Hello to the group,

 

first of all a greetings for the nice forum and of course to the Amel community.

We are "old" Amel customers; 1975 acquired a Kirk and then 1992 a Santorin. Greetings also to Olivier Beaute (who I met 1st time April 1992).

 

On the / my subject. It's about a repowering of our Santorin. The Perkisn is dead. I am thinking of a Volvo Penta D2-60 (possibly also D2-75). I ask myself a few questions, which I'll put at the beginning. Details later (for those who don't want to read that much).

 

To 1.) Has anyone ever installed one of these engines D2-60 or D2-75 in a Santorin?

 

To 2.) Can the C-drive of the Santorin (built in 1992) handle 60 HP or 75 HP or the higher torques?

 

To 3.) Do you have any ideas for a larger propeller with a pitch of, for example, 16 or 18 inches and a diameter of 21 inches?

 

To 4.) Fixed propeller versus folding propeller. Is there any reliable experience at all as to how much loss of speed the fixed-pitch propeller really produces? I do not think so. I will remain with a fixed version.

 

To 5.) Maybe someone has an idea how to get a new Volvo Penta D2-60/75 for a fair price? Boat in Spain. Invoice address in Germany. … …

 

To 6). Corrosion issue... Electrical zero point. Special Amel theme. Does something speak against a new Volvo Penta D2-50/60/75?

 

To the details, to my thoughts:

 

0. The 1992 Santorin serial number 066 is the standard version, i.e. Perkins Prima M50, with the newer gearbox (the first models had something different) and with a standard propeller (fixed-pitch propeller, which is also used as a shaft generator). The propeller is probably: L = left turning , 19= 19 inch diameter, 14 = 14 inch forward way with one turn. The boat is locate today in Barcelona (Spain).

 

1. Since we only drive in the Mediterranean, the Volvo Penta D2 is definitely an option (although this engine is not cheap). Since we don't do long journeys, a turbo is also an option (if we were going to do big ocean crossings, certainly not necessarily, certainly without Turbo better). The D2 is ideal for mounting the engine because the mounting dimensions are identical to the Perkins. And Volvo Penta service / parts are everywhere in our region. Has anyone ever fitted one of these Volvo Penta D2-60 or D2-75 engines?

 

2. We are trending towards D2-60. D2-75 is just an option. Both engines have significantly more power. We'd like the new engine of course! but operate / operating at correspondingly lower speeds. !! As far as I've understood so far, the drives (C-Drive) of the Santorin and the Super Maramu are technically and dimensionally identical. The Super Marama from years of construction ~ 1992 had 60 or 75 HP. Can the C-Drive of the 1992 Santorin handle 60 HP or 75 HP?

 

3. We would then want to match the propeller to the new motor. We are currently sailing at 2,100 rpm with about 6 knots in smooth sea and new antifouling. Even on longer distances we never drive higher than 2,200 maximum 2,300. Let's take 2,200. The D2-50 would have 40 HP at 2,200. The D2-60 would have that 40 HP at 1,700. The D2-75 would have that 40 HP at 1,400. However, I can still extrapolate this one to one. (... not like in a passenger car either; the power is in reserve...) I could imagine 20% more incline. For the D2-60, I would imagine increasing the propeller pitch to 16 inches (114%) or 18 inches (129%) with a 21 inch diameter. We would then drive at a considerably lower speed, the load (revolutions per minute) would be lower, the torque load NM would of course be the same). Do you have any ideas for a larger propeller with a pitch of 16 or 18 inches and a diameter of 21 inches, for example?

 

4. Fixed-pitch propeller with shaft generator or folding propeller? In principle, the fixed-pitch propeller with shaft generator is a good idea. This has also worked well for us. However, if you don't drive much, we let the engine run for 1 or 1.5 hours every day; enough electric power and hot water. We also don't think that the fixed pitch propeller means too much loss of speed when sailing, at 4, 5 or 6 knots. Is there any reliable experience at all as to how much loss of speed the fixed-pitch propeller really produces?

