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Windlass cone lubrification yes or no?
Lofrans and Lewmar suggest grease. I suggest grease. You want the cones to slip under heavy loads or the key will bend and jam.
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On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 9:32 AM Denis Foster <deniswfoster@...> wrote:
Hello Bill,
Do you advise putting some corrosion X on the friction cones of the windlass to get a good free fall? Or is it a bad idea leading to slipping in high load circumstances.Thanks
Denis
Corrosion X makes a nice grease for this application.
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On Nov 6, 2022, at 11:09 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:Lofrans and Lewmar suggest grease. I suggest grease. You want the cones to slip under heavy loads or the key will bend and jam.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School 
On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 9:32 AM Denis Foster <deniswfoster@...> wrote:Hello Bill,
Do you advise putting some corrosion X on the friction cones of the windlass to get a good free fall? Or is it a bad idea leading to slipping in high load circumstances.Thanks
Denis
Thanks I will start by applying some Corrosion X on one of the two cones to see if the slipping is not happening under medium load.
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Le 6 nov. 2022 à 18:34, Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts@...> a écrit :
Corrosion X makes a nice grease for this application.Porter McRobertsA54-152
On Nov 6, 2022, at 11:09 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:Lofrans and Lewmar suggest grease. I suggest grease. You want the cones to slip under heavy loads or the key will bend and jam.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School Hello Bill,
Do you advise putting some corrosion X on the friction cones of the windlass to get a good free fall? Or is it a bad idea leading to slipping in high load circumstances.Thanks
Denis
Dennis. See below. Don’t use the Corrosion X oil, use this instead if you want the thick lubricity of a grease and the corrosion protection of Corrosion X. It’s worked great for us. 
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On Nov 6, 2022, at 12:52 PM, Denis Foster <deniswfoster@...> wrote:
Thanks I will start by applying some Corrosion X on one of the two cones to see if the slipping is not happening under medium load.DenisEnvoyé de mon iPhoneLe 6 nov. 2022 à 18:34, Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts@...> a écrit :Corrosion X makes a nice grease for this application.Porter McRobertsA54-152
On Nov 6, 2022, at 11:09 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:Lofrans and Lewmar suggest grease. I suggest grease. You want the cones to slip under heavy loads or the key will bend and jam.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School Hello Bill,
Do you advise putting some corrosion X on the friction cones of the windlass to get a good free fall? Or is it a bad idea leading to slipping in high load circumstances.Thanks
Denis
Bill Kinney
Lubrication? YES! We clean and grease ours every 3 months.
You WANT the clutch to slip at high loads other wise you WILL break things that are expensive to repair/replace. Think about an anchor that is tightly lodged in the bottom, and you have pulled the chain in until it is vertical. You are waiting for it to break free, then a passing boat's wake lifts the bow. If the clutch doesn't slip, something else WILL give.
Corrosion X grease would be fine, the liquid not at all. This is a good place for a grease rated for "high pressure" which will resist being squeezed out from between the cones, but anything is better than nothing.
Bill Kinney
Sm160, Harmonie
Le Marin, Martinique
http://www.cruisingconsulting.com
You WANT the clutch to slip at high loads other wise you WILL break things that are expensive to repair/replace. Think about an anchor that is tightly lodged in the bottom, and you have pulled the chain in until it is vertical. You are waiting for it to break free, then a passing boat's wake lifts the bow. If the clutch doesn't slip, something else WILL give.
Corrosion X grease would be fine, the liquid not at all. This is a good place for a grease rated for "high pressure" which will resist being squeezed out from between the cones, but anything is better than nothing.
Bill Kinney
Sm160, Harmonie
Le Marin, Martinique
http://www.cruisingconsulting.com
David Vogel
FYI, I use MareLube TEF45 for lubing the friction cones on our windlass -- I also use this product to lube the threads on the SS turnbuckles on our rig to avoid 'galling' (so called "cold welding", or seizing of the threads due to excessive friction and heat build-up between two moving metallic surfaces).
I understand that TefGEL would do the same job (?).
David
SM#396, Perigee
Bay of Islands, NZ
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MareLube TEF45™, by Forespar: tenacious, salt-waterproof, high-load/extreme-pressure anti-corrosion anti-seize lubricant providing long-term barrier-protection between dissimilar metals such as stainless steel screws and bolts used on aluminium spars.
URL: https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=3724930
From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...>
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Date: Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 6:42 am
To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Windlass cone lubrification yes or no?
Lubrication? YES! We clean and grease ours every 3 months.
You WANT the clutch to slip at high loads other wise you WILL break things that are expensive to repair/replace. Think about an anchor that is tightly lodged in the bottom, and you have pulled the chain in until it is vertical. You are waiting for it to break free, then a passing boat's wake lifts the bow. If the clutch doesn't slip, something else WILL give.
Corrosion X grease would be fine, the liquid not at all. This is a good place for a grease rated for "high pressure" which will resist being squeezed out from between the cones, but anything is better than nothing.
Bill Kinney
Sm160, Harmonie
Le Marin, Martinique
http://www.cruisingconsulting.com
I understand that TefGEL would do the same job (?).
David
SM#396, Perigee
Bay of Islands, NZ
___
MareLube TEF45™, by Forespar: tenacious, salt-waterproof, high-load/extreme-pressure anti-corrosion anti-seize lubricant providing long-term barrier-protection between dissimilar metals such as stainless steel screws and bolts used on aluminium spars.
URL: https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=3724930
From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...>
Reply to: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 6:42 am
To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Windlass cone lubrification yes or no?
Lubrication? YES! We clean and grease ours every 3 months.
You WANT the clutch to slip at high loads other wise you WILL break things that are expensive to repair/replace. Think about an anchor that is tightly lodged in the bottom, and you have pulled the chain in until it is vertical. You are waiting for it to break free, then a passing boat's wake lifts the bow. If the clutch doesn't slip, something else WILL give.
Corrosion X grease would be fine, the liquid not at all. This is a good place for a grease rated for "high pressure" which will resist being squeezed out from between the cones, but anything is better than nothing.
Bill Kinney
Sm160, Harmonie
Le Marin, Martinique
http://www.cruisingconsulting.com
Bill Kinney
David,
Ordinarily when somebody asks about using TefGel or its close cousins as a lubricant I just say, "NO!" but this is a special case. TefGel or Tef45 would probably work fine in this case. A very low speed, and high pressure application, it seems like this type of material would work well. It's expensive, but a couple drops will do you!
I use Lubriplate 130-AA, but that's because I use that in my MaxProp and I already have it on board. I make no claims that it is "best" for this application, only that it is adequate if renewed every 3 months.
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Le Marine, Martinique
http://www.cruisingconsulting.com
Ordinarily when somebody asks about using TefGel or its close cousins as a lubricant I just say, "NO!" but this is a special case. TefGel or Tef45 would probably work fine in this case. A very low speed, and high pressure application, it seems like this type of material would work well. It's expensive, but a couple drops will do you!
I use Lubriplate 130-AA, but that's because I use that in my MaxProp and I already have it on board. I make no claims that it is "best" for this application, only that it is adequate if renewed every 3 months.
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Le Marine, Martinique
http://www.cruisingconsulting.com