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A54 rudder removal

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Hi all,

 

I want to remove my rudder to change the stuffing and do a general inspection, but have no clue as to how this is done, so would very much appreciate a point in the right direction.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

You do not need to remove the rudder on the 54 to change the packing. You need to remove the top of the rudder post (the quadrant). Then remove the packing nut from the rudder post, remove the old packing, then insert new packing from Amel, and tighten the nut. In 90 days, you will likely need to tighten the nut again.

I have more detailed instructions, but considering your experience, the above will likely work for you.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:24 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I want to remove my rudder to change the stuffing and do a general inspection, but have no clue as to how this is done, so would very much appreciate a point in the right direction.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Thanks Bill, I’ll give it a try. I was wondering if there may be anything else that needs to be checked rudder-wise hence the notion of removing it.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 15 January 2020 21:17
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 rudder removal

 

You do not need to remove the rudder on the 54 to change the packing. You need to remove the top of the rudder post (the quadrant). Then remove the packing nut from the rudder post, remove the old packing, then insert new packing from Amel, and tighten the nut. In 90 days, you will likely need to tighten the nut again.

 

I have more detailed instructions, but considering your experience, the above will likely work for you.


--

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:24 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I want to remove my rudder to change the stuffing and do a general inspection, but have no clue as to how this is done, so would very much appreciate a point in the right direction.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

Paul, 

The rudder stuffing box should be the only thing that may need attention on your 54.
image.png

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 7:43 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Thanks Bill, I’ll give it a try. I was wondering if there may be anything else that needs to be checked rudder-wise hence the notion of removing it.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 15 January 2020 21:17
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 rudder removal

 

You do not need to remove the rudder on the 54 to change the packing. You need to remove the top of the rudder post (the quadrant). Then remove the packing nut from the rudder post, remove the old packing, then insert new packing from Amel, and tighten the nut. In 90 days, you will likely need to tighten the nut again.

 

I have more detailed instructions, but considering your experience, the above will likely work for you.


--

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:24 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I want to remove my rudder to change the stuffing and do a general inspection, but have no clue as to how this is done, so would very much appreciate a point in the right direction.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Thomas Peacock
 

Hi Bill,
Does that advice pertain to the SM also? Or does changing the packing require a haul-out?
Thanks,
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Martinique 


On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:17 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


You do not need to remove the rudder on the 54 to change the packing. You need to remove the top of the rudder post (the quadrant). Then remove the packing nut from the rudder post, remove the old packing, then insert new packing from Amel, and tighten the nut. In 90 days, you will likely need to tighten the nut again.

I have more detailed instructions, but considering your experience, the above will likely work for you.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:24 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I want to remove my rudder to change the stuffing and do a general inspection, but have no clue as to how this is done, so would very much appreciate a point in the right direction.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

Tom,

I don't believe there is a safe answer to your question. For example if you are at anchor with the boat rocking fore to aft, obviously you should not attempt this job. 

The packing should be above the waterline, buI have seen Amels so overloaded that it is not safe to use the bow thruster in the water tool. 

Since many Amels are overloaded and even calm marinas can have surges, I would do this job when out of the water, but I know that Amel Martinique has done this in the water. 

Each owner should evaluate his situation.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 5:23 AM Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:
Hi Bill,
Does that advice pertain to the SM also? Or does changing the packing require a haul-out?
Thanks,
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Martinique 


On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:17 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


You do not need to remove the rudder on the 54 to change the packing. You need to remove the top of the rudder post (the quadrant). Then remove the packing nut from the rudder post, remove the old packing, then insert new packing from Amel, and tighten the nut. In 90 days, you will likely need to tighten the nut again.

I have more detailed instructions, but considering your experience, the above will likely work for you.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:24 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I want to remove my rudder to change the stuffing and do a general inspection, but have no clue as to how this is done, so would very much appreciate a point in the right direction.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Bill,

 

After painstakingly digging out one of the existing stuffing rings I see no sign of dampness and the one I see below it seems to be in pretty good condition. As far as I know this is the first time this has been done and the boat is 12 years old. So I’m wondering if there is any point in going any further? I could just replace the one I dug out. What would be your advice?

 

And if I do need to replace all three then is there a prescribed technique for removing them? For the top one I just hacked away any which way I could!

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 16 January 2020 11:14
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 rudder removal

 

Paul, 

 

The rudder stuffing box should be the only thing that may need attention on your 54.

image.png

 

--

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 7:43 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Thanks Bill, I’ll give it a try. I was wondering if there may be anything else that needs to be checked rudder-wise hence the notion of removing it.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 15 January 2020 21:17
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 rudder removal

 

You do not need to remove the rudder on the 54 to change the packing. You need to remove the top of the rudder post (the quadrant). Then remove the packing nut from the rudder post, remove the old packing, then insert new packing from Amel, and tighten the nut. In 90 days, you will likely need to tighten the nut again.

 

I have more detailed instructions, but considering your experience, the above will likely work for you.


--

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:24 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I want to remove my rudder to change the stuffing and do a general inspection, but have no clue as to how this is done, so would very much appreciate a point in the right direction.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

Paul,

They are installed in layers. Sometimes, replacing the first layer is all that is needed, but there is no guarantee. If you replace the first layer, it may still leak at some point in the near future. That choice is yours.

