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A54 docking plan and hull support for Keel Foot repair/repaint

WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi All

 

I need to epoxy/repaint my A54 Keel-Foot. Therefore the boat yard is asking for a docking-plan, and if we can dock the A54 supported on the Yard without the Keel Support, if this is possible at all?
I tried to find out in the owners manual how we can support the A54 on a boat yard for painting the Keel Foot (sole). There is no docking plan in the documentations. I asked SAV for such a document; - how and where to support the boat-hull without the bottom keel support in order to re-paint the Cast-Iron with Epoxy and further. I have no answer yet and maybe someone of you did it, or has the experience doing so.

Any successtions?

Best regards

Ruedi Waldispuehl

SY WASABI

AMEL54 #055

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David Dickman
 

Hi rudolph,
  Yes.  My previous owners told me and showed a photo (attached) of using the lift padeyes near fore and aft side stays for extraction of the boat by crane when no sling travel lift is available.  My A54 manual describes this also (don't have that here at the office).  You could lift the boat from here and paint the  keel-foot.

David Dickman
SV Galini
A54#100

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 4:33 AM WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:

Hi All

 

I need to epoxy/repaint my A54 Keel-Foot. Therefore the boat yard is asking for a docking-plan, and if we can dock the A54 supported on the Yard without the Keel Support, if this is possible at all?
I tried to find out in the owners manual how we can support the A54 on a boat yard for painting the Keel Foot (sole). There is no docking plan in the documentations. I asked SAV for such a document; - how and where to support the boat-hull without the bottom keel support in order to re-paint the Cast-Iron with Epoxy and further. I have no answer yet and maybe someone of you did it, or has the experience doing so.

Any successtions?

Best regards

Ruedi Waldispuehl

SY WASABI

AMEL54 #055

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Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Reudi,

 

Maybe I’m misunderstanding the question. The Keel can be worked on with the boat set on normal stands in the yard. The height of the stands can be adjusted so you can have adequate access under the keel.  

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

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Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 docking plan and hull support for Keel Foot repair/repaint

 

Hi All

 

I need to epoxy/repaint my A54 Keel-Foot. Therefore the boat yard is asking for a docking-plan, and if we can dock the A54 supported on the Yard without the Keel Support, if this is possible at all?
I tried to find out in the owners manual how we can support the A54 on a boat yard for painting the Keel Foot (sole). There is no docking plan in the documentations. I asked SAV for such a document; - how and where to support the boat-hull without the bottom keel support in order to re-paint the Cast-Iron with Epoxy and further. I have no answer yet and maybe someone of you did it, or has the experience doing so.

Any successtions?

Best regards

Ruedi Waldispuehl

SY WASABI

AMEL54 #055

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CW Bill Rouse
 

I believe the question posed to Ruedi is: To get access to 100% of the ballast, including the underside, can the full weight of the boat be supported by stands?

I am sure the answer is no. 

I have known of more than one occasion whereby new epoxy was applied to the bottom of the ballast while the boat is suspended in travel lift slings. And, as David said above, the boat could be suspended by cables attached to the chainplates. I know that when every SM and every 54 was in production at Amel, the boat was suspended by cables attached to chainplates, but these boats were not rigged or loaded. I am not sure of the maximum vertical force the chainplates were designed for, although several of us have used this method to lift onto a transport ship.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 10:26 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Reudi,

 

Maybe I’m misunderstanding the question. The Keel can be worked on with the boat set on normal stands in the yard. The height of the stands can be adjusted so you can have adequate access under the keel.  

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

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Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 docking plan and hull support for Keel Foot repair/repaint

 

Hi All

 

I need to epoxy/repaint my A54 Keel-Foot. Therefore the boat yard is asking for a docking-plan, and if we can dock the A54 supported on the Yard without the Keel Support, if this is possible at all?
I tried to find out in the owners manual how we can support the A54 on a boat yard for painting the Keel Foot (sole). There is no docking plan in the documentations. I asked SAV for such a document; - how and where to support the boat-hull without the bottom keel support in order to re-paint the Cast-Iron with Epoxy and further. I have no answer yet and maybe someone of you did it, or has the experience doing so.

Any successtions?

Best regards

Ruedi Waldispuehl

SY WASABI

AMEL54 #055

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Courtney Gorman
 

The other option would be to place the support under the keel in an area where you do not need to make as much repair then when it’s done, you can move the support and do the remaining area


On Dec 2, 2022, at 11:41 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


I believe the question posed to Ruedi is: To get access to 100% of the ballast, including the underside, can the full weight of the boat be supported by stands?

I am sure the answer is no. 

I have known of more than one occasion whereby new epoxy was applied to the bottom of the ballast while the boat is suspended in travel lift slings. And, as David said above, the boat could be suspended by cables attached to the chainplates. I know that when every SM and every 54 was in production at Amel, the boat was suspended by cables attached to chainplates, but these boats were not rigged or loaded. I am not sure of the maximum vertical force the chainplates were designed for, although several of us have used this method to lift onto a transport ship.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 10:26 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Reudi,

 

Maybe I’m misunderstanding the question. The Keel can be worked on with the boat set on normal stands in the yard. The height of the stands can be adjusted so you can have adequate access under the keel.  

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

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Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 2:33 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 docking plan and hull support for Keel Foot repair/repaint

 

Hi All

 

I need to epoxy/repaint my A54 Keel-Foot. Therefore the boat yard is asking for a docking-plan, and if we can dock the A54 supported on the Yard without the Keel Support, if this is possible at all?
I tried to find out in the owners manual how we can support the A54 on a boat yard for painting the Keel Foot (sole). There is no docking plan in the documentations. I asked SAV for such a document; - how and where to support the boat-hull without the bottom keel support in order to re-paint the Cast-Iron with Epoxy and further. I have no answer yet and maybe someone of you did it, or has the experience doing so.

Any successtions?

Best regards

Ruedi Waldispuehl

SY WASABI

AMEL54 #055

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Nick Newington
 

Ruedi

I would not want to chock the boat with the keel free. Too scary, too much potential point loading on the hull….. I would do the job in two hits. Use 30cm thick wood blocks rather than 15cm ones, placed for and aft under the keel. Then prep and paint everything apart from where the blocks of wood are. When fully dry have the travel lift support the boat while the blocks are moved to allow access to the unpainted section.

I am sure a good job can be done.

Nick

Amelia 
54-019
Leros Gr

On 2 Dec 2022, at 16:40, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

I believe the question posed to Ruedi is: To get access to 100% of the ballast, including the underside, can the full weight of the boat be supported by stands?

I am sure the answer is no. 

I have known of more than one occasion whereby new epoxy was applied to the bottom of the ballast while the boat is suspended in travel lift slings. And, as David said above, the boat could be suspended by cables attached to the chainplates. I know that when every SM and every 54 was in production at Amel, the boat was suspended by cables attached to chainplates, but these boats were not rigged or loaded. I am not sure of the maximum vertical force the chainplates were designed for, although several of us have used this method to lift onto a transport ship.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 10:26 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Reudi,

 

Maybe I’m misunderstanding the question. The Keel can be worked on with the boat set on normal stands in the yard. The height of the stands can be adjusted so you can have adequate access under the keel.  

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

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Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 2:33 AM
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Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 docking plan and hull support for Keel Foot repair/repaint

 

Hi All
 
I need to epoxy/repaint my A54 Keel-Foot. Therefore the boat yard is asking for a docking-plan, and if we can dock the A54 supported on the Yard without the Keel Support, if this is possible at all?
I tried to find out in the owners manual how we can support the A54 on a boat yard for painting the Keel Foot (sole). There is no docking plan in the documentations. I asked SAV for such a document; - how and where to support the boat-hull without the bottom keel support in order to re-paint the Cast-Iron with Epoxy and further. I have no answer yet and maybe someone of you did it, or has the experience doing so.

Any successtions?

Best regards
Ruedi Waldispuehl
SY WASABI
AMEL54 #055
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WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Thank you David, I will keep the boat in the travel lift slings.

Cheers, Ruedi

 

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Hi rudolph,

  Yes.  My previous owners told me and showed a photo (attached) of using the lift padeyes near fore and aft side stays for extraction of the boat by crane when no sling travel lift is available.  My A54 manual describes this also (don't have that here at the office).  You could lift the boat from here and paint the  keel-foot.

 

David Dickman

SV Galini

A54#100

 

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 4:33 AM WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:

Hi All

 

I need to epoxy/repaint my A54 Keel-Foot. Therefore the boat yard is asking for a docking-plan, and if we can dock the A54 supported on the Yard without the Keel Support, if this is possible at all?
I tried to find out in the owners manual how we can support the A54 on a boat yard for painting the Keel Foot (sole). There is no docking plan in the documentations. I asked SAV for such a document; - how and where to support the boat-hull without the bottom keel support in order to re-paint the Cast-Iron with Epoxy and further. I have no answer yet and maybe someone of you did it, or has the experience doing so.

Any successtions?

Best regards

Ruedi Waldispuehl

SY WASABI

AMEL54 #055

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WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Thank you Bill, Nick, Mohamad et all,

 

I agree with your comments and I was somehow sure not to support the boat on the hull solely without support on the keel. But the yard asked because it’s too long time to keep the boat on the slings to apply epoxy multiple times before copper-coat.

The best option is as Nick mentioned, to have blocks of wood and when fully dry move the wood blocks to get access to the unpainted section. The keel sections needs to be dry as well before painting and the best is to move wood support around while sanding, painting, etc.

 

Thanks and best regards

Ruedi on WASABI in Lanzarote

 

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I believe the question posed to Ruedi is: To get access to 100% of the ballast, including the underside, can the full weight of the boat be supported by stands?

 

I am sure the answer is no. 

 

I have known of more than one occasion whereby new epoxy was applied to the bottom of the ballast while the boat is suspended in travel lift slings. And, as David said above, the boat could be suspended by cables attached to the chainplates. I know that when every SM and every 54 was in production at Amel, the boat was suspended by cables attached to chainplates, but these boats were not rigged or loaded. I am not sure of the maximum vertical force the chainplates were designed for, although several of us have used this method to lift onto a transport ship.



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 10:26 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Reudi,

 

Maybe I’m misunderstanding the question. The Keel can be worked on with the boat set on normal stands in the yard. The height of the stands can be adjusted so you can have adequate access under the keel.  

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 2:33 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 docking plan and hull support for Keel Foot repair/repaint

 

Hi All

 

I need to epoxy/repaint my A54 Keel-Foot. Therefore the boat yard is asking for a docking-plan, and if we can dock the A54 supported on the Yard without the Keel Support, if this is possible at all?
I tried to find out in the owners manual how we can support the A54 on a boat yard for painting the Keel Foot (sole). There is no docking plan in the documentations. I asked SAV for such a document; - how and where to support the boat-hull without the bottom keel support in order to re-paint the Cast-Iron with Epoxy and further. I have no answer yet and maybe someone of you did it, or has the experience doing so.

Any successtions?

Best regards

Ruedi Waldispuehl

SY WASABI

AMEL54 #055

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Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Mohammad, if the weight of the vessel is to be  totally on the stands great care would have to be taken to place the stands on strong points eg under bulkheads.
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 03/12/2022 05:26 NZDT Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
 

Hi Reudi,

 

Maybe I’m misunderstanding the question. The Keel can be worked on with the boat set on normal stands in the yard. The height of the stands can be adjusted so you can have adequate access under the keel.  

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 2:33 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 docking plan and hull support for Keel Foot repair/repaint

 

Hi All

 

I need to epoxy/repaint my A54 Keel-Foot. Therefore the boat yard is asking for a docking-plan, and if we can dock the A54 supported on the Yard without the Keel Support, if this is possible at all?
I tried to find out in the owners manual how we can support the A54 on a boat yard for painting the Keel Foot (sole). There is no docking plan in the documentations. I asked SAV for such a document; - how and where to support the boat-hull without the bottom keel support in order to re-paint the Cast-Iron with Epoxy and further. I have no answer yet and maybe someone of you did it, or has the experience doing so.

Any successtions?

Best regards

Ruedi Waldispuehl

SY WASABI

AMEL54 #055

E-MAIL: mail@...

 

Rob Andrews
 

Hi Ruedi,
We just completed that exact same job this week. Our process was to hold the boat in the travelift slings while the iron ballast was blasted and coated with 2 solid coats of International 954 epoxy  it was then set down on blocks once the epoxy had set and we proceeded to complete the antifoul and buffing/polishing/waxing in the usual way.  Priming and antifouling of the areas obstructed by the blocks was done in two stages.  We managed to coordinate with the yard a day with no other lift bookings to allow us time in the slings.  (That however was like herding cats).

--
Rob & Dee
SV Jaygo.
SM#224
Brisbane, Australia

WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Thank you Rob & Dee

 

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Hi Ruedi,
We just completed that exact same job this week. Our process was to hold the boat in the travelift slings while the iron ballast was blasted and coated with 2 solid coats of International 954 epoxy  it was then set down on blocks once the epoxy had set and we proceeded to complete the antifoul and buffing/polishing/waxing in the usual way.  Priming and antifouling of the areas obstructed by the blocks was done in two stages.  We managed to coordinate with the yard a day with no other lift bookings to allow us time in the slings.  (That however was like herding cats).

--
Rob & Dee
SV Jaygo.
SM#224
Brisbane, Australia

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