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Dears I had more than one time an unpleasant experience with the SM main sail . The lower part of the furler tube of the main sail has come off from its place inside the mast during sailing upwind . To keep it again inside the mast we putted the bow in the wind than with a big effort, manually , we lowered the main sail strongly puling it down. This action pulled down also the swivel that has bring back the tube inside the mast . I don’t think ( and I hope) that this problem could be determined by a reduced resistance of the main mast that could generate a higher deformation of the mast slot with the exit of the furler tube . This summer I had again this problem and I find that the main sail clew ring was wrongly connected ( by the wite rope) to the main sail clew ring on the furler tube, although this happened with the little reduced surface of the main sail indeed with the sail little rolled on the tube. After this episode I attached again the lower part of the main sail on the master tube in what I think is correct mode and the furler tube is remained inside the must also sailing upwind with reduced and full main sail . Please do you have some suggestion and idea on this problem . Thanks Marco Mancini SM 304 Italy
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Marco, is it possible that the Foil Profile is broken and no longer attached? If the following is what you have, contact me for the procedures to repair it. It is not difficult.
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Dears I had more than one time an unpleasant experience with the SM main sail . The lower part of the furler tube of the main sail has come off from its place inside the mast during sailing upwind . To keep it again inside the mast we putted the bow in the wind than with a big effort, manually , we lowered the main sail strongly puling it down. This action pulled down also the swivel that has bring back the tube inside the mast . I don’t think ( and I hope) that this problem could be determined by a reduced resistance of the main mast that could generate a higher deformation of the mast slot with the exit of the furler tube . This summer I had again this problem and I find that the main sail clew ring was wrongly connected ( by the wite rope) to the main sail clew ring on the furler tube, although this happened with the little reduced surface of the main sail indeed with the sail little rolled on the tube. After this episode I attached again the lower part of the main sail on the master tube in what I think is correct mode and the furler tube is remained inside the must also sailing upwind with reduced and full main sail . Please do you have some suggestion and idea on this problem . Thanks Marco Mancini SM 304 Italy
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Thanks Bill . The profile is not broken, and it turns in a right way . Indeed, once you have brought the profile again inside the mast it continues to work in a correct way . W are very carefully in turning it for reducing the main sail. We leave the main sail sheet and go to the wind to avoid any pressure on the sail surface during the turning. I am wondering if the profile is little bit squeezed and so that it is easier for it to came out. I hope this is not the case . Cheers Marco Da: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Per conto di CW Bill Rouse
Inviato: martedì 6 dicembre 2022 16:19
A: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Oggetto: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] problem with main sail furler tube Marco, is it possible that the Foil Profile is broken and no longer attached? If the following is what you have, contact me for the procedures to repair it. It is not difficult.
| CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 7:29 AM Marco Mancini < marcomancini61@...> wrote: Dears I had more than one time an unpleasant experience with the SM main sail . The lower part of the furler tube of the main sail has come off from its place inside the mast during sailing upwind . To keep it again inside the mast we putted the bow in the wind than with a big effort, manually , we lowered the main sail strongly puling it down. This action pulled down also the swivel that has bring back the tube inside the mast . I don’t think ( and I hope) that this problem could be determined by a reduced resistance of the main mast that could generate a higher deformation of the mast slot with the exit of the furler tube . This summer I had again this problem and I find that the main sail clew ring was wrongly connected ( by the wite rope) to the main sail clew ring on the furler tube, although this happened with the little reduced surface of the main sail indeed with the sail little rolled on the tube. After this episode I attached again the lower part of the main sail on the master tube in what I think is correct mode and the furler tube is remained inside the must also sailing upwind with reduced and full main sail . Please do you have some suggestion and idea on this problem . Thanks Marco Mancini SM 304 Italy
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Marco,
I do not understand how the profile can come out of the hub. It is normally secured with a bolt.
Post a photo of yours. | | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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Thanks Bill . The profile is not broken, and it turns in a right way . Indeed, once you have brought the profile again inside the mast it continues to work in a correct way . W are very carefully in turning it for reducing the main sail. We leave the main sail sheet and go to the wind to avoid any pressure on the sail surface during the turning. I am wondering if the profile is little bit squeezed and so that it is easier for it to came out. I hope this is not the case . Cheers Marco Marco, is it possible that the Foil Profile is broken and no longer attached? If the following is what you have, contact me for the procedures to repair it. It is not difficult.
| CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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Dears I had more than one time an unpleasant experience with the SM main sail . The lower part of the furler tube of the main sail has come off from its place inside the mast during sailing upwind . To keep it again inside the mast we putted the bow in the wind than with a big effort, manually , we lowered the main sail strongly puling it down. This action pulled down also the swivel that has bring back the tube inside the mast . I don’t think ( and I hope) that this problem could be determined by a reduced resistance of the main mast that could generate a higher deformation of the mast slot with the exit of the furler tube . This summer I had again this problem and I find that the main sail clew ring was wrongly connected ( by the wite rope) to the main sail clew ring on the furler tube, although this happened with the little reduced surface of the main sail indeed with the sail little rolled on the tube. After this episode I attached again the lower part of the main sail on the master tube in what I think is correct mode and the furler tube is remained inside the must also sailing upwind with reduced and full main sail . Please do you have some suggestion and idea on this problem . Thanks Marco Mancini SM 304 Italy
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Bill I will look for the photo. The profile comes out form the mast at the below the lower spreaders. The force exerted by the profile probably induce a deformation of the mast slot so that the profile exits. Do you know if is possible that our profile has a diameter a bit smaller than the usual ones? Thanks Marco Da: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Per conto di CW Bill Rouse
Inviato: mercoledì 7 dicembre 2022 17:09
A: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Oggetto: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] problem with main sail furler tube I do not understand how the profile can come out of the hub. It is normally secured with a bolt.
| CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:54 AM Marco Mancini < marcomancini61@...> wrote: Thanks Bill . The profile is not broken, and it turns in a right way . Indeed, once you have brought the profile again inside the mast it continues to work in a correct way . W are very carefully in turning it for reducing the main sail. We leave the main sail sheet and go to the wind to avoid any pressure on the sail surface during the turning. I am wondering if the profile is little bit squeezed and so that it is easier for it to came out. I hope this is not the case . Cheers Marco Marco, is it possible that the Foil Profile is broken and no longer attached? If the following is what you have, contact me for the procedures to repair it. It is not difficult.
| CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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Dears I had more than one time an unpleasant experience with the SM main sail . The lower part of the furler tube of the main sail has come off from its place inside the mast during sailing upwind . To keep it again inside the mast we putted the bow in the wind than with a big effort, manually , we lowered the main sail strongly puling it down. This action pulled down also the swivel that has bring back the tube inside the mast . I don’t think ( and I hope) that this problem could be determined by a reduced resistance of the main mast that could generate a higher deformation of the mast slot with the exit of the furler tube . This summer I had again this problem and I find that the main sail clew ring was wrongly connected ( by the wite rope) to the main sail clew ring on the furler tube, although this happened with the little reduced surface of the main sail indeed with the sail little rolled on the tube. After this episode I attached again the lower part of the main sail on the master tube in what I think is correct mode and the furler tube is remained inside the must also sailing upwind with reduced and full main sail . Please do you have some suggestion and idea on this problem . Thanks Marco Mancini SM 304 Italy
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Hi Marco, it is possible the hole the securing bolt goes through it worn into a slot.
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 08/12/2022 04:54 NZDT Marco Mancini <marcomancini61@...> wrote:
Thanks Bill .
The profile is not broken, and it turns in a right way .
Indeed, once you have brought the profile again inside the mast it continues to work in a correct way . W are very carefully in turning it for reducing the main sail. We leave the main sail sheet and go to the wind to avoid any pressure on the sail surface during the turning. I am wondering if the profile is little bit squeezed and so that it is easier for it to came out. I hope this is not the case .
Cheers
Marco
Da: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Per conto di CW Bill Rouse
Inviato: martedì 6 dicembre 2022 16:19
A: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Oggetto: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] problem with main sail furler tube
Marco, is it possible that the Foil Profile is broken and no longer attached? If the following is what you have, contact me for the procedures to repair it. It is not difficult.
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Dears
I had more than one time an unpleasant experience with the SM main sail . The lower part of the furler tube of the main sail has come off from its place inside the mast during sailing upwind . To keep it again inside the mast we putted the bow in the wind than with a big effort, manually , we lowered the main sail strongly puling it down.
This action pulled down also the swivel that has bring back the tube inside the mast .
I don’t think ( and I hope) that this problem could be determined by a reduced resistance of the main mast that could generate a higher deformation of the mast slot with the exit of the furler tube .
This summer I had again this problem and I find that the main sail clew ring was wrongly connected ( by the wite rope) to the main sail clew ring on the furler tube, although this happened with the little reduced surface of the main sail indeed with the sail little rolled on the tube.
After this episode I attached again the lower part of the main sail on the master tube in what I think is correct mode and the furler tube is remained inside the must also sailing upwind with reduced and full main sail .
Please do you have some suggestion and idea on this problem .
Thanks
Marco Mancini
SM 304 Italy
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Marco,
This makes no sense. See the drawing below. If the profile comes out of the mast below the lower spreaders, it must be less than 26mm. The SM Profile is 35mm
Something has changed on your SM.
Bill | | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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Bill I will look for the photo. The profile comes out form the mast at the below the lower spreaders. The force exerted by the profile probably induce a deformation of the mast slot so that the profile exits. Do you know if is possible that our profile has a diameter a bit smaller than the usual ones? Thanks Marco I do not understand how the profile can come out of the hub. It is normally secured with a bolt.
| CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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Thanks Bill . The profile is not broken, and it turns in a right way . Indeed, once you have brought the profile again inside the mast it continues to work in a correct way . W are very carefully in turning it for reducing the main sail. We leave the main sail sheet and go to the wind to avoid any pressure on the sail surface during the turning. I am wondering if the profile is little bit squeezed and so that it is easier for it to came out. I hope this is not the case . Cheers Marco Marco, is it possible that the Foil Profile is broken and no longer attached? If the following is what you have, contact me for the procedures to repair it. It is not difficult.
| CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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Dears I had more than one time an unpleasant experience with the SM main sail . The lower part of the furler tube of the main sail has come off from its place inside the mast during sailing upwind . To keep it again inside the mast we putted the bow in the wind than with a big effort, manually , we lowered the main sail strongly puling it down. This action pulled down also the swivel that has bring back the tube inside the mast . I don’t think ( and I hope) that this problem could be determined by a reduced resistance of the main mast that could generate a higher deformation of the mast slot with the exit of the furler tube . This summer I had again this problem and I find that the main sail clew ring was wrongly connected ( by the wite rope) to the main sail clew ring on the furler tube, although this happened with the little reduced surface of the main sail indeed with the sail little rolled on the tube. After this episode I attached again the lower part of the main sail on the master tube in what I think is correct mode and the furler tube is remained inside the must also sailing upwind with reduced and full main sail . Please do you have some suggestion and idea on this problem . Thanks Marco Mancini SM 304 Italy
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Hi Marco..
Are you saying the foil is BENDING mid way up the mast - coming out of the slot - and pulling the base out of its housing at the bottom?
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On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 07:29 AM, Marco Mancini wrote:
I find that the main sail clew ring was wrongly connected ( by the wite rope) to the main sail clew ring on the furler tube, although this happened with the little reduced surface of the main sail indeed with the sail little rolled on the tube.
This seems like an explanation but is confusing to me. I don't understand it. Maybe someone can explain it. Bob KAIMI SM429
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Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
I think what Marco is trying to say is that his mainsail bolt rope is coming out of the foil slot near the lower spreaders. The foil might have a wider than normal slot in this position, perhaps as a result of a repair to the foil?
Derick. BRAVA SM400
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Or, the sail is original and old with a collapsed bolt rope, or someone made a mainsail without the correct size bolt rope. Bill | | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 1:16 PM Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava < derickgates@...> wrote: I think what Marco is trying to say is that his mainsail bolt rope is coming out of the foil slot near the lower spreaders. The foil might have a wider than normal slot in this position, perhaps as a result of a repair to the foil?
Derick. BRAVA SM400
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