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Amel 55 Backstays


 

With the help of a really great 55 client, I have a copy of the instructions for Amel 55 backstays.

I attached it here.



Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 9:40 AM CW Bill Rouse via groups.io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have always wondered why Amel left this out of the Amel 54 manuals. There is not really anything in the 55 or 50 either.

I suggest using this point (blue circle 1st photo below) and rigging two opposing blocks with 2:1 purchase (one with cam cleats - 2nd photo below), just like your Mizzen Boom Preventer. This leaves the smaller winch available to use.
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A pair of these will make your life easy:
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Neither the 54 Users nor Owners manuals say anything about the running backstays. I found this little note that memorializes the confidence Amel had of the Bamar furlers: "The jib furling and the staysail (option) system don’t need any maintenance." I am not sure that statement was accurate, and I did not find a similar statement of Reckmann for the 55 or ProFurl for the 50. Things change.

There is no photo of running backstay rigging in the 55 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed."  

There is no photo of backstay rigging in the Amel 50 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed. Do not navigate under the genoa only."

Maybe the above helps.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:06 AM David Crisp <david@...> wrote:
Having previously had a Super Maramu one of the attractions of getting an A54 was the staysail.  Unfortunately I can't find any information on the correct way to rig the running back stays. What information there is is for an A55, which from what I can see, has a different deck layout to a A54. Below is a photo of the rig I've devised using some blocks with soft shackles left by the previous owner which seem perfect for the job.  I've attached the block to the mooring cleat on the assumption the loops at the base of the stanchion may not be man enough.

Any comments/suggestions from experienced A54 owners?



--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


ULRICH DANGELMEYER
 

THX Bill,
Hi all, are there also French Amelians in the group, they are able to assist?

this is great and very fast response and help.

But please are so kind and let us understand:
What should be a BASTAQUE be, no french translator does know this part…nothing to do with Basque region in northern Spain.

THX in advance for clearance.

Best Regards and stay safe!

Ulrich
„Soleil Bleu“ / A54 #088
<>
Am 24.08.2020 um 17:12 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:

With the help of a really great 55 client, I have a copy of the instructions for Amel 55 backstays.

I attached it here.



Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 9:40 AM CW Bill Rouse via groups.io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have always wondered why Amel left this out of the Amel 54 manuals. There is not really anything in the 55 or 50 either.

I suggest using this point (blue circle 1st photo below) and rigging two opposing blocks with 2:1 purchase (one with cam cleats - 2nd photo below), just like your Mizzen Boom Preventer. This leaves the smaller winch available to use.
image.png
A pair of these will make your life easy:
image.png
Neither the 54 Users nor Owners manuals say anything about the running backstays. I found this little note that memorializes the confidence Amel had of the Bamar furlers: "The jib furling and the staysail (option) system don’t need any maintenance." I am not sure that statement was accurate, and I did not find a similar statement of Reckmann for the 55 or ProFurl for the 50. Things change.

There is no photo of running backstay rigging in the 55 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed."  

There is no photo of backstay rigging in the Amel 50 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed. Do not navigate under the genoa only."

Maybe the above helps.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:06 AM David Crisp <david@...> wrote:
Having previously had a Super Maramu one of the attractions of getting an A54 was the staysail.  Unfortunately I can't find any information on the correct way to rig the running back stays. What information there is is for an A55, which from what I can see, has a different deck layout to a A54. Below is a photo of the rig I've devised using some blocks with soft shackles left by the previous owner which seem perfect for the job.  I've attached the block to the mooring cleat on the assumption the loops at the base of the stanchion may not be man enough.

Any comments/suggestions from experienced A54 owners?



--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58






Denis Foster
 

Hello,

Bastaque is a running back stay or runner.

Denis

Envoyé de mon iPhone


ULRICH DANGELMEYER
 

Merci beaucoup, Denis!

Ulrich.
„Soleil Bleu“
<>
Am 24.08.2020 um 17:31 schrieb Denis Foster <@dwf>:

Hello,

Bastaque is a running back stay or runner.