 

5. The prices for the new engine are very different, sometimes exorbitant, especially in Germany and Spain. Maybe someone has an idea how to get a new Volvo Penta D2-60/75 for a fair price?

 

6. On the topic of electronics and the special Amel wiring. I have read this. Hopefully I understand, hopefully. I think this can also be done with the Volvo Penta D2-50/60/75. Hello Bill Rouse, I know this is your topic. Does something speak against a new Volvo Penta D2-50/60/75? (By the way. Bill Rouse. Thank you very much for your moderation and your many helpful hints. !!!)

 

Thank you ALL for your time and always have a good time wherever you are.

 

Best regards

 

Chris

--

Sans Souci
Santorin #066

On 6/11/2022, at 12:23 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:



 

Have you considered a Beta Marine Diesel engine? If I were in your shoes, I would avoid anything where a laptop or special diagnostic equipment is needed, or the engine just shuts down because it's unhappy with something. This is especially true if you plan to sail to remote places in the coming years.

Also, I am of the opinion that turbochargers have no place on a sailboat.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

On 11/5/2022 12:50 PM, Christian Dietz wrote:

Hello to the group,

 

first of all a greetings for the nice forum and of course to the Amel community.

We are "old" Amel customers; 1975 acquired a Kirk and then 1992 a Santorin. Greetings also to Olivier Beaute (who I met 1st time April 1992).

 

On the / my subject. It's about a repowering of our Santorin. The Perkisn is dead. I am thinking of a Volvo Penta D2-60 (possibly also D2-75). I ask myself a few questions, which I'll put at the beginning. Details later (for those who don't want to read that much).

 

To 1.) Has anyone ever installed one of these engines D2-60 or D2-75 in a Santorin?

 

To 2.) Can the C-drive of the Santorin (built in 1992) handle 60 HP or 75 HP or the higher torques?

 

To 3.) Do you have any ideas for a larger propeller with a pitch of, for example, 16 or 18 inches and a diameter of 21 inches?

 

To 4.) Fixed propeller versus folding propeller. Is there any reliable experience at all as to how much loss of speed the fixed-pitch propeller really produces? I do not think so. I will remain with a fixed version.

 

To 5.) Maybe someone has an idea how to get a new Volvo Penta D2-60/75 for a fair price? Boat in Spain. Invoice address in Germany. … …

 

To 6). Corrosion issue... Electrical zero point. Special Amel theme. Does something speak against a new Volvo Penta D2-50/60/75?

 

To the details, to my thoughts:

 

0. The 1992 Santorin serial number 066 is the standard version, i.e. Perkins Prima M50, with the newer gearbox (the first models had something different) and with a standard propeller (fixed-pitch propeller, which is also used as a shaft generator). The propeller is probably: L = left turning , 19= 19 inch diameter, 14 = 14 inch forward way with one turn. The boat is locate today in Barcelona (Spain).

 

1. Since we only drive in the Mediterranean, the Volvo Penta D2 is definitely an option (although this engine is not cheap). Since we don't do long journeys, a turbo is also an option (if we were going to do big ocean crossings, certainly not necessarily, certainly without Turbo better). The D2 is ideal for mounting the engine because the mounting dimensions are identical to the Perkins. And Volvo Penta service / parts are everywhere in our region. Has anyone ever fitted one of these Volvo Penta D2-60 or D2-75 engines?

 

2. We are trending towards D2-60. D2-75 is just an option. Both engines have significantly more power. We'd like the new engine of course! but operate / operating at correspondingly lower speeds. !! As far as I've understood so far, the drives (C-Drive) of the Santorin and the Super Maramu are technically and dimensionally identical. The Super Marama from years of construction ~ 1992 had 60 or 75 HP. Can the C-Drive of the 1992 Santorin handle 60 HP or 75 HP?

