Genoa Furling Direction


Tilo & Jeannette Peters
 

When I took down our genoa for winter, I noticed that the UV protection had been put on the sail as if it furled in a counter-clockwise direction when the sail had been replaced about 6 years ago. Interestingly, that had been done by an official Amel sailmaker and contracted by Amel Hyeres.

Our furler furls in clockwise, and I’ve been told by one person that this is standard. So now the sail loft here has taken the UV protection off in preparation to replace it, but on the opposite side. However, they can’t get the adhesive from the two strips of tape that the sailmaker had put underneath the UV cover down the length of the sail, so if I have it switched, there will be two dirty stripes sown the starboard side of the sail.

They’re suggesting that I just furl the sail in the other direction; however, believing that there’s a reason for everything on an Amel, I wanted to ask if this is the case for the genoa furler. I had the guy on the boat to show him the triple-track foil and explained the balooner setup, and I’m guessing that this may be the reason for the furling direction.

Can anyone confirm that the furler is supposed to furl clockwise, and perhaps why this is so? Also, can you provide any argument as to why it would be a bad thing to rewire the furling controls to have it furl in the opposite direction?

Best,

Tilo,
Ambiente, SM163
Port-Saint-Louis-du-Rhône


John Crosby
 

Hi Tilo,

I shall watch for answers with interest - as mine also furls clockwise on my Maramu (which only has 2 tracks), see photo. Albeit it’s indeed easy to swop the control toggle switch around so it furls counter-clockwise (I know cos I initially connected it wrongly when replacing all toggle switches last month).

Regards John (INUIT, Maramu #253)


On 13 Jan 2023, at 16:39, Tilo & Jeannette Peters <ambiente.sm163@...> wrote:

When I took down our genoa for winter, I noticed that the UV protection had been put on the sail as if it furled in a counter-clockwise direction when the sail had been replaced about 6 years ago. Interestingly, that had been done by an official Amel sailmaker and contracted by Amel Hyeres.

Our furler furls in clockwise, and I’ve been told by one person that this is standard. So now the sail loft here has taken the UV protection off in preparation to replace it, but on the opposite side. However, they can’t get the adhesive from the two strips of tape that the sailmaker had put underneath the UV cover down the length of the sail, so if I have it switched, there will be two dirty stripes sown the starboard side of the sail.

They’re suggesting that I just furl the sail in the other direction; however, believing that there’s a reason for everything on an Amel, I wanted to ask if this is the case for the genoa furler. I had the guy on the boat to show him the triple-track foil and explained the balooner setup, and I’m guessing that this may be the reason for the furling direction.

Can anyone confirm that the furler is supposed to furl clockwise, and perhaps why this is so? Also, can you provide any argument as to why it would be a bad thing to rewire the furling controls to have it furl in the opposite direction?

Best,

Tilo,
Ambiente, SM163
Port-Saint-Louis-du-Rhône







Nicolas Klene
 

Hello Tilo
i generaly furl the Genoa  on the tack I’m in , but it makes sens to furl it with the UV protection on top ! 
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Courtney Gorman
 

With my sail pushing forward to furl and back to unfurl keeps the UV protection in the right place 


On Jan 13, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Nicolas Klene via groups.io <laixoi@...> wrote:

Hello Tilo
i generaly furl the Genoa  on the tack I’m in , but it makes sens to furl it with the UV protection on top ! 
--
Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille


Mark Erdos
 


 

Ours furls anti-clockwise. If you run the switch long enough, in any direction, the sail will unfurl and furl again, right?

For me, it makes sense to have the sail furl when the toggle-switch at the helm is pushed forward (anti-clockwise) and unfurl when pulled back. It matches the diagram by the switch.

If you want to change the direction of the furling motor, reverse the wires to the motor (in the locker to the port-side of the windless).

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us


On 1/13/2023 6:39 AM, Tilo & Jeannette Peters wrote:

When I took down our genoa for winter, I noticed that the UV protection had been put on the sail as if it furled in a counter-clockwise direction when the sail had been replaced about 6 years ago. Interestingly, that had been done by an official Amel sailmaker and contracted by Amel Hyeres. 

