On 23 Dec 2022, at 08:56, Malcolm Matalka <mmatalka@...> wrote:

Hello!

This is not an Amel specific question, but I'm buying an Amel Sharki (Hull 89). The boat is in Martinique, the owner is in France, and I am in Netherlands, and we're looking for the best way to do the actual purchase process. This is the first boat I am purchasing so I don't know what exactly needs to happen. The owner is considering talking to a broker for the transaction, but I'd like to avoid the extra cost, if possible.

We are at the purchase step, I've done the survey and I'm happy with the results, so it's just handling the handover of ownership and sending the money, does anyone have any suggestions for the best way to do this? Are there standard contracts we can just use (preferably in English and French)?

Thank you!
/Malcolm

On 23 Dec 2022, at 10:37, Nick Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

Hi Malcolm,

The RYA in the UK publish a standard Bill of Sale document. 

Kind regards

Nick Newington

Amelia

AML 54-019

Leros Gr

On 23 Dec 2022, at 08:56, Malcolm Matalka <mmatalka@...> wrote:

Hello!

This is not an Amel specific question, but I'm buying an Amel Sharki (Hull 89).  The boat is in Martinique, the owner is in France, and I am in Netherlands, and we're looking for the best way to do the actual purchase process. This is the first boat I am purchasing so I don't know what exactly needs to happen.  The owner is considering talking to a broker for the transaction, but I'd like to avoid the extra cost, if possible.

We are at the purchase step, I've done the survey and I'm happy with the results, so it's just handling the handover of ownership and sending the money, does anyone have any suggestions for the best way to do this?  Are there standard contracts we can just use (preferably in English and French)?

Thank you!
/Malcolm

Hello!

This is not an Amel specific question, but I'm buying an Amel Sharki (Hull 89).  The boat is in Martinique, the owner is in France, and I am in Netherlands, and we're looking for the best way to do the actual purchase process.  This is the first boat I am purchasing so I don't know what exactly needs to happen.  The owner is considering talking to a broker for the transaction, but I'd like to avoid the extra cost, if possible.

We are at the purchase step, I've done the survey and I'm happy with the results, so it's just handling the handover of ownership and sending the money, does anyone have any suggestions for the best way to do this?  Are there standard contracts we can just use (preferably in English and French)?

Thank you!
/Malcolm

Malcolm,
You should have an escrow account.

I don’t think I would ever consider selling or buying an expensive item internationally without an escrow account to protect both the buyer
and seller. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/escrow.asp

While I realize that many boats are sold privately without issue, when things go sideways it can get really expensive really quickly. The
sideways part should very much concern you.
IMO you don’t need a broker who “knows” Amels since you have already settled on the vessel and agreed to purchase. You need a person to
protect you in the transaction. A lot of money is at risk. And, since you are asking questions (good for you for doing so), you need
processional help you complete the transaction without risk.
There are lawyers, agencies and brokers who will do this for a nominal fee.
Another option is to finance the boat (and then quickly pay it off). No finance institution in the world is going to transfer funds unless they are
100% certain they are getting a clear title to the boat.
In our case, our vessel was purchased in the USA from a Canadian owned a Turks and Caicos limited corporation to an American/British
owned BVI limited corporation. We had an attorney read all the paperwork and provide an opinion letter for a minimal fee. Bank of America
served as the agent for us and the broker had an escrow account to protect the seller.

With best regards,


Mark


Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

On 12/22/2022 10:56 PM, Malcolm Matalka wrote:

Hello!
This is not an Amel specific question, but I'm buying an Amel Sharki (Hull 89). The boat is in Martinique, the owner is in France, and I am
in Netherlands, and we're looking for the best way to do the actual purchase process. This is the first boat I am purchasing so I don't
know what exactly needs to happen. The owner is considering talking to a broker for the transaction, but I'd like to avoid the extra cost,
if possible.
We are at the purchase step, I've done the survey and I'm happy with the results, so it's just handling the handover of ownership and
sending the money, does anyone have any suggestions for the best way to do this? Are there standard contracts we can just use
(preferably in English and French)?
Thank you! /Malcolm

Malcolm,
Is very exciting buying a boat, but your first is really special and good luck with it.

Better to have a contract written in your country of domicile. Conduct your purchase in currency preferred and favourable to you. Most
importantly of all, have a your agreement ensure that your cash transfers against clear title of your new boat, the usual process is to an
escrow account, and finally be certain that you can reverse out with your cash if the music stops.
Anything is possible but you need a willing buyer and a willing seller. Mark's example is a brilliant example of everyone being on the same
page.
Remember, they built a lot more than one boat, if this one doesn't work out, there will be another and you will still have your funds.
Best regards,
Trevor Lusty
Ireland

Hello everyone, I have a follow-up question.  Purchasing this boat
is still on-going, and I would like to confirm what the broker is
proposing because I do not know:

They say that once the bill of sale has been signed by all
parties, I should transfer the full amount of the boat over to the
owner.

I would like to break the purchase up into two transactions: half
once bill of sale is signed, and the other half after I have
received the Certificate of Registry or the Certificate of
Withdrawal.  I have been told by others not to complete a purchase
without those due to horror stories of everything getting signed
and never receiving the certificate and the broker going to sell
the boat to someone else.

I am told this is unusual receiving some pressure.  Additionally,
they don't really want to write a concrete contract beyond a bill
of sale.  They seem to think that is a sufficiently specific
contract.

Does anyone here have any thoughts? Advice?  I think the Bill of
Sale is valid as a contract, so if they did try to scam me, I
would have legal grounds to do that, but that doesn't mean I'm
going to get any money back even if I were to be on the right side
of the law.

To be clear, I do believe I am being scammed by the broker, but I
would like to do things as safely as I can.

"Trevor Lusty" <trevlusty@...> writes:

> Malcolm,
>               Is very exciting buying a boat, but your first is
>               really special and good luck with it.
>
> Better to have a contract written in your country of domicile.
> Conduct your purchase in currency preferred and favourable to
> you. Most
> importantly of all, have a your agreement ensure that your cash
> transfers against clear title of your new boat, the usual
> process is to an
> escrow account, and finally be certain that you can reverse out
> with your cash if the music stops.
> Anything is possible but you need a willing buyer and a willing
> seller. Mark's example is a brilliant example of everyone being
> on the same
> page.
> Remember, they built a lot more than one boat, if this one
> doesn't work out, there will be another and you will still have
> your funds.
> Best regards,
> Trevor Lusty
> Ireland
> 
>
>           
>
>

Haha it was a typo!  I do not feel that I am being scammed! 

El lun, 30 ene 2023 16:33, Roque <ediroque@...> escribió:

Malcon 

You said: “ I do believe I am being scammed by the broker”

Unless this was a typo and you meant “do not”, I would just look for another broker, one I would have good info about and reasons to consider him/she a good profissional. 

Roque 

Em seg., 30 de jan. de 2023 às 12:11, Malcolm Matalka <mmatalka@...> escreveu:

Hello everyone, I have a follow-up question.  Purchasing this boat
is still on-going, and I would like to confirm what the broker is
proposing because I do not know:

They say that once the bill of sale has been signed by all
parties, I should transfer the full amount of the boat over to the
owner.

I would like to break the purchase up into two transactions: half
once bill of sale is signed, and the other half after I have
received the Certificate of Registry or the Certificate of
Withdrawal.  I have been told by others not to complete a purchase
without those due to horror stories of everything getting signed
and never receiving the certificate and the broker going to sell
the boat to someone else.

I am told this is unusual receiving some pressure.  Additionally,
they don't really want to write a concrete contract beyond a bill
of sale.  They seem to think that is a sufficiently specific
contract.

Does anyone here have any thoughts? Advice?  I think the Bill of
Sale is valid as a contract, so if they did try to scam me, I
would have legal grounds to do that, but that doesn't mean I'm
going to get any money back even if I were to be on the right side
of the law.

To be clear, I do believe I am being scammed by the broker, but I
would like to do things as safely as I can.

"Trevor Lusty" <trevlusty@...> writes:

> Malcolm,
>               Is very exciting buying a boat, but your first is
>               really special and good luck with it.
>
> Better to have a contract written in your country of domicile.
> Conduct your purchase in currency preferred and favourable to
> you. Most
> importantly of all, have a your agreement ensure that your cash
> transfers against clear title of your new boat, the usual
> process is to an
> escrow account, and finally be certain that you can reverse out
> with your cash if the music stops.
> Anything is possible but you need a willing buyer and a willing
> seller. Mark's example is a brilliant example of everyone being
> on the same
> page.
> Remember, they built a lot more than one boat, if this one
> doesn't work out, there will be another and you will still have
> your funds.
> Best regards,
> Trevor Lusty
> Ireland
> 
>
>           
>
>

--
Roque
Attika A54 117
Paraty - Brazil 

Dear Malcolm, you were interested in buying my Sharki in Sardinia last October, you were too late as I had agreed to trade with another
interested party. I am following your problems with the purchase and want to tell you briefly how it went with us. The boat had a German flag
and was bought by an Italian citizen. We did everything without a broker. We signed a bill of sale, but we didn't even do the signatures at the
same time because the buyer got sick and couldn't come to Berlin as planned. Therefore, the seller's signatures were notarised and this deed
was sent to the buyer, who can use this deed to register his property. He also needed the deregistration certificate of the German boat
registration, which was also sent to him. Without these documents, or those required by the Netherlands, the full purchase price should not be
paid, as you still need to have some leverage to keep the seller active. If you use a broker, the documents necessary for your registration, as
far as they have to be provided by the seller, should reach the broker before the entire purchase price is paid to the seller. The agent can be a
kind of trustee who receives the purchase price, so that the seller can be sure that the money will flow, but will not be paid until all the
documents are with the agent.
I hope that gives you some clarity.
Best rergards

ALexander

former owner Sharki #17

Am 30.01.2023 um 16:35 schrieb Malcolm Matalka:

Haha it was a typo! I do not feel that I am being scammed!
El lun, 30 ene 2023 16:33, Roque <ediroque@...> escribió:

Malcon
You said: “ I do believe I am being scammed by the broker”

Unless this was a typo and you meant “do not”, I would just look for another broker, one I would have good info about and reasons
to consider him/she a good profissional.
Roque Em seg., 30 de jan. de 2023 às 12:11, Malcolm Matalka <mmatalka@...> escreveu:

Hello everyone, I have a follow-up question. Purchasing this boat is still on-going, and I would like to confirm what the broker is proposing because I do not know:

They say that once the bill of sale has been signed by all parties, I should transfer the full amount of the boat over to the owner.

I would like to break the purchase up into two transactions: half once bill of sale is signed, and the other half after I have received the Certificate of Registry or the Certificate of Withdrawal. I have been told by others not to complete a purchase without those due to horror stories of everything getting signed and never receiving the certificate and the broker going to sell the boat to someone else.

I am told this is unusual receiving some pressure. Additionally, they don't really want to write a concrete contract beyond a bill of sale. They seem to think that is a sufficiently specific contract.

Does anyone here have any thoughts? Advice? I think the Bill of Sale is valid as a contract, so if they did try to scam me, I would have legal grounds to do that, but that doesn't mean I'm going to get any money back even if I were to be on the right side of the law.

To be clear, I do believe I am being scammed by the broker, but I would like to do things as safely as I can.

"Trevor Lusty" <trevlusty@...> writes:

> Malcolm,
> Is very exciting buying a boat, but your first is really special and good luck with it.
>
> Better to have a contract written in your country of domicile. Conduct your purchase in currency preferred and favourable to you. Most
> importantly of all, have a your agreement ensure that your cash transfers against clear title of your new boat, the usual process is to an
> escrow account, and finally be certain that you can reverse out with your cash if the music stops.
> Anything is possible but you need a willing buyer and a willing seller. Mark's example is a brilliant example of everyone being on the same
> page.
> Remember, they built a lot more than one boat, if this one doesn't work out, there will be another and you will still have your funds.
> Best regards,
> Trevor Lusty
> Ireland
>
>
>

--
Roque
Attika A54 117
Paraty - Brazil

Le 30 janv. 2023 à 17:23, Malcolm Matalka <mmatalka@...> a écrit :

Hey Alex! Good to hear from you!

Bill & Alex, thank you for the advice. Both were very helpful.

"Alexander Burger" <mail@...> writes:

Dear Malcolm, you were interested in buying my Sharki in Sardinia last October, you were too late as I had agreed to trade with another
interested party. I am following your problems with the purchase and want to tell you briefly how it went with us. The boat had a German flag
and was bought by an Italian citizen. We did everything without a broker. We signed a bill of sale, but we didn't even do the signatures at the
same time because the buyer got sick and couldn't come to Berlin as planned. Therefore, the seller's signatures were notarised and this deed
was sent to the buyer, who can use this deed to register his property. He also needed the deregistration certificate of the German boat
registration, which was also sent to him. Without these documents, or those required by the Netherlands, the full purchase price should not be
paid, as you still need to have some leverage to keep the seller active. If you use a broker, the documents necessary for your registration, as
far as they have to be provided by the seller, should reach the broker before the entire purchase price is paid to the seller. The agent can be a
kind of trustee who receives the purchase price, so that the seller can be sure that the money will flow, but will not be paid until all the
documents are with the agent.
I hope that gives you some clarity.
Best rergards

ALexander

former owner Sharki #17

Am 30.01.2023 um 16:35 schrieb Malcolm Matalka:

Haha it was a typo! I do not feel that I am being scammed!
El lun, 30 ene 2023 16:33, Roque <ediroque@...> escribió:

Malcon
You said: “ I do believe I am being scammed by the broker”

Unless this was a typo and you meant “do not”, I would just look for another broker, one I would have good info about and reasons
to consider him/she a good profissional.
Roque Em seg., 30 de jan. de 2023 às 12:11, Malcolm Matalka <mmatalka@...> escreveu:

Hello everyone, I have a follow-up question. Purchasing this boat is still on-going, and I would like to confirm what the broker is proposing because I do not know:

They say that once the bill of sale has been signed by all parties, I should transfer the full amount of the boat over to the owner.

I would like to break the purchase up into two transactions: half once bill of sale is signed, and the other half after I have received the Certificate of Registry or the Certificate of Withdrawal. I have been told by others not to complete a purchase without those due to horror stories of everything getting signed and never receiving the certificate and the broker going to sell the boat to someone else.

I am told this is unusual receiving some pressure. Additionally, they don't really want to write a concrete contract beyond a bill of sale. They seem to think that is a sufficiently specific contract.

Does anyone here have any thoughts? Advice? I think the Bill of Sale is valid as a contract, so if they did try to scam me, I would have legal grounds to do that, but that doesn't mean I'm going to get any money back even if I were to be on the right side of the law.

To be clear, I do believe I am being scammed by the broker, but I would like to do things as safely as I can.

"Trevor Lusty" <trevlusty@...> writes:

Malcolm,
Is very exciting buying a boat, but your first > is > really special and good luck with it.

Better to have a contract written in your country of > domicile. > Conduct your purchase in currency preferred and favourable to > you. Most
importantly of all, have a your agreement ensure that your > cash > transfers against clear title of your new boat, the usual > process is to an
escrow account, and finally be certain that you can reverse > out > with your cash if the music stops.
Anything is possible but you need a willing buyer and a > willing > seller. Mark's example is a brilliant example of everyone > being > on the same
page.
Remember, they built a lot more than one boat, if this one > doesn't work out, there will be another and you will still > have > your funds.
Best regards,
Trevor Lusty
Ireland
>
>

-- Roque
Attika A54 117
Paraty - Brazil

Dear Malcolm, you were interested in buying my Sharki in Sardinia last October, you were too late as I had agreed to trade with another
interested party. I am following your problems with the purchase and want to tell you briefly how it went with us. The boat had a German flag
and was bought by an Italian citizen. We did everything without a broker. We signed a bill of sale, but we didn't even do the signatures at the
same time because the buyer got sick and couldn't come to Berlin as planned. Therefore, the seller's signatures were notarised and this deed
was sent to the buyer, who can use this deed to register his property. He also needed the deregistration certificate of the German boat
registration, which was also sent to him. Without these documents, or those required by the Netherlands, the full purchase price should not be
paid, as you still need to have some leverage to keep the seller active. If you use a broker, the documents necessary for your registration, as
far as they have to be provided by the seller, should reach the broker before the entire purchase price is paid to the seller. The agent can be a
kind of trustee who receives the purchase price, so that the seller can be sure that the money will flow, but will not be paid until all the
documents are with the agent.
I hope that gives you some clarity.
Best rergards

ALexander

former owner Sharki #17

Am 30.01.2023 um 16:35 schrieb Malcolm Matalka:

Haha it was a typo! I do not feel that I am being scammed!
El lun, 30 ene 2023 16:33, Roque <ediroque@...> escribió:

Malcon
You said: “ I do believe I am being scammed by the broker”

Unless this was a typo and you meant “do not”, I would just look for another broker, one I would have good info about and reasons
to consider him/she a good profissional.
Roque Em seg., 30 de jan. de 2023 às 12:11, Malcolm Matalka <mmatalka@...> escreveu:

Hello everyone, I have a follow-up question. Purchasing this boat is still on-going, and I would like to confirm what the broker is proposing because I do not know:

They say that once the bill of sale has been signed by all parties, I should transfer the full amount of the boat over to the owner.

I would like to break the purchase up into two transactions: half once bill of sale is signed, and the other half after I have received the Certificate of Registry or the Certificate of Withdrawal. I have been told by others not to complete a purchase without those due to horror stories of everything getting signed and never receiving the certificate and the broker going to sell the boat to someone else.

I am told this is unusual receiving some pressure. Additionally, they don't really want to write a concrete contract beyond a bill of sale. They seem to think that is a sufficiently specific contract.

Does anyone here have any thoughts? Advice? I think the Bill of Sale is valid as a contract, so if they did try to scam me, I would have legal grounds to do that, but that doesn't mean I'm going to get any money back even if I were to be on the right side of the law.

To be clear, I do believe I am being scammed by the broker, but I would like to do things as safely as I can.

"Trevor Lusty" <trevlusty@...> writes:

> Malcolm,
> Is very exciting buying a boat, but your first is really special and good luck with it.
>
> Better to have a contract written in your country of domicile. Conduct your purchase in currency preferred and favourable to you. Most
> importantly of all, have a your agreement ensure that your cash transfers against clear title of your new boat, the usual process is to an
> escrow account, and finally be certain that you can reverse out with your cash if the music stops.
> Anything is possible but you need a willing buyer and a willing seller. Mark's example is a brilliant example of everyone being on the same
> page.
> Remember, they built a lot more than one boat, if this one doesn't work out, there will be another and you will still have your funds.
> Best regards,
> Trevor Lusty
> Ireland
>
>
>

--
Roque
Attika A54 117
Paraty - Brazil

On 30.01.2023, at 20:57, Malcolm Matalka <mmatalka@...> wrote:

I talked to the owner and explained that I did not want to complete the transaction until I had both pieces of paper and why and he completely understood and agreed and wants to find some way such that we both minimize risk.  So that's great!  I need to find some sort of escrow services I suppose?  I think maybe banks offer this service as well, I'm not sure.

Thank you for the great, and quick, advice, everyone.

"Alexander Burger" <mail@...> writes:

Dear Malcolm, you were interested in buying my Sharki in Sardinia last October, you were too late as I had agreed to trade with another
interested party. I am following your problems with the purchase and want to tell you briefly how it went with us.  The boat had a German flag
and was bought by an Italian citizen. We did everything without a broker. We signed a bill of sale, but we didn't even do the signatures at the
same time because the buyer got sick and couldn't come to Berlin as planned. Therefore, the seller's signatures were notarised and this deed
was sent to the buyer, who can use this deed to register his property. He also needed the deregistration certificate of the German boat
registration, which was also sent to him. Without these documents, or those required by the Netherlands, the full purchase price should not be
paid, as you still need to have some leverage to keep the seller active. If you use a broker, the documents necessary for your registration, as
far as they have to be provided by the seller, should reach the broker before the entire purchase price is paid to the seller. The agent can be a
kind of trustee who receives the purchase price, so that the seller can be sure that the money will flow, but will not be paid until all the
documents are with the agent.
I hope that gives you some clarity. 
Best rergards

ALexander

former owner Sharki #17

Am 30.01.2023 um 16:35 schrieb Malcolm Matalka:

Haha it was a typo!  I do not feel that I am being scammed! 
El lun, 30 ene 2023 16:33, Roque <ediroque@...> escribió:

Malcon 
You said: “ I do believe I am being scammed by the broker”

Unless this was a typo and you meant “do not”, I would just  look for another broker, one I would have good info about and  reasons
to consider him/she a good profissional. 
Roque  Em seg., 30 de jan. de 2023 às 12:11, Malcolm Matalka  <mmatalka@...> escreveu:

Hello everyone, I have a follow-up question.  Purchasing this  boat  is still on-going, and I would like to confirm what the broker  is  proposing because I do not know:

They say that once the bill of sale has been signed by all  parties, I should transfer the full amount of the boat over to  the  owner.

I would like to break the purchase up into two transactions:  half  once bill of sale is signed, and the other half after I have  received the Certificate of Registry or the Certificate of  Withdrawal.  I have been told by others not to complete a  purchase  without those due to horror stories of everything getting  signed  and never receiving the certificate and the broker going to  sell  the boat to someone else.

I am told this is unusual receiving some pressure.  Additionally,  they don't really want to write a concrete contract beyond a  bill  of sale.  They seem to think that is a sufficiently specific  contract.

Does anyone here have any thoughts? Advice?  I think the Bill  of  Sale is valid as a contract, so if they did try to scam me, I  would have legal grounds to do that, but that doesn't mean I'm  going to get any money back even if I were to be on the right  side  of the law.

To be clear, I do believe I am being scammed by the broker, but  I  would like to do things as safely as I can.

"Trevor Lusty" <trevlusty@...> writes:

> Malcolm,
>               Is very exciting buying a boat, but your first  >               is  >               really special and good luck with it.
>
> Better to have a contract written in your country of  > domicile.  > Conduct your purchase in currency preferred and favourable to  > you. Most
> importantly of all, have a your agreement ensure that your  > cash  > transfers against clear title of your new boat, the usual  > process is to an
> escrow account, and finally be certain that you can reverse  > out  > with your cash if the music stops.
> Anything is possible but you need a willing buyer and a  > willing  > seller. Mark's example is a brilliant example of everyone  > being  > on the same
> page.
> Remember, they built a lot more than one boat, if this one  > doesn't work out, there will be another and you will still  > have  > your funds.
> Best regards,
> Trevor Lusty
> Ireland
>   >
>            >
> 
--  Roque
Attika A54 117
Paraty - Brazil  

Le 30 janv. 2023 à 21:09, Naura Slickers & Philipp Schmid <com@...> a écrit :

Hello Alexander,

we had good experiences with https://www.escrow.com/ for business transactions in the past (but nothing boat related and no transactions with actual problems). 