 

3. We would then want to match the propeller to the new motor. We are currently sailing at 2,100 rpm with about 6 knots in smooth sea and new antifouling. Even on longer distances we never drive higher than 2,200 maximum 2,300. Let's take 2,200. The D2-50 would have 40 HP at 2,200. The D2-60 would have that 40 HP at 1,700. The D2-75 would have that 40 HP at 1,400. However, I can still extrapolate this one to one. (... not like in a passenger car either; the power is in reserve...) I could imagine 20% more incline. For the D2-60, I would imagine increasing the propeller pitch to 16 inches (114%) or 18 inches (129%) with a 21 inch diameter. We would then drive at a considerably lower speed, the load (revolutions per minute) would be lower, the torque load NM would of course be the same). Do you have any ideas for a larger propeller with a pitch of 16 or 18 inches and a diameter of 21 inches, for example?

 

4. Fixed-pitch propeller with shaft generator or folding propeller? In principle, the fixed-pitch propeller with shaft generator is a good idea. This has also worked well for us. However, if you don't drive much, we let the engine run for 1 or 1.5 hours every day; enough electric power and hot water. We also don't think that the fixed pitch propeller means too much loss of speed when sailing, at 4, 5 or 6 knots. Is there any reliable experience at all as to how much loss of speed the fixed-pitch propeller really produces?

 

5. The prices for the new engine are very different, sometimes exorbitant, especially in Germany and Spain. Maybe someone has an idea how to get a new Volvo Penta D2-60/75 for a fair price?

 

6. On the topic of electronics and the special Amel wiring. I have read this. Hopefully I understand, hopefully. I think this can also be done with the Volvo Penta D2-50/60/75. Hello Bill Rouse, I know this is your topic. Does something speak against a new Volvo Penta D2-50/60/75? (By the way. Bill Rouse. Thank you very much for your moderation and your many helpful hints. !!!)

 

Thank you ALL for your time and always have a good time wherever you are.

 

Best regards

 

Chris

--

Sans Souci
Santorin #066

On 6 Nov 2022, at 09:50, Christian Dietz <cd@...> wrote:

Hello to the group,

 

first of all a greetings for the nice forum and of course to the Amel community.

We are "old" Amel customers; 1975 acquired a Kirk and then 1992 a Santorin. Greetings also to Olivier Beaute (who I met 1st time April 1992).

 

On the / my subject. It's about a repowering of our Santorin. The Perkisn is dead. I am thinking of a Volvo Penta D2-60 (possibly also D2-75). I ask myself a few questions, which I'll put at the beginning. Details later (for those who don't want to read that much).

 

To 1.) Has anyone ever installed one of these engines D2-60 or D2-75 in a Santorin?

 

To 2.) Can the C-drive of the Santorin (built in 1992) handle 60 HP or 75 HP or the higher torques?

 

To 3.) Do you have any ideas for a larger propeller with a pitch of, for example, 16 or 18 inches and a diameter of 21 inches?

 

To 4.) Fixed propeller versus folding propeller. Is there any reliable experience at all as to how much loss of speed the fixed-pitch propeller really produces? I do not think so. I will remain with a fixed version.

 

To 5.) Maybe someone has an idea how to get a new Volvo Penta D2-60/75 for a fair price? Boat in Spain. Invoice address in Germany. … …

 

To 6). Corrosion issue... Electrical zero point. Special Amel theme. Does something speak against a new Volvo Penta D2-50/60/75?

 

To the details, to my thoughts:

 

0. The 1992 Santorin serial number 066 is the standard version, i.e. Perkins Prima M50, with the newer gearbox (the first models had something different) and with a standard propeller (fixed-pitch propeller, which is also used as a shaft generator). The propeller is probably: L = left turning , 19= 19 inch diameter, 14 = 14 inch forward way with one turn. The boat is locate today in Barcelona (Spain).

 

1. Since we only drive in the Mediterranean, the Volvo Penta D2 is definitely an option (although this engine is not cheap). Since we don't do long journeys, a turbo is also an option (if we were going to do big ocean crossings, certainly not necessarily, certainly without Turbo better). The D2 is ideal for mounting the engine because the mounting dimensions are identical to the Perkins. And Volvo Penta service / parts are everywhere in our region. Has anyone ever fitted one of these Volvo Penta D2-60 or D2-75 engines?

 

2. We are trending towards D2-60. D2-75 is just an option. Both engines have significantly more power. We'd like the new engine of course! but operate / operating at correspondingly lower speeds. !! As far as I've understood so far, the drives (C-Drive) of the Santorin and the Super Maramu are technically and dimensionally identical. The Super Marama from years of construction ~ 1992 had 60 or 75 HP. Can the C-Drive of the 1992 Santorin handle 60 HP or 75 HP?

 

3. We would then want to match the propeller to the new motor. We are currently sailing at 2,100 rpm with about 6 knots in smooth sea and new antifouling. Even on longer distances we never drive higher than 2,200 maximum 2,300. Let's take 2,200. The D2-50 would have 40 HP at 2,200. The D2-60 would have that 40 HP at 1,700. The D2-75 would have that 40 HP at 1,400. However, I can still extrapolate this one to one. (... not like in a passenger car either; the power is in reserve...) I could imagine 20% more incline. For the D2-60, I would imagine increasing the propeller pitch to 16 inches (114%) or 18 inches (129%) with a 21 inch diameter. We would then drive at a considerably lower speed, the load (revolutions per minute) would be lower, the torque load NM would of course be the same). Do you have any ideas for a larger propeller with a pitch of 16 or 18 inches and a diameter of 21 inches, for example?

 

4. Fixed-pitch propeller with shaft generator or folding propeller? In principle, the fixed-pitch propeller with shaft generator is a good idea. This has also worked well for us. However, if you don't drive much, we let the engine run for 1 or 1.5 hours every day; enough electric power and hot water. We also don't think that the fixed pitch propeller means too much loss of speed when sailing, at 4, 5 or 6 knots. Is there any reliable experience at all as to how much loss of speed the fixed-pitch propeller really produces?

 

5. The prices for the new engine are very different, sometimes exorbitant, especially in Germany and Spain. Maybe someone has an idea how to get a new Volvo Penta D2-60/75 for a fair price?

 

6. On the topic of electronics and the special Amel wiring. I have read this. Hopefully I understand, hopefully. I think this can also be done with the Volvo Penta D2-50/60/75. Hello Bill Rouse, I know this is your topic. Does something speak against a new Volvo Penta D2-50/60/75? (By the way. Bill Rouse. Thank you very much for your moderation and your many helpful hints. !!!)

 

Thank you ALL for your time and always have a good time wherever you are.

 

Best regards

 

Chris

--

Sans Souci
Santorin #066

On 6 Nov 2022, at 03:38, Márcio Branco <marciogcbranco@...> wrote:

Hello Chris,

Take a look at Solé Diesel Engines, a company of more than 100 years based in Spain (Barcelona). They use Mitsubishi base for more than 40 years and the engines are very simple and robust. I made a deep research and also a full revision with an independent specialized engine shop in La Rochelle on my boat (equipped with a Sole 55). I only had very good feedbacks.They are easy to get spare parts in the Med and are cheaper than Volvo  .It could be a trustfull option.

https://www.solediesel.com/en/history-sole-diesel 

Márcio 

On 6 Nov 2022, at 09:50, Christian Dietz <cd@...> wrote:

Hello to the group,

 

first of all a greetings for the nice forum and of course to the Amel community.

We are "old" Amel customers; 1975 acquired a Kirk and then 1992 a Santorin. Greetings also to Olivier Beaute (who I met 1st time April 1992).

 

On the / my subject. It's about a repowering of our Santorin. The Perkisn is dead. I am thinking of a Volvo Penta D2-60 (possibly also D2-75). I ask myself a few questions, which I'll put at the beginning. Details later (for those who don't want to read that much).

 

To 1.) Has anyone ever installed one of these engines D2-60 or D2-75 in a Santorin?

 

To 2.) Can the C-drive of the Santorin (built in 1992) handle 60 HP or 75 HP or the higher torques?

 

To 3.) Do you have any ideas for a larger propeller with a pitch of, for example, 16 or 18 inches and a diameter of 21 inches?

 

To 4.) Fixed propeller versus folding propeller. Is there any reliable experience at all as to how much loss of speed the fixed-pitch propeller really produces? I do not think so. I will remain with a fixed version.

 

To 5.) Maybe someone has an idea how to get a new Volvo Penta D2-60/75 for a fair price? Boat in Spain. Invoice address in Germany. … …

 

To 6). Corrosion issue... Electrical zero point. Special Amel theme. Does something speak against a new Volvo Penta D2-50/60/75?

 

To the details, to my thoughts:

 

0. The 1992 Santorin serial number 066 is the standard version, i.e. Perkins Prima M50, with the newer gearbox (the first models had something different) and with a standard propeller (fixed-pitch propeller, which is also used as a shaft generator). The propeller is probably: L = left turning , 19= 19 inch diameter, 14 = 14 inch forward way with one turn. The boat is locate today in Barcelona (Spain).

 

1. Since we only drive in the Mediterranean, the Volvo Penta D2 is definitely an option (although this engine is not cheap). Since we don't do long journeys, a turbo is also an option (if we were going to do big ocean crossings, certainly not necessarily, certainly without Turbo better). The D2 is ideal for mounting the engine because the mounting dimensions are identical to the Perkins. And Volvo Penta service / parts are everywhere in our region. Has anyone ever fitted one of these Volvo Penta D2-60 or D2-75 engines?

 

2. We are trending towards D2-60. D2-75 is just an option. Both engines have significantly more power. We'd like the new engine of course! but operate / operating at correspondingly lower speeds. !! As far as I've understood so far, the drives (C-Drive) of the Santorin and the Super Maramu are technically and dimensionally identical. The Super Marama from years of construction ~ 1992 had 60 or 75 HP. Can the C-Drive of the 1992 Santorin handle 60 HP or 75 HP?

 

3. We would then want to match the propeller to the new motor. We are currently sailing at 2,100 rpm with about 6 knots in smooth sea and new antifouling. Even on longer distances we never drive higher than 2,200 maximum 2,300. Let's take 2,200. The D2-50 would have 40 HP at 2,200. The D2-60 would have that 40 HP at 1,700. The D2-75 would have that 40 HP at 1,400. However, I can still extrapolate this one to one. (... not like in a passenger car either; the power is in reserve...) I could imagine 20% more incline. For the D2-60, I would imagine increasing the propeller pitch to 16 inches (114%) or 18 inches (129%) with a 21 inch diameter. We would then drive at a considerably lower speed, the load (revolutions per minute) would be lower, the torque load NM would of course be the same). Do you have any ideas for a larger propeller with a pitch of 16 or 18 inches and a diameter of 21 inches, for example?

 

4. Fixed-pitch propeller with shaft generator or folding propeller? In principle, the fixed-pitch propeller with shaft generator is a good idea. This has also worked well for us. However, if you don't drive much, we let the engine run for 1 or 1.5 hours every day; enough electric power and hot water. We also don't think that the fixed pitch propeller means too much loss of speed when sailing, at 4, 5 or 6 knots. Is there any reliable experience at all as to how much loss of speed the fixed-pitch propeller really produces?

 

5. The prices for the new engine are very different, sometimes exorbitant, especially in Germany and Spain. Maybe someone has an idea how to get a new Volvo Penta D2-60/75 for a fair price?

 

6. On the topic of electronics and the special Amel wiring. I have read this. Hopefully I understand, hopefully. I think this can also be done with the Volvo Penta D2-50/60/75. Hello Bill Rouse, I know this is your topic. Does something speak against a new Volvo Penta D2-50/60/75? (By the way. Bill Rouse. Thank you very much for your moderation and your many helpful hints. !!!)

 

Thank you ALL for your time and always have a good time wherever you are.

 

Best regards

 

Chris

--

Sans Souci
Santorin #066