Maybe someone else has this already.  Daniel's photo is helpful but it would be good to have a "B Rousean /Nickomat" style set of instuctions and photos.  I plan to do the project in a month or so.

Bob, KAIMI SM 429
Dan Carlson
 

Hello Eloi,. Attached is a photo of the initial wiring with the cap removed over stator. I disconnected the internal yellow wire that was attached and that is where I attached the blue wire from the WS500. I did not cut the old yellow wire but taped it up so I could reinstall the old regulator if needed. 

I hope that helps. 

Regards Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 6:02 AM Eloi Bamberg <eloi.bamberg@...> wrote:
Hello,
Getting a bit confused about the wiring of the WS500 to the Leece Neville. I have read all of the threads on this forum about it but I have still some questions. if I connect the "field" cable of the WS500 instead of the orange one of the original regulator, do I have to cut the internal wire to the diodes?. On the picture of Dan Carlson's installation there is a blue wire going to the middle cap, ????

I want to be sure to make no mistake.

Thanks

Eloi Bamberg
SM2K 426 RedLion

IMG_20191206_144007387.jpg

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Wakespeed's customer service is very responsive (on their website). I was attaching the wires just as you and called them. Not realizing what time it was in Washington state he picked up the call as he was walking his dog at 6am. He said no problem and walked me through it on facetime. That being said I forgot exactly the exact configuration but I did have to cut out the old regulator. Good luck. 
Chuck 
Joy 388

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 6:02 AM Eloi Bamberg <eloi.bamberg@...> wrote:
Hello,
Getting a bit confused about the wiring of the WS500 to the Leece Neville. I have read all of the threads on this forum about it but I have still some questions. if I connect the "field" cable of the WS500 instead of the orange one of the original regulator, do I have to cut the internal wire to the diodes?. On the picture of Dan Carlson's installation there is a blue wire going to the middle cap, ????

I want to be sure to make no mistake.

Thanks

Eloi Bamberg
SM2K 426 RedLion

Eloi Bamberg
 

Hello,
Getting a bit confused about the wiring of the WS500 to the Leece Neville. I have read all of the threads on this forum about it but I have still some questions. if I connect the "field" cable of the WS500 instead of the orange one of the original regulator, do I have to cut the internal wire to the diodes?. On the picture of Dan Carlson's installation there is a blue wire going to the middle cap, ????

I want to be sure to make no mistake.

Thanks

Eloi Bamberg
SM2K 426 RedLion

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