Denis

Envoyé de mon iPhone


 

Ulrich 

I gave you a link to an English translation by Amel of an Amel document. The only mention of "bastaques" is in the file name of the document. I am sure that Amel is referring to runners or what in English we call backstays
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 10:25 AM ULRICH DANGELMEYER <ulrich.dangelmeyer@...> wrote:
THX Bill,
Hi all, are there also French Amelians in the group, they are able to assist?

this is great and very fast response and help.

But please are so kind and let us understand:
What should be a BASTAQUE be, no french translator does know this part…nothing to do with Basque region in northern Spain.

THX in advance for clearance.

Best Regards and stay safe!

Ulrich
„Soleil Bleu“ / A54 #088
<>
Am 24.08.2020 um 17:12 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:

With the help of a really great 55 client, I have a copy of the instructions for Amel 55 backstays.

I attached it here.



Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 9:40 AM CW Bill Rouse via groups.io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have always wondered why Amel left this out of the Amel 54 manuals. There is not really anything in the 55 or 50 either.

I suggest using this point (blue circle 1st photo below) and rigging two opposing blocks with 2:1 purchase (one with cam cleats - 2nd photo below), just like your Mizzen Boom Preventer. This leaves the smaller winch available to use.
image.png
A pair of these will make your life easy:
image.png
Neither the 54 Users nor Owners manuals say anything about the running backstays. I found this little note that memorializes the confidence Amel had of the Bamar furlers: "The jib furling and the staysail (option) system don’t need any maintenance." I am not sure that statement was accurate, and I did not find a similar statement of Reckmann for the 55 or ProFurl for the 50. Things change.

There is no photo of running backstay rigging in the 55 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed."  

There is no photo of backstay rigging in the Amel 50 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed. Do not navigate under the genoa only."

Maybe the above helps.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:06 AM David Crisp <david@...> wrote:
Having previously had a Super Maramu one of the attractions of getting an A54 was the staysail.  Unfortunately I can't find any information on the correct way to rig the running back stays. What information there is is for an A55, which from what I can see, has a different deck layout to a A54. Below is a photo of the rig I've devised using some blocks with soft shackles left by the previous owner which seem perfect for the job.  I've attached the block to the mooring cleat on the assumption the loops at the base of the stanchion may not be man enough.

Any comments/suggestions from experienced A54 owners?



--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58






ULRICH DANGELMEYER
 

Thank you so much Bill,

everything is now clear and right.
Best wishes
Ulrich
<>
Am 24.08.2020 um 17:35 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:

Ulrich 

I gave you a link to an English translation by Amel of an Amel document. The only mention of "bastaques" is in the file name of the document. I am sure that Amel is referring to runners or what in English we call backstays
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
  
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 10:25 AM ULRICH DANGELMEYER <ulrich.dangelmeyer@...> wrote:
THX Bill,
Hi all, are there also French Amelians in the group, they are able to assist?

this is great and very fast response and help.

But please are so kind and let us understand:
What should be a BASTAQUE be, no french translator does know this part…nothing to do with Basque region in northern Spain.

THX in advance for clearance.

Best Regards and stay safe!

Ulrich
„Soleil Bleu“ / A54 #088
<>
Am 24.08.2020 um 17:12 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:

With the help of a really great 55 client, I have a copy of the instructions for Amel 55 backstays.

I attached it here.



Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
  
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 9:40 AM CW Bill Rouse via groups.io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have always wondered why Amel left this out of the Amel 54 manuals. There is not really anything in the 55 or 50 either.

I suggest using this point (blue circle 1st photo below) and rigging two opposing blocks with 2:1 purchase (one with cam cleats - 2nd photo below), just like your Mizzen Boom Preventer. This leaves the smaller winch available to use.

A pair of these will make your life easy:

Neither the 54 Users nor Owners manuals say anything about the running backstays. I found this little note that memorializes the confidence Amel had of the Bamar furlers:"The jib furling and the staysail (option) system don’t need any maintenance." I am not sure that statement was accurate, and I did not find a similar statement of Reckmann for the 55 or ProFurl for the 50. Things change.

There is no photo of running backstay rigging in the 55 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed."  