All the best, Philipp

On 30.01.2023, at 20:57, Malcolm Matalka <mmatalka@...> wrote:

I talked to the owner and explained that I did not want to complete the transaction until I had both pieces of paper and why and he completely understood and agreed and wants to find some way such that we both minimize risk.  So that's great!  I need to find some sort of escrow services I suppose?  I think maybe banks offer this service as well, I'm not sure.

Thank you for the great, and quick, advice, everyone.

"Alexander Burger" <mail@...> writes:

Dear Malcolm, you were interested in buying my Sharki in Sardinia last October, you were too late as I had agreed to trade with another
interested party. I am following your problems with the purchase and want to tell you briefly how it went with us.  The boat had a German flag
and was bought by an Italian citizen. We did everything without a broker. We signed a bill of sale, but we didn't even do the signatures at the
same time because the buyer got sick and couldn't come to Berlin as planned. Therefore, the seller's signatures were notarised and this deed
was sent to the buyer, who can use this deed to register his property. He also needed the deregistration certificate of the German boat
registration, which was also sent to him. Without these documents, or those required by the Netherlands, the full purchase price should not be
paid, as you still need to have some leverage to keep the seller active. If you use a broker, the documents necessary for your registration, as
far as they have to be provided by the seller, should reach the broker before the entire purchase price is paid to the seller. The agent can be a
kind of trustee who receives the purchase price, so that the seller can be sure that the money will flow, but will not be paid until all the
documents are with the agent.
I hope that gives you some clarity. 
Best rergards

ALexander

former owner Sharki #17

Am 30.01.2023 um 16:35 schrieb Malcolm Matalka:

Haha it was a typo!  I do not feel that I am being scammed! 
El lun, 30 ene 2023 16:33, Roque <ediroque@...> escribió:

Malcon 
You said: “ I do believe I am being scammed by the broker”

Unless this was a typo and you meant “do not”, I would just  look for another broker, one I would have good info about and  reasons
to consider him/she a good profissional. 
Roque  Em seg., 30 de jan. de 2023 às 12:11, Malcolm Matalka  <mmatalka@...> escreveu:

Hello everyone, I have a follow-up question.  Purchasing this  boat  is still on-going, and I would like to confirm what the broker  is  proposing because I do not know:

They say that once the bill of sale has been signed by all  parties, I should transfer the full amount of the boat over to  the  owner.

I would like to break the purchase up into two transactions:  half  once bill of sale is signed, and the other half after I have  received the Certificate of Registry or the Certificate of  Withdrawal.  I have been told by others not to complete a  purchase  without those due to horror stories of everything getting  signed  and never receiving the certificate and the broker going to  sell  the boat to someone else.

I am told this is unusual receiving some pressure.  Additionally,  they don't really want to write a concrete contract beyond a  bill  of sale.  They seem to think that is a sufficiently specific  contract.

Does anyone here have any thoughts? Advice?  I think the Bill  of  Sale is valid as a contract, so if they did try to scam me, I  would have legal grounds to do that, but that doesn't mean I'm  going to get any money back even if I were to be on the right  side  of the law.

To be clear, I do believe I am being scammed by the broker, but  I  would like to do things as safely as I can.

"Trevor Lusty" <trevlusty@...> writes:

> Malcolm,
>               Is very exciting buying a boat, but your first  >               is  >               really special and good luck with it.
>
> Better to have a contract written in your country of  > domicile.  > Conduct your purchase in currency preferred and favourable to  > you. Most
> importantly of all, have a your agreement ensure that your  > cash  > transfers against clear title of your new boat, the usual  > process is to an
> escrow account, and finally be certain that you can reverse  > out  > with your cash if the music stops.
> Anything is possible but you need a willing buyer and a  > willing  > seller. Mark's example is a brilliant example of everyone  > being  > on the same
> page.
> Remember, they built a lot more than one boat, if this one  > doesn't work out, there will be another and you will still  > have  > your funds.
> Best regards,
> Trevor Lusty
> Ireland
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