I am not sure what tools you are using to remove the packing. There are many different tools available:
image.png

I hope this helps you.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
View My Training Calendar


On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 10:46 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Bill,

 

After painstakingly digging out one of the existing stuffing rings I see no sign of dampness and the one I see below it seems to be in pretty good condition. As far as I know this is the first time this has been done and the boat is 12 years old. So I’m wondering if there is any point in going any further? I could just replace the one I dug out. What would be your advice?

 

And if I do need to replace all three then is there a prescribed technique for removing them? For the top one I just hacked away any which way I could!

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 16 January 2020 11:14
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 rudder removal

 

Paul, 

 

The rudder stuffing box should be the only thing that may need attention on your 54.

image.png

 

--

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 7:43 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Thanks Bill, I’ll give it a try. I was wondering if there may be anything else that needs to be checked rudder-wise hence the notion of removing it.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 15 January 2020 21:17
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 rudder removal

 

You do not need to remove the rudder on the 54 to change the packing. You need to remove the top of the rudder post (the quadrant). Then remove the packing nut from the rudder post, remove the old packing, then insert new packing from Amel, and tighten the nut. In 90 days, you will likely need to tighten the nut again.

 

I have more detailed instructions, but considering your experience, the above will likely work for you.


--

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:24 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I want to remove my rudder to change the stuffing and do a general inspection, but have no clue as to how this is done, so would very much appreciate a point in the right direction.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Tom,

not disagreeing with Bill at all (and certainly agree with the need for flat water) but I have done both the bow thruster and the rudder packing in the water. I would consider the rudder job lower risk if there is risk. I did have it suggested to me to put the dinghy on deck on the opposite end and fill it with water. I didn't try it but I would think it would be effective.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 18 January 2020 at 03:58 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Tom,

I don't believe there is a safe answer to your question. For example if you are at anchor with the boat rocking fore to aft, obviously you should not attempt this job. 

The packing should be above the waterline, buI have seen Amels so overloaded that it is not safe to use the bow thruster in the water tool. 

Since many Amels are overloaded and even calm marinas can have surges, I would do this job when out of the water, but I know that Amel Martinique has done this in the water. 

Each owner should evaluate his situation.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Owners Yacht School - www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 5:23 AM Thomas Peacock < peacock8491@...> wrote:
Hi Bill,
Does that advice pertain to the SM also? Or does changing the packing require a haul-out?
Thanks,
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Martinique 

 

On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:17 PM, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote:

You do not need to remove the rudder on the 54 to change the packing. You need to remove the top of the rudder post (the quadrant). Then remove the packing nut from the rudder post, remove the old packing, then insert new packing from Amel, and tighten the nut. In 90 days, you will likely need to tighten the nut again.

I have more detailed instructions, but considering your experience, the above will likely work for you.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
 
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
     
 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:24 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown < paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I want to remove my rudder to change the stuffing and do a general inspection, but have no clue as to how this is done, so would very much appreciate a point in the right direction.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

 

 

 

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Tom, 
We have done both rudder gland packing an the bowthruster while in the water without issues.
The jobs were done whilst in a marina berth with no water movement.
We replaced all three rings of packing with the cut ends offset from each other.
Cheers 
Alan
Elyse SM 437 

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Bill,

 

Many thanks. I have just one more question (I hope!): when I replace the stuffing should I pack with grease?

 

I think I need to get your book.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 17 January 2020 13:12
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 rudder removal

 

Paul,

 

They are installed in layers. Sometimes, replacing the first layer is all that is needed, but there is no guarantee. If you replace the first layer, it may still leak at some point in the near future. That choice is yours.

 

I am not sure what tools you are using to remove the packing. There are many different tools available:

image.png

 

I hope this helps you.


--

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 10:46 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Bill,

 

After painstakingly digging out one of the existing stuffing rings I see no sign of dampness and the one I see below it seems to be in pretty good condition. As far as I know this is the first time this has been done and the boat is 12 years old. So I’m wondering if there is any point in going any further? I could just replace the one I dug out. What would be your advice?

 

And if I do need to replace all three then is there a prescribed technique for removing them? For the top one I just hacked away any which way I could!

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 16 January 2020 11:14
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 rudder removal

 

Paul, 

 

The rudder stuffing box should be the only thing that may need attention on your 54.

image.png

 

--

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 7:43 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Thanks Bill, I’ll give it a try. I was wondering if there may be anything else that needs to be checked rudder-wise hence the notion of removing it.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 15 January 2020 21:17
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 rudder removal

 

You do not need to remove the rudder on the 54 to change the packing. You need to remove the top of the rudder post (the quadrant). Then remove the packing nut from the rudder post, remove the old packing, then insert new packing from Amel, and tighten the nut. In 90 days, you will likely need to tighten the nut again.

 

I have more detailed instructions, but considering your experience, the above will likely work for you.


--

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:24 PM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I want to remove my rudder to change the stuffing and do a general inspection, but have no clue as to how this is done, so would very much appreciate a point in the right direction.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98