Our furler furls in clockwise, and I’ve been told by one person that this is standard. So now the sail loft here has taken the UV protection off in preparation to replace it, but on the opposite side. However, they can’t get the adhesive from the two strips of tape that the sailmaker had put underneath the UV cover down the length of the sail, so if I have it switched, there will be two dirty stripes sown the starboard side of the sail.

They’re suggesting that I just furl the sail in the other direction; however, believing that there’s a reason for everything on an Amel, I wanted to ask if this is the case for the genoa furler. I had the guy on the boat to show him the triple-track foil and explained the balooner setup, and I’m guessing that this may be the reason for the furling direction.

Can anyone confirm that the furler is supposed to furl clockwise, and perhaps why this is so? Also, can you provide any argument as to why it would be a bad thing to rewire the furling controls to have it furl in the opposite direction?

Best,

Tilo,
Ambiente, SM163
Port-Saint-Louis-du-Rhône






Bill Kinney
 

The genoa furling gear does not care at all which way you furl the sail.  It works the same either way.  The motor and gearing would not know the difference. It also would not matter to the ballooner. The only thing that matters is keeping the UV cover of the genoa on the outside.

Having it run “backwards” might be a bit confusing on the labeling of the switch, but that could be partly addressed by switching wires and reversing the motor direction.

Of course having the sailmaker get it “right” is the best option.  

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Simpson Bay Lagoon, Sint Maarten
Http://www.cruisingconsulting.com


 

You can furl in either direction...some SMs furl clockwise, others counterclockwise. I am not sure that there is a correct direction.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 10:39 AM Tilo & Jeannette Peters <ambiente.sm163@...> wrote:
When I took down our genoa for winter, I noticed that the UV protection had been put on the sail as if it furled in a counter-clockwise direction when the sail had been replaced about 6 years ago. Interestingly, that had been done by an official Amel sailmaker and contracted by Amel Hyeres.

Our furler furls in clockwise, and I’ve been told by one person that this is standard. So now the sail loft here has taken the UV protection off in preparation to replace it, but on the opposite side. However, they can’t get the adhesive from the two strips of tape that the sailmaker had put underneath the UV cover down the length of the sail, so if I have it switched, there will be two dirty stripes sown the starboard side of the sail.

They’re suggesting that I just furl the sail in the other direction; however, believing that there’s a reason for everything on an Amel, I wanted to ask if this is the case for the genoa furler. I had the guy on the boat to show him the triple-track foil and explained the balooner setup, and I’m guessing that this may be the reason for the furling direction.

Can anyone confirm that the furler is supposed to furl clockwise, and perhaps why this is so? Also, can you provide any argument as to why it would be a bad thing to rewire the furling controls to have it furl in the opposite direction?

Best,

Tilo,
Ambiente, SM163
Port-Saint-Louis-du-Rhône






Ian Park
 

If the wires on the switch are long enough, loosen the lock nut on the switch, rotate the switch 189 degrees and tighten it up again.
Your Genoa will fuel more easily the way it has always been furled.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Tilo & Jeannette Peters
 

That’s the conundrum, the UV strip (and possibly the sail itself) is built for anti-clockwise furling, but the sail has been furled clockwise as the switch wiring indicates (push forward to furl, back to unfurl). The original owner did not strike me as the type who would rewire anything.

Given the feedback from all (thank you!) it appears that there is no rhyme or reason to the furling direction. I think I’ll just have the sailmaker replace the UV strip as it is and switch the wiring such that the sail furls anti-clockwise.

By the way, since there was not a cover for the furling panel at the helm station, and since I’m aware that UV breaks down the rubber, I picked up a sheet of thermoplastic material as an experiment. My first experiment went pretty well just using a heat gun. It’s a heck of a lot better than the piece of Tupperware and a diving weight that the prior owner had in place. I’ll probably make another attempt tomorrow and I’ll remember to upload a photo of it.

Cheers,

Tilo
Ambiente, SM163
Port-Saint-Louis-du-Rhône

On 13 Jan 2023, at 20:20, Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:

If the wires on the switch are long enough, loosen the lock nut on the switch, rotate the switch 189 degrees and tighten it up again.
Your Genoa will fuel more easily the way it has always been furled.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96