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I installed a Eberspächer hydronic 8 on hull nr 426. Beside the humiditi 'problem' i think it is a better system than air heater. If you want more details, please PM.
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James,
Great point! Bill | | CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School | | | 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 | |
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Heating via hot water radiators per the Delos installation will heat the boat but this system unfortunately will not remove moisture from the boat like the Amel installed Diesel heaters. Per the Delos videos while cruising in Maine and using this system they had a lot of trouble with condensation.. To dry out the boat when heating you need to bring in the cooler and drier (cooler air cannot hold as much moisture as warmer air) air and heat it. This of course removes some of the warmer air inside the boat so you lose some heat but it takes moisture out the boat in the process. Having cruised Northern climes for more than a decade, I found that moisture accumulation was as much or even more of a problem than the cold. If you can spare the power you could run a dehumidifier to remove excess moisture.
Best,
James Alton
Sueno
Marmaris, Turkey
-----Original Message-----
From: Randall Walker < sailingalbedo@...>
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2022 12:24 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Webasto heater question.
Hello Dave,
If you look through the Delos vids I’m sure he installed a water system throughout.
Not sure when he did it but it was after they retuned with the baby.
Should give some idea of the job you’re considering.
Randall
ALBEDO
A54#56
Hi all, Just jumping on the diesel heater thread w a question. Our SM2K is not equipped with a diesel heater and I would like to add a Webasto Airtop 55.
I have installed this type heater in another boat so am familiar w the process in general but was wondering about the ducting. Does it need to be created from scratch? If so does Amel provide ducting runs?
Although of much larger volume than normal heater ducts can it share the AC ducts?
We re in the US and I’d like to purchase the unit here and bring it back to Greece in the spring so don ‘t have access to the boat to investigate it thoroughly. Any info greatly appreciated.
Happy Holidays.
Dave Bruce
Zia
SM2K 423
It is a complicated issue. You have to turn it on even for a short time so it works and shut it down properly. The fuel supply is very important and Amel has done a very good job by positioning the pump after the Racor filter so the fuel is always in the pump.
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Στάλθηκε από το iPhone of Dimitris Krasopoulos
Mob Greek +306944302318
Mob Dubai
+971564602575
Dear Forum,
I realize this is of little interest to many of you that enjoy better temperatures than we are currently having. I found that our Webasto diesel Airtop 5500 EVO build in 2008 has problems with the software inside the heater.
We noticed the heater going into error mode (Error F2) with some regularity. So we decided the unit could do with a service as it had been just sitting there for more then 10 years. The Webasto dealer replaced the burner and ignition coil, cleaned it and did a test-run. All fine. After the re-install the heater appeared to be fine. After half a day it went back into error mode (Again F2). Next we replace the pump as it was severely corroded and included small air-bubbles in the feed line to the heater. The bubbles went away but not the trouble. Sometimes it would run for 12 hours, sometimes it would cut out at 2 or 3 hours, again with code F2.
Talking to the service point and him talking to Webasto apparently there is a series of this heater that have a poor software version that sort of panics under certain circumstances when the heater output needs to change (because of settings change or a thermostat response).
You can change the software only by replacing the brains of the heater at half the cost of a new heater.
So I decided to buy a new one (AirTop 55 EVO, notice the difference in number) that has an new brain version that can be updated in situ and also has a more modern control unit with timer function and temperature setting in degrees.
Putting in the new unit was fairly simple as the cable harnas is the same, only the cable to the pump uses a different connector and you must replace the pump as well for the newer model. You need to provide a cover plate for the old thermostate hole as the new one is much smaller. All ducts can remain the same as well as the mounting spot. From the outside the heater looks exactly the same.
The new one has ran for several days now with no problems.
Cheers,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
Rotterdam
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Heating via hot water radiators per the Delos installation will heat the boat but this system unfortunately will not remove moisture from the boat like the Amel installed Diesel heaters. Per the Delos videos while cruising in Maine and using this system they had a lot of trouble with condensation.. To dry out the boat when heating you need to bring in the cooler and drier (cooler air cannot hold as much moisture as warmer air) air and heat it. This of course removes some of the warmer air inside the boat so you lose some heat but it takes moisture out the boat in the process. Having cruised Northern climes for more than a decade, I found that moisture accumulation was as much or even more of a problem than the cold. If you can spare the power you could run a dehumidifier to remove excess moisture.
Best,
James Alton
Sueno
Marmaris, Turkey
-----Original Message-----
From: Randall Walker <sailingalbedo@...>
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2022 12:24 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Webasto heater question.
Hello Dave,
If you look through the Delos vids I’m sure he installed a water system throughout.
Not sure when he did it but it was after they retuned with the baby.
Should give some idea of the job you’re considering.
Randall
ALBEDO
A54#56
Hi all, Just jumping on the diesel heater thread w a question. Our SM2K is not equipped with a diesel heater and I would like to add a Webasto Airtop 55.
I have installed this type heater in another boat so am familiar w the process in general but was wondering about the ducting. Does it need to be created from scratch? If so does Amel provide ducting runs?
Although of much larger volume than normal heater ducts can it share the AC ducts?
We re in the US and I’d like to purchase the unit here and bring it back to Greece in the spring so don ‘t have access to the boat to investigate it thoroughly. Any info greatly appreciated.
Happy Holidays.
Dave Bruce
Zia
SM2K 423
It is a complicated issue. You have to turn it on even for a short time so it works and shut it down properly. The fuel supply is very important and Amel has done a very good job by positioning the pump after the Racor filter so the fuel is always in the pump.
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Στάλθηκε από το iPhone of Dimitris Krasopoulos
Mob Greek +306944302318
Mob Dubai
+971564602575
Dear Forum,
I realize this is of little interest to many of you that enjoy better temperatures than we are currently having. I found that our Webasto diesel Airtop 5500 EVO build in 2008 has problems with the software inside the heater.
We noticed the heater going into error mode (Error F2) with some regularity. So we decided the unit could do with a service as it had been just sitting there for more then 10 years. The Webasto dealer replaced the burner and ignition coil, cleaned it and did a test-run. All fine. After the re-install the heater appeared to be fine. After half a day it went back into error mode (Again F2). Next we replace the pump as it was severely corroded and included small air-bubbles in the feed line to the heater. The bubbles went away but not the trouble. Sometimes it would run for 12 hours, sometimes it would cut out at 2 or 3 hours, again with code F2.
Talking to the service point and him talking to Webasto apparently there is a series of this heater that have a poor software version that sort of panics under certain circumstances when the heater output needs to change (because of settings change or a thermostat response).
You can change the software only by replacing the brains of the heater at half the cost of a new heater.
So I decided to buy a new one (AirTop 55 EVO, notice the difference in number) that has an new brain version that can be updated in situ and also has a more modern control unit with timer function and temperature setting in degrees.
Putting in the new unit was fairly simple as the cable harnas is the same, only the cable to the pump uses a different connector and you must replace the pump as well for the newer model. You need to provide a cover plate for the old thermostate hole as the new one is much smaller. All ducts can remain the same as well as the mounting spot. From the outside the heater looks exactly the same.
The new one has ran for several days now with no problems.
Cheers,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
Rotterdam
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Randall SV ALBEDO
Hello Dave, If you look through the Delos vids I’m sure he installed a water system throughout. Not sure when he did it but it was after they retuned with the baby. Should give some idea of the job you’re considering.
Randall ALBEDO A54#56
Hi all, Just jumping on the diesel heater thread w a question. Our SM2K is not equipped with a diesel heater and I would like to add a Webasto Airtop 55. I have installed this type heater in another boat so am familiar w the process in general but was wondering about the ducting. Does it need to be created from scratch? If so does Amel provide ducting runs? Although of much larger volume than normal heater ducts can it share the AC ducts?
We re in the US and I’d like to purchase the unit here and bring it back to Greece in the spring so don ‘t have access to the boat to investigate it thoroughly. Any info greatly appreciated. Happy Holidays. Dave Bruce Zia SM2K 423
It is a complicated issue. You have to turn it on even for a short time so it works and shut it down properly. The fuel supply is very important and Amel has done a very good job by positioning the pump after the Racor filter so the fuel is always in the pump.
================= Στάλθηκε από το iPhone of Dimitris Krasopoulos Mob Greek +306944302318 Mob Dubai +971564602575 Dear Forum,
I realize this is of little interest to many of you that enjoy better temperatures than we are currently having. I found that our Webasto diesel Airtop 5500 EVO build in 2008 has problems with the software inside the heater.
We noticed the heater going into error mode (Error F2) with some regularity. So we decided the unit could do with a service as it had been just sitting there for more then 10 years. The Webasto dealer replaced the burner and ignition coil, cleaned it and did a test-run. All fine. After the re-install the heater appeared to be fine. After half a day it went back into error mode (Again F2). Next we replace the pump as it was severely corroded and included small air-bubbles in the feed line to the heater. The bubbles went away but not the trouble. Sometimes it would run for 12 hours, sometimes it would cut out at 2 or 3 hours, again with code F2.
Talking to the service point and him talking to Webasto apparently there is a series of this heater that have a poor software version that sort of panics under certain circumstances when the heater output needs to change (because of settings change or a thermostat response).
You can change the software only by replacing the brains of the heater at half the cost of a new heater.
So I decided to buy a new one (AirTop 55 EVO, notice the difference in number) that has an new brain version that can be updated in situ and also has a more modern control unit with timer function and temperature setting in degrees.
Putting in the new unit was fairly simple as the cable harnas is the same, only the cable to the pump uses a different connector and you must replace the pump as well for the newer model. You need to provide a cover plate for the old thermostate hole as the new one is much smaller. All ducts can remain the same as well as the mounting spot. From the outside the heater looks exactly the same.
The new one has ran for several days now with no problems.
Cheers,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
Rotterdam
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Amel did not prepare all boats with ducting runs. It takes some thought and care to avoid compromising the watertight bulkheads, especially if you are running ducting to the forward cabin.
Sharing the AC ducts on a Super Maramu is not practical or useful for distributing air from a central heating system. None of the AC ducts span a bulkhead.
My own thought is that a hydronic system would be the easier retrofit because of easier routing. In that case you might be able to integrate the heat exchanger into the existing AC system. With some clever wiring, you might even use the AC blower.
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Le Marin, Martinique
http://www.cruisingconsulting.com
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david bruce
Hi and thanks Vladan, I have installed a hydronic system on my other boat and agree it’s a more even and slightly quieter heat source. Hadn’t heard of a hydronic system on an Amel, so was just going to go with what Amel seemed to do as standard, however I think I will consider it. Thanks again, Dave Zia SM2K 423
On Dec 18, 2022, at 8:47 AM, Vladan SV PAME <vladan.bojic@...> wrote:
David, If I'm in your position to install complete new system I would consider water heating solution instead air heating. In case of water heating you don't need to run through boat bulky air ducting. Instead you run just two water pipes and you need to find a space for small fan coil where you want heat to come out. Also, think that water heating gives much better quality heating then air heating. You can find more here: https://www.webasto-comfort.com/int/product-overview/#!Marine/Heating/Water_HeatersBest Regards, -- Vladan A54 #157 SV PAME
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I guess all Amel boats are prepared for installation a Diesel Air Heater even if the boat is not equipped with a Heater. Before sailing my Sharki from the Mediterranean to the North Sea I installed a China Diesel Air Heater for about 100 Euro completely. I have found it very easy because the Sharki has had already the holes for the air hoses and the Diesel line to the installation place. Only the power cable has to be installed.
By the way an Air Heater is far more faster to warm up the cabins than a water heating device.
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Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently North Sea, Germany
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David, If I'm in your position to install complete new system I would consider water heating solution instead air heating. In case of water heating you don't need to run through boat bulky air ducting. Instead you run just two water pipes and you need to find a space for small fan coil where you want heat to come out. Also, think that water heating gives much better quality heating then air heating. You can find more here: https://www.webasto-comfort.com/int/product-overview/#!Marine/Heating/Water_HeatersBest Regards, -- Vladan A54 #157 SV PAME
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david bruce
Hi all, Just jumping on the diesel heater thread w a question. Our SM2K is not equipped with a diesel heater and I would like to add a Webasto Airtop 55. I have installed this type heater in another boat so am familiar w the process in general but was wondering about the ducting. Does it need to be created from scratch? If so does Amel provide ducting runs? Although of much larger volume than normal heater ducts can it share the AC ducts?
We re in the US and I’d like to purchase the unit here and bring it back to Greece in the spring so don ‘t have access to the boat to investigate it thoroughly. Any info greatly appreciated. Happy Holidays. Dave Bruce Zia SM2K 423
On Dec 18, 2022, at 3:55 AM, Dimitris Krasopoulos <dkrasopoulos@...> wrote:
It is a complicated issue. You have to turn it on even for a short time so it works and shut it down properly. The fuel supply is very important and Amel has done a very good job by positioning the pump after the Racor filter so the fuel is always in the pump.
================= Στάλθηκε από το iPhone of Dimitris Krasopoulos Mob Greek +306944302318 Mob Dubai +971564602575 On 18 Dec 2022, at 1:47 PM, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
Dear Forum,
I realize this is of little interest to many of you that enjoy better temperatures than we are currently having. I found that our Webasto diesel Airtop 5500 EVO build in 2008 has problems with the software inside the heater.
We noticed the heater going into error mode (Error F2) with some regularity. So we decided the unit could do with a service as it had been just sitting there for more then 10 years. The Webasto dealer replaced the burner and ignition coil, cleaned it and did a test-run. All fine. After the re-install the heater appeared to be fine. After half a day it went back into error mode (Again F2). Next we replace the pump as it was severely corroded and included small air-bubbles in the feed line to the heater. The bubbles went away but not the trouble. Sometimes it would run for 12 hours, sometimes it would cut out at 2 or 3 hours, again with code F2.
Talking to the service point and him talking to Webasto apparently there is a series of this heater that have a poor software version that sort of panics under certain circumstances when the heater output needs to change (because of settings change or a thermostat response).
You can change the software only by replacing the brains of the heater at half the cost of a new heater.
So I decided to buy a new one (AirTop 55 EVO, notice the difference in number) that has an new brain version that can be updated in situ and also has a more modern control unit with timer function and temperature setting in degrees.
Putting in the new unit was fairly simple as the cable harnas is the same, only the cable to the pump uses a different connector and you must replace the pump as well for the newer model. You need to provide a cover plate for the old thermostate hole as the new one is much smaller. All ducts can remain the same as well as the mounting spot. From the outside the heater looks exactly the same.
The new one has ran for several days now with no problems.
Cheers,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
Rotterdam
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