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Daniel Alexander Thompson
That makes sense, Bill. Thank you.
I was thinking that a heavier cloth might be potentially more useful as the winds built and the headsails were furled together. Perhaps making it less necessary to remove the ballooner (or fly it on the same side as the Genoa) out of fear of it tearing.
Best regards
Daniel
Oronia Mango #14
Monastir, Tunisia.
I was thinking that a heavier cloth might be potentially more useful as the winds built and the headsails were furled together. Perhaps making it less necessary to remove the ballooner (or fly it on the same side as the Genoa) out of fear of it tearing.
Best regards
Daniel
Oronia Mango #14
Monastir, Tunisia.
Bill Kinney
I don't think heavier cloth would not carry much advantage. It's always a trade-off, heavier sails are stronger in heavier winds, but in light air they don't do as well. A sail used for running straight downwind is most often used in very light apparent winds. So the lighter weight is helpful here.
In winds stronger than the ballooner can tolerate, the genoa by itself moves the boat along nicely, so the extra strength of a heavier fabric on the ballooner really isn't much help.
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Le Marin, Martinique
http://www.cruisingconsulting.com
In winds stronger than the ballooner can tolerate, the genoa by itself moves the boat along nicely, so the extra strength of a heavier fabric on the ballooner really isn't much help.
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Le Marin, Martinique
http://www.cruisingconsulting.com
Paul Harries
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On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 8:11 PM, hanspeter baettig<hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:Hello Billvery good explanation of sailing a SM down wind.I do the same since 28 Years on Tamango, SM 16 with 70‘000 sm under the keel.Like it, well done. Greetings to Martinique.HanspeterSM16, Tamango 2PanamaHeading to the GalapagosVon meinem iPhone gesendetAm 15.12.2022 um 19:44 schrieb Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...>:Paul,
The ballooner is a rather specialized sail that is only usable within a very narrow range of wind angles on either side of dead downwind. It is made of standard 1.5 oz nylon spinnaker fabric, with a size and shape essentially identical to the OEM genoa. In very light conditions, sailing dead downwind is a losing game, no matter how much sail you have up. if our destination is dead downwind, we find the ballooner first becomes faster than reaching and gybing at about 8 knots of true wind. We routinely carry ours at full size until the apparent wind reaches about 12 knots. At that point the boat is moving quite fast, and the true wind will be approaching 20 knots.
There are very few other sails that are actually useful in this range of wind angles. Gennakers for example, are not useful straight downwind. In lighter conditions, it is possible to use a large spinnaker of one flavor or another on a reach and get your downwind VMG higher than a boat pointing downwind with a ballooner. This comes at the cost of more complexity in sail handling.
We have never felt the need for adding a free luff sail on our Super Maramu. We do use the genoa on a pole when we are sailing at wind angles of greater than about 95 or 100 degrees. This stabilizes the sail, and gives us easy sail trim and reefing from the cockpit. Other people really like that extra bit of speed from a nylon sail and don't mind the extra time on the foredeck. There are a couple suppliers making bowsprit kits, and I don't think there is anything that would make one of these more complex to add to a SM than a similar sized boat. There would need to be quite a bit of fussing and mock-up work needed to be sure that the existing systems were not impacted. The SM has very well thought out and functional anchor handling, you wouldn't want to compromise that.
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Le Marin, Martinique
http://www.cruisingconsulting.com
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hanspeter baettig
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very good explanation of sailing a SM down wind.
I do the same since 28 Years on Tamango, SM 16 with 70‘000 sm under the keel.
Like it, well done. Greetings to Martinique.
Hanspeter
SM16, Tamango 2
Panama
Heading to the Galapagos
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Am 15.12.2022 um 19:44 schrieb Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...>:
Paul,
The ballooner is a rather specialized sail that is only usable within a very narrow range of wind angles on either side of dead downwind. It is made of standard 1.5 oz nylon spinnaker fabric, with a size and shape essentially identical to the OEM genoa. In very light conditions, sailing dead downwind is a losing game, no matter how much sail you have up. if our destination is dead downwind, we find the ballooner first becomes faster than reaching and gybing at about 8 knots of true wind. We routinely carry ours at full size until the apparent wind reaches about 12 knots. At that point the boat is moving quite fast, and the true wind will be approaching 20 knots.
There are very few other sails that are actually useful in this range of wind angles. Gennakers for example, are not useful straight downwind. In lighter conditions, it is possible to use a large spinnaker of one flavor or another on a reach and get your downwind VMG higher than a boat pointing downwind with a ballooner. This comes at the cost of more complexity in sail handling.
We have never felt the need for adding a free luff sail on our Super Maramu. We do use the genoa on a pole when we are sailing at wind angles of greater than about 95 or 100 degrees. This stabilizes the sail, and gives us easy sail trim and reefing from the cockpit. Other people really like that extra bit of speed from a nylon sail and don't mind the extra time on the foredeck. There are a couple suppliers making bowsprit kits, and I don't think there is anything that would make one of these more complex to add to a SM than a similar sized boat. There would need to be quite a bit of fussing and mock-up work needed to be sure that the existing systems were not impacted. The SM has very well thought out and functional anchor handling, you wouldn't want to compromise that.
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Le Marin, Martinique
http://www.cruisingconsulting.com
Bill Kinney
Paul,
The ballooner is a rather specialized sail that is only usable within a very narrow range of wind angles on either side of dead downwind. It is made of standard 1.5 oz nylon spinnaker fabric, with a size and shape essentially identical to the OEM genoa. In very light conditions, sailing dead downwind is a losing game, no matter how much sail you have up. if our destination is dead downwind, we find the ballooner first becomes faster than reaching and gybing at about 8 knots of true wind. We routinely carry ours at full size until the apparent wind reaches about 12 knots. At that point the boat is moving quite fast, and the true wind will be approaching 20 knots.
There are very few other sails that are actually useful in this range of wind angles. Gennakers for example, are not useful straight downwind. In lighter conditions, it is possible to use a large spinnaker of one flavor or another on a reach and get your downwind VMG higher than a boat pointing downwind with a ballooner. This comes at the cost of more complexity in sail handling.
We have never felt the need for adding a free luff sail on our Super Maramu. We do use the genoa on a pole when we are sailing at wind angles of greater than about 95 or 100 degrees. This stabilizes the sail, and gives us easy sail trim and reefing from the cockpit. Other people really like that extra bit of speed from a nylon sail and don't mind the extra time on the foredeck. There are a couple suppliers making bowsprit kits, and I don't think there is anything that would make one of these more complex to add to a SM than a similar sized boat. There would need to be quite a bit of fussing and mock-up work needed to be sure that the existing systems were not impacted. The SM has very well thought out and functional anchor handling, you wouldn't want to compromise that.
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Le Marin, Martinique
http://www.cruisingconsulting.com
The ballooner is a rather specialized sail that is only usable within a very narrow range of wind angles on either side of dead downwind. It is made of standard 1.5 oz nylon spinnaker fabric, with a size and shape essentially identical to the OEM genoa. In very light conditions, sailing dead downwind is a losing game, no matter how much sail you have up. if our destination is dead downwind, we find the ballooner first becomes faster than reaching and gybing at about 8 knots of true wind. We routinely carry ours at full size until the apparent wind reaches about 12 knots. At that point the boat is moving quite fast, and the true wind will be approaching 20 knots.
There are very few other sails that are actually useful in this range of wind angles. Gennakers for example, are not useful straight downwind. In lighter conditions, it is possible to use a large spinnaker of one flavor or another on a reach and get your downwind VMG higher than a boat pointing downwind with a ballooner. This comes at the cost of more complexity in sail handling.
We have never felt the need for adding a free luff sail on our Super Maramu. We do use the genoa on a pole when we are sailing at wind angles of greater than about 95 or 100 degrees. This stabilizes the sail, and gives us easy sail trim and reefing from the cockpit. Other people really like that extra bit of speed from a nylon sail and don't mind the extra time on the foredeck. There are a couple suppliers making bowsprit kits, and I don't think there is anything that would make one of these more complex to add to a SM than a similar sized boat. There would need to be quite a bit of fussing and mock-up work needed to be sure that the existing systems were not impacted. The SM has very well thought out and functional anchor handling, you wouldn't want to compromise that.
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Le Marin, Martinique
http://www.cruisingconsulting.com
Paul Harries
Can you please direct me to a resource that sums up SM and SN balloner characteristics, material, strength, conditions to be flown in etc vs other downwind sails whether be Gennaker assymetric etc.
Also can you shed light on your knowledge on attaching a bowspirit extension to sm and SN for furlable sails, I have seen a couple of postings on this.
As you have probably heard the trades really did not materialize in normal fashion for Nov and Dec Atlantic crossings. The combination of sporadic high winds tearing sails just south of Las Palmas and subsequent low winds will probably produce result in some discussion on issue of downwind sails.
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Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer