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Re-flagging a boat
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Jean-René Guichard
You may try "Philibert plaisance" in Saint Cyprien. Sold a Maramu "Occitania" from 1979 some 10 years ago.
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Malcolm Matalka
Thank you for the help, everyone.
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I reached out to Boudewijn, and it seems that getting a Dutch registry is a bit more complicated than I thought it would be. I'm now leaning more towards maintaining the French flag. The process of finding a broker to do the transaction is also taking longer than I thought. One broker is sort of into doing the transaction but even after asking multiple times hasn't given me a quote. And another broker was kind of rude and then just said they can't be involved in the sale of a 40 year old yacht. Oh well, still trucking. "Vladan SV PAME" <vladan.bojic@...> writes: Hi Malcom, |
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Hi Vladan,
Thanks for the helpful information. I just contacted Boudewijn and he sounds very knowledgeable and willing to help. Teun is correct the ICP is not recognized in all countries. Best regards Laurens A54 - 92 Fun@Sea La Rochelle |
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Vladan SV PAME
Hi Malcom,
When I bought my boat in 2020 I did opposite. Changed from Dutch ICP ( expired, on the name of the previous owner who passed away, and sale contract was made with his wife ) to French Flag where boat was registered since new and then de-registered. Quite complicate administrative case. All of that registration job + radio licence was done by: Lorrendraaier
P. O. Box 196
4870AD Etten-Leur
admin@...
+31 (0)76 50 32 797
Boudewijn Meijer Boudewijn is very knowledgeable guy and he finished all paperwork for me in less then 2 months. Considering that was Dec 20 - Jan 21 ( Covid, lock down, closed offices ) it was fast. For all of his service I paid less then EUR 200. I support Teun saying that Dutch ICP is not flag registration. Actually It was never been flag registration only ownership registration. From 2020 they strictly write in registration document that you don't have a right to flag your boat with Dutch flag. Only proper Dutch registration is via Dutch Cadastre when boat is Dutch nationalized. On the other side if you decide to keep French flag it's quite easy to change ownership from previous owner to you. You just need to inform French custom office where boat is registered by sending them copy of sale agreement ( on French language ). That moment obligation for yearly tax payment ( DAFN ) it's coming to new owner but no need for de-registration and new registration of boat, MMSI stay same .... For A54 year 2010 I pay DAFN about EUR 980 yearly and you can calculate how much you will pay for your boat here: https://bateau-immatriculation.com/pages/calcul-taxe-dafn-2022 Best Regards, -- Vladan A54 #157 SV PAME |
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My SM was in Venice at the time I purchased her in July 2020. Was French flag boat. It took 2 month (due to Covid restrictions) to had her cleared from French boat registry and then 1 week in Slovenia to get Slovenian registry. It took a week because Bonne Anse is Ocean going boat that requires special check from authority approved agency. All cost including the check was 500 Euro. All was done by e-mail.
-- Slavko SM 2000 #279 Bonne Anse in Croatia |
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@Malcolm
The Sharki I bought in 2017 has had a french flag also. I bought her in Monastir, Tunisia by the way but this does not matter. The french owner signed off the boat in France and he send me the attached certificate as a proof the boat has no longer the french flag. Together with some other papers needed in Germany like a photo of the back of the boat with its name and new home port I sended this certificate to the german authority to get the german flag registration. A similiar procedure should exists in the Netherlands. -- Gerhard Mueller Amel Sharki #60 Currently North Sea, Germany |
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Since 2020 (or 2021) Dutch ICP is NOT a FLAG certificate and therefore not recognized internationally.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
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Hi Malcolm, SV Frangipane |
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Hi Malcolm,
Last year I reflagged our Sharki from Belgian to Dutch flag and applied for an ICP. Do you want to register in the Kadaster or reflag by applying for an ICP? Best regards, Sietske SV Frangipane Amel Sharki #16 |
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Tambien de acuerdo con Marco , todo fue facil y sencillo para mi Mango
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John Clark
Agree with Marco. I paid about 450 euro in 2017 to complete the transfer.
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Marco Baldan
Hello Malcom, I am Italian and recently purchased a Sharki under French flag. As European citizens we may register our pleasure boat in any country of the Union and have to follow the rules of that country. As the Italian flag registration is fairly cumbersome and expensive, I had registered my previous sailboat under Polish flag which appeared among the "easiest" and fairly simple and cheap for Europeans. So I have now registered my Sharki under Polish flag. Maybe for you the Dutch registration is better, but, in case you are interested in the Polish one, here are some details: It does not require renewal. Electronic copies of the original documents are sufficient. In my case, I provided the agency with copies of: bill of sale, ID, deregistration from previous flag, the Amel Sharki depliant in case the Polish Authorities wanted to check details like length, width, engine, etc, list of the radio devices present aboard, EU certification of the radio devices, and respective transmission/reception frequencies. Together with the registration you get the radio licence with MMSI and call-ship code. No visit aboard by a surveyor is foreseen for pleasure crafts less than 15 m. For Italians, the cost, through an agency is in the range of 650 euro. The safety equipment requested aboard is minimal and it is left to the skipper to add more, depending on the distance from the coast he intends to navigate. It implies translation of boat and owner documents into Polish so better to do through a specialised agency. The procedure: Deregistration from previous flag. In your case from French flag. This is done by the current owner. Application for Polish flag: Italians get the temporary document within a few days and the definitive certificate within 5-6 weeks. After another few weeks the radio license is available. The certificate is a plastified document the size of a visa card. Hope this may help you. Fair winds, marco
On Tuesday, 10 January 2023 at 19:51:59 CET, Malcolm Matalka <mmatalka@...> wrote:
Hello! I posted a few weeks ago about purchasing an Amel Sharki, and one question is if I want to re-flag it. Currently it has a French flag. I am a resident of the Netherlands, so I thought it probably best to re-flag it here, but does anyone have any advice? Thank you! /Malcolm |
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John Clark
Hi Malcolm, I reflagged Annie from France to US in Martinique. Douglas Yacht Services in Le Marin is familiar with the process. It seemed pretty straightforward. If the boat is in France proper I would ask a broker for assistance....they would surely know a customs agent that can handle the paperwork. Regards, John SV Annie SM 37 St Thomas USVI On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 2:51 PM Malcolm Matalka <mmatalka@...> wrote: Hello! |
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Malcolm Matalka
Hello!
I posted a few weeks ago about purchasing an Amel Sharki, and one question is if I want to re-flag it. Currently it has a French flag. I am a resident of the Netherlands, so I thought it probably best to re-flag it here, but does anyone have any advice? Thank you! /Malcolm |
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