Yes, they sent a wrong part to my rigger and replacement takes them over two weeks…. Not arrived yet.
I am not impressed!
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Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal

Hi Arnold,

Our 54  has just received new rigging from ACMO. It now has the beefed up shrouds as done by Amel on the last series of 54s. I also changed the lower shrouds on the mizzen from 7 to 8mm as I found them a bit stretchy. Rigging has been put on by Caraibes Marin in Martinique. They did an excellent job with professional measuring equipment and proper care for all the mounting points. The boat feels more secure with the rigging at proper tension and such.

ACMO did a great job with preparing the rigging. Only the triadic was a bit too long and had to be shortened by 10 cm.
The new turnbuckles are very nice, all stainless steel with bronze inserts for the threads, no chrome to fall off anymore. Caraibe Marine liked them so much they immediately ordered them for themselves as well!
The fact the prices increased is understandable, it seems prices for everything are going trough the roof at the moment. Thank you Putin and Covid….

Arno Luijten
SV Luna
A54-121

Hi Bill,
Notwithstanding my last "tongue-in-cheek" post a few minutes ago that the breathtaking price increase of new ACMO rigging may encourage owners to defer replacement, let me push back a bit on your statement about "almost zero ... failures" with ACMO and that those are with 20 year rigging.

Our Santorin has had two failures of ACMO rigging:

• A mizzen lower backstay broke with an explosive sounding BANG at the top of the lower swage at 17 years. (Yes, close to your 20 benchmark). We were under sail with a 15 kt broad reach in calm seas. We replaced all rigging with ACMO.
• The second failure was in the new ACMO rigging just 10 years later when a mizzen backstay blew out, again, at the top of the lower swage and amazingly while the boat was sitting at the dock. 

I replaced all rigging with non-ACMO that last time, but only because of the shipping cost to the USA (and all lowers terminals are Sta-Locs, not swaged) This is not a knock on ACMO - I still think ACMO is excellent, although I really have no empirical reason to think that - I just have had a great relationship with them and trust their product, as does (did?) Amel. Next time they still will be my vendor of choice - if the price is right.

 Fwiw, Craig
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Craig Briggs - s/v Sangaris / SN68  Tropic Isle Harbor, FL

Greetings all,

At the risk of starting a fiery debate (but my guess is that it will happen anyway, sooner, or later), one of the things that has crossed my mind since I replaced the standing rigging (ACMO, air-freighted to StMaarten) was, when it next falls due in another 10 years, will the acceptability of hi-mod fibres (such as Dyneema/Sprectra) for rigging by then have become of widespread acceptability?

I know of a few (non-AMEL) boats who are now already are going this route, moving away from SS stranded-wire or rod rigging. And I wonder if there are any AMEL owners out there who have also either already travelled this path, or who have done some serious research on the topic and would wish to share their insights.

Thanks in advance.

David
SM#396, Perigee
Whangarei

From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Reply to: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, 28 April 2022 at 9:52 am
To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification" <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] ACMO RIGGING

Nick,

Standing rigging has increased a lot over the past 4 years. Some boat manufacturers have chosen alternative and less costly suppliers. In a way, I can't blame Amel because how many new boat buyers truly understood the value of ACMO rigging? 

I saw non-ACMO standing rigging on an A50 in June 2021. I asked the owner if he knew the brand or if he knew why Amel changed. He had no knowledge. I immediately wrote ACMO and asked about this. I was told, "Our quality has always been as good as possible for us. We understand that we are quite expensive and we understand that sometimes our customers find other solutions." 

I replied to ACMO: "I am very saddened that Amel has chosen to use another standing rigging supplier. I understand that these things happen, but want you to know that I plan to stand with you and support the ACMO brand in my Amel Book, in my 24/7 Support of Amel owners, on my website, and in my Amel Training Courses."

Summary:
As most of you know in the last 40 years there have been almost zero ACMO standing rigging failures on Amels and this exists when too many Amel owners have sailed with 20-year-old standing rigging by ACMO. There is tremendous redundancy of standing rigging on most Amel models. I am aware of a Super Maramu with 20-year-old standing rigging that while under sail lost the starboard side Cap Shroud on the main. The owner furled the sails and motored into port where he had that single shroud replaced. I would never recommend sailing with standing rigging that old and certainly not recommend replacing just one piece.

I plan to continue recommending ACMO. I really do not know much about the new supplier of standing rigging to Amel.

Bill


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On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 02:55 PM, Nicolas Klene wrote:

Hi Everyone
Just had a quote from ACMO this morning with bill’s negotiated 10% discount ,and it was up 20% from March at an eye watering 14610.9 € .
Apparently Amel does not use ACMO anymore for the newer boats like 50s & 60s ,anybody knows who they are using ?
All the best 
Nicolas
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Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille

 Hi Nicolas,
That sounds like irrefutable scientific engineering evidence that your rigging will last 18 years, not 10. 
:-)
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Craig Briggs - s/v Sangaris / SN68  Tropic Isle Harbor, FL

Hi Everyone
Just had a quote from ACMO this morning with bill’s negotiated 10% discount ,and it was up 20% from March at an eye watering 14610.9 € .
Apparently Amel does not use ACMO anymore for the newer boats like 50s & 60s ,anybody knows who they are using ?
All the best 
Nicolas
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Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille

Hi Chip.  If you are looking for a sailmaker in Honolulu, we had great experiences with Art Nelson sailmakers last year.  Great serviced, decent prices and on time.  

Roger
SVAirOps.com
Maramu #104
Nanaimo, BC, Canada

I popped into ACMO a couple of weeks ago while I was in France to get a new Genoa lower turnbuckle. They had one ‘off the shelf’ ready for me. They appeared to be in full normal operation.

Ian
‘Ocean Hobo’

Yes we had a great experience dealing with ACMO and they shipped our rigging here to us in Turkey, through an agent. Fitted it myself with no problems, just took a while doing 1 wire at a time.

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Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356
Currently in Turkey

That is great news Peter, I love hearing that. A sense of normalcy is a great thing. Now if we can get the people who make sail material back on board, we might just have a beach fire after all!!

Good evening Chip, or morning with you I suspect.

Aloha Amelians
  Anyone out there know if ACMO is back on their game as far as putting together complete rigging packages and shipping abroad, in this case to Hawaii.  They said it would take a month for them to do it.  I take them at their word that they would.  Has any of you had any recent experience with ACMO?

Fair Winds
CB
SM2K 430
Hawaii