There is no photo of backstay rigging in the Amel 50 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed. Do not navigate under the genoa only."

Maybe the above helps.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
  
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:06 AM David Crisp <david@...> wrote:
Having previously had a Super Maramu one of the attractions of getting an A54 was the staysail.  Unfortunately I can't find any information on the correct way to rig the running back stays. What information there is is for an A55, which from what I can see, has a different deck layout to a A54. Below is a photo of the rig I've devised using some blocks with soft shackles left by the previous owner which seem perfect for the job.  I've attached the block to the mooring cleat on the assumption the loops at the base of the stanchion may not be man enough.

Any comments/suggestions from experienced A54 owners?



-- 
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58









Porter McRoberts
 

We’ve been rigging ours to the cleaner and then to the small winch. Rare that we have a circumstance where we need that winch, especially that the jib sheet has a jam cleat. 

My frustration is with the harmonics!  We become a huge sailing violin, with a vibration in the running backstay. Like my dad employed me with the TV antenna to watch 60 minutes when I was a kid, I ask a child to hold the backstay to diminish vibration, or alternatively when the child tires, put a bungee cord on it pulling towards a mizzen stay.   
Any other solutions?  The kids are growing old enough to win their protests.   
The 2-1 or 5-1 cam blocks to the mizzen chain plate may help. 

Porter

Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS A54-152
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Aug 24, 2020, at 5:38 AM, ULRICH DANGELMEYER <ulrich.dangelmeyer@...> wrote:

Thank you so much Bill,

everything is now clear and right.
Best wishes
Ulrich
<>
Am 24.08.2020 um 17:35 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:

Ulrich 

I gave you a link to an English translation by Amel of an Amel document. The only mention of "bastaques" is in the file name of the document. I am sure that Amel is referring to runners or what in English we call backstays
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
  
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 10:25 AM ULRICH DANGELMEYER <ulrich.dangelmeyer@...> wrote:
THX Bill,
Hi all, are there also French Amelians in the group, they are able to assist?

this is great and very fast response and help.

But please are so kind and let us understand:
What should be a BASTAQUE be, no french translator does know this part…nothing to do with Basque region in northern Spain.

THX in advance for clearance.

Best Regards and stay safe!

Ulrich
„Soleil Bleu“ / A54 #088
<>
Am 24.08.2020 um 17:12 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:

With the help of a really great 55 client, I have a copy of the instructions for Amel 55 backstays.

I attached it here.



Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
  
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 9:40 AM CW Bill Rouse via groups.io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have always wondered why Amel left this out of the Amel 54 manuals. There is not really anything in the 55 or 50 either.

I suggest using this point (blue circle 1st photo below) and rigging two opposing blocks with 2:1 purchase (one with cam cleats - 2nd photo below), just like your Mizzen Boom Preventer. This leaves the smaller winch available to use.

A pair of these will make your life easy:

Neither the 54 Users nor Owners manuals say anything about the running backstays. I found this little note that memorializes the confidence Amel had of the Bamar furlers:"The jib furling and the staysail (option) system don’t need any maintenance." I am not sure that statement was accurate, and I did not find a similar statement of Reckmann for the 55 or ProFurl for the 50. Things change.

There is no photo of running backstay rigging in the 55 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed."  

There is no photo of backstay rigging in the Amel 50 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed. Do not navigate under the genoa only."

Maybe the above helps.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
  
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:06 AM David Crisp <david@...> wrote:
Having previously had a Super Maramu one of the attractions of getting an A54 was the staysail.  Unfortunately I can't find any information on the correct way to rig the running back stays. What information there is is for an A55, which from what I can see, has a different deck layout to a A54. Below is a photo of the rig I've devised using some blocks with soft shackles left by the previous owner which seem perfect for the job.  I've attached the block to the mooring cleat on the assumption the loops at the base of the stanchion may not be man enough.

Any comments/suggestions from experienced A54 owners?



-- 
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58








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Joerg Esdorn
 

Porter, on my boat the back stays stretched so much the first time I sailed upwind in more than 35 kn of TWS that I had to put a figure 8 knot into them to shorten them.  I’ve never had a problem with noise from them.  


Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain