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[Amel Yacht Owners] New size for Bow Thruster seal

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Interesting change on the seal size for the bow thruster…

2 weeks ago, I received many spare parts from Amel (La Rochelle), as I was labelling them I noted that the seal on the tufnol shaft bow thruster was 29 x 42 x 8.

Thinking it was an error, I contacted Maud which just confirm that they have modified a little the diameters of the seal so that they are more water tight.
Before it was 30 x 42 x 8 now it is 29 x 42 x 8 she added you won’t be able to put them by hand, but will need to grease and use a tool “emporte piece” in french (I personally used PVC pipe).

Glad to see they keep improving their system: the seal, then previous as Bill mention the oil viscosity, etc.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Also forgot to mention the 2 bearings around the tuffnol start are closed and no longer open but closed.
They are now 6006 2RS1 instead of the previous 6006 which is still use at the top.

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Thu, 6/2/16, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New size for Bow Thruster seal
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 2, 2016, 9:00 AM


 









Interesting change on the seal size for the bow
thruster…



2 weeks ago, I received many spare parts from Amel (La
Rochelle), as I was labelling them I noted that the seal on
the tufnol shaft bow thruster was 29 x 42 x 8.



Thinking it was an error, I contacted Maud which just
confirm that they have modified a little the diameters of
the seal so that they are more water tight.

Before it was 30 x 42 x 8 now it is 29 x 42 x 8 she added
you won’t be able to put them by hand, but will need to
grease and use a tool “emporte piece” in french (I
personally used PVC pipe).



Glad to see they keep improving their system: the seal, then
previous as Bill mention the oil viscosity, etc.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico











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karkauai
 

Hi Alex,
I guess I'm unclear about this change.  The outside diameter remains at 42mm, while the inside diameter is smaller.  Why is it harder to install the seal?  It seems to me it would be harder to get the shaft through the seal???  Do you install the seal on the shaft first, then into its seat in the hull?  I've always installed it into the hull first, then brought the shaft up through it.

Thanks,
Kent
SM243
Kristy 
Currently Bonaire 


On Jun 2, 2016, at 10:00 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Interesting change on the seal size for the bow thruster…

2 weeks ago, I received many spare parts from Amel (La Rochelle), as I was labelling them I noted that the seal on the tufnol shaft bow thruster was 29 x 42 x 8.

Thinking it was an error, I contacted Maud which just confirm that they have modified a little the diameters of the seal so that they are more water tight.
Before it was 30 x 42 x 8 now it is 29 x 42 x 8 she added you won’t be able to put them by hand, but will need to grease and use a tool “emporte piece” in french (I personally used PVC pipe).

Glad to see they keep improving their system: the seal, then previous as Bill mention the oil viscosity, etc.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

karkauai
 

You lost me there, Alex.
Kent


On Jun 2, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Also forgot to mention the 2 bearings around the tuffnol start are closed and no longer open but closed.
They are now 6006 2RS1 instead of the previous 6006 which is still use at the top.

Sincerely, Alexandre

---------------------------------

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Kent,

The seal I am talking about is the following:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul/bow_thruster_overhaul_62.jpg
it goes on the tuffnol shaft (inside diameter 30 mm now 29 mm) and fit on the bow thruster foot (outside diameter 42 mm)
So by making it tighter, 29 versus 30 mm it should/will be more water tight.
but since the shaft (I just measured) is 29.47, so putting a seal which is 29.00 mm diameter will be difficult.

Regarding the bearings, before they were what I believe is called “open” (bearing). So you see the balls.
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul/bow_thruster_overhaul_32.jpg
and
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul/bow_thruster_overhaul_35.jpg
Now they are “closed” I didn’t take pictures of the ones I receive, but they look like:
http://images-cdn.azureedge.net/azure/in-resources/7b1e3a30-1a8c-4732-ad14-f856fe78923a/Images/ProductImages/Source/6000-C3_1.jpg;width=600
you don’t see the balls anymore, they are protected.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico




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On Thu, 6/2/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New size for Bow Thruster seal
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 2, 2016, 10:08 AM


 









Hi Alex,I guess I'm unclear
about this change.  The outside diameter remains at 42mm,
while the inside diameter is smaller.  Why is it harder to
install the seal?  It seems to me it would be harder to get
the shaft through the seal???  Do you install the seal on
the shaft first, then into its seat in the hull?  I've
always installed it into the hull first, then brought the
shaft up through it.
Thanks,KentSM243Kristy Currently Bonaire 
On Jun 2,
2016, at 10:00 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Interesting change on the seal size for the bow
thruster…



2 weeks ago, I received many spare parts from Amel (La
Rochelle), as I was labelling them I noted that the seal on
the tufnol shaft bow thruster was 29 x 42 x 8.



Thinking it was an error, I contacted Maud which just
confirm that they have modified a little the diameters of
the seal so that they are more water tight.

Before it was 30 x 42 x 8 now it is 29 x 42 x 8 she added
you won’t be able to put them by hand, but will need to
grease and use a tool “emporte piece” in french (I
personally used PVC pipe).



Glad to see they keep improving their system: the seal, then
previous as Bill mention the oil viscosity, etc.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

karkauai
 

Thanks Alex, now I understand.  A picture is worth a thousand words!
Kent


On Jun 2, 2016, at 11:38 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning Kent,

The seal I am talking about is the following:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul/bow_thruster_overhaul_62.jpg
it goes on the tuffnol shaft (inside diameter 30 mm now 29 mm) and fit on the bow thruster foot (outside diameter 42 mm)
So by making it tighter, 29 versus 30 mm it should/will be more water tight.
but since the shaft (I just measured) is 29.47, so putting a seal which is 29.00 mm diameter will be difficult.

Regarding the bearings, before they were what I believe is called “open” (bearing). So you see the balls.
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul/bow_thruster_overhaul_32.jpg
and
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul/bow_thruster_overhaul_35.jpg
Now they are “closed” I didn’t take pictures of the ones I receive, but they look like:
http://images-cdn.azureedge.net/azure/in-resources/7b1e3a30-1a8c-4732-ad14-f856fe78923a/Images/ProductImages/Source/6000-C3_1.jpg;width=600
you don’t see the balls anymore, they are protected.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Thu, 6/2/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New size for Bow Thruster seal
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 2, 2016, 10:08 AM


 









Hi Alex,I guess I'm unclear
about this change.  The outside diameter remains at 42mm,
while the inside diameter is smaller.  Why is it harder to
install the seal?  It seems to me it would be harder to get
the shaft through the seal???  Do you install the seal on
the shaft first, then into its seat in the hull?  I've
always installed it into the hull first, then brought the
shaft up through it.
Thanks,KentSM243Kristy Currently Bonaire 


On Jun 2,
2016, at 10:00 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Interesting change on the seal size for the bow
thruster…



2 weeks ago, I received many spare parts from Amel (La
Rochelle), as I was labelling them I noted that the seal on
the tufnol shaft bow thruster was 29 x 42 x 8.



Thinking it was an error, I contacted Maud which just
confirm that they have modified a little the diameters of
the seal so that they are more water tight.

Before it was 30 x 42 x 8 now it is 29 x 42 x 8 she added
you won’t be able to put them by hand, but will need to
grease and use a tool “emporte piece” in french (I
personally used PVC pipe).



Glad to see they keep improving their system: the seal, then
previous as Bill mention the oil viscosity, etc.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico


















eric freedman
 

Alexandre,

I believe Bill was talking about the oil in the c-drive changing from 20-40 to 80-90.

Are you talking about the bow thruster or the C-drive?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 10:01 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New size for Bow Thruster seal

 

 

Interesting change on the seal size for the bow thruster…

2 weeks ago, I received many spare parts from Amel (La Rochelle), as I was labelling them I noted that the seal on the tufnol shaft bow thruster was 29 x 42 x 8.

Thinking it was an error, I contacted Maud which just confirm that they have modified a little the diameters of the seal so that they are more water tight.
Before it was 30 x 42 x 8 now it is 29 x 42 x 8 she added you won’t be able to put them by hand, but will need to grease and use a tool “emporte piece” in french (I personally used PVC pipe).

Glad to see they keep improving their system: the seal, then previous as Bill mention the oil viscosity, etc.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Yes sorry my mistake...

Oil for the Bow Thruster should be 90... my bad.

Alexandre



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On Thu, 6/2/16, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] New size for Bow Thruster seal
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 2, 2016, 11:50 AM


 









Alexandre,I believe Bill was
talking about the oil in the c-drive changing from 20-40 to
80-90.Are you talking about
the bow thruster or the C-drive?Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376    From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 10:01
AM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New size
for Bow Thruster seal    Interesting change on the
seal size for the bow thruster…

2 weeks ago, I received many spare parts from
Amel (La Rochelle), as I was labelling them I noted that the
seal on the tufnol shaft bow thruster was 29 x 42 x 8.

Thinking it was an error, I
contacted Maud which just confirm that they have modified a
little the diameters of the seal so that they are more water
tight.
Before it was 30 x 42 x 8 now it is
29 x 42 x 8 she added you won’t be able to put them by
hand, but will need to grease and use a tool “emporte
piece” in french (I personally used PVC pipe).

Glad to see they keep
improving their system: the seal, then previous as Bill
mention the oil viscosity, etc.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289
NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto
Rico










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eric freedman
 

Very bad- but that can be good!

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 1:28 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] New size for Bow Thruster seal

 

 

Yes sorry my mistake...

Oil for the Bow Thruster should be 90... my bad.

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 6/2/16, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] New size for Bow Thruster seal
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 2, 2016, 11:50 AM


 









Alexandre,I believe Bill was
talking about the oil in the c-drive changing from 20-40 to
80-90.Are you talking about
the bow thruster or the C-drive?Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376    From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 10:01
AM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New size
for Bow Thruster seal    Interesting change on the
seal size for the bow thruster…

2 weeks ago, I received many spare parts from
Amel (La Rochelle), as I was labelling them I noted that the
seal on the tufnol shaft bow thruster was 29 x 42 x 8.

Thinking it was an error, I
contacted Maud which just confirm that they have modified a
little the diameters of the seal so that they are more water
tight.
Before it was 30 x 42 x 8 now it is
29 x 42 x 8 she added you won’t be able to put them by
hand, but will need to grease and use a tool “emporte
piece” in french (I personally used PVC pipe).

Glad to see they keep
improving their system: the seal, then previous as Bill
mention the oil viscosity, etc.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289
NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto
Rico










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VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Thanks a lot for this information.

On Jun 2, 2016 10:06 AM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Interesting change on the seal size for the bow thruster…

2 weeks ago, I received many spare parts from Amel (La Rochelle), as I was labelling them I noted that the seal on the tufnol shaft bow thruster was 29 x 42 x 8.

Thinking it was an error, I contacted Maud which just confirm that they have modified a little the diameters of the seal so that they are more water tight.
Before it was 30 x 42 x 8 now it is 29 x 42 x 8 she added you won’t be able to put them by hand, but will need to grease and use a tool “emporte piece” in french (I personally used PVC pipe).

Glad to see they keep improving their system: the seal, then previous as Bill mention the oil viscosity, etc.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

Mike Ondra
 

We just replaced the prop shaft seal with the 29mm lip seal. Aletes was on the hard and the bow thruster was dipping oil the next day. Thinking we may have damaged the lip seal during installation, we replaced it with our spare 29 mm seal. Oil was leaking at the lip seal within minutes of being added. Could it be that the slightly smaller opening diameter of the lip seal is causing a distortion that defeats its effectiveness? Will try a 30 mm as see if that works. Have others had success with 29mm seals?
Mike
Aletes SM#240

Mark McGovern
 

Mike,

I did my first bowthruster service this past winter and used a 29x42x8 seal.  It was a tight fit but it works.  The seal I replaced was also a 29mm ID seal.  There was no oil leaking from the seal while the boat was sitting on the hard after the service and the oil is still clear - not the "cafe creme" looking mixture of oil and water.  However, when I disassembled the unit to replace the bearings (preventatively) I could feel a small groove in the shaft where the previous seal sat.  The shaft was also discolored with a brown-ish stain at that point:



I consulted with Olivier Beaute and he told me that if I felt any kind of groove that I should try to gently sand it out with 600 grit sandpaper and water.  He also said that if I could NOT feel anything that I should NOT sand it but just clean it as sanding the shaft comes with it's own risks.  I measured the shaft OD at the point in the shaft where the oil seal sits with calipers and found that it was about 29.5mm so there was plenty of "meat" on the shaft for a 29mm ID oil seal so I wet-sanded the shaft smooth, re-assembled everything and so far, so good.  However, a 30mm ID seal would have likely resulting in a static oil leak like you have and certainly would have allowed water to enter the bowthruster during use.  Consider taking the entire bowthruster shaft apart, measure the shaft OD and inspect it for any damage where the oil seal sits.  Also check the OD for any damage as well. 

-- 
Mark McGoverntly 
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Mike Ondra
 

Mark, indeed there were some scratches on the plastic shaft. Will gently sand them out, measure, and go with the 29mm seal.

Thanks for the insight!

Seems like a Amel mini-rendezvous may be happening at the Annapolis Boat Show. Might you be coming up? We plan on being there Thursday and Friday. Would be great to meet.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark McGovern
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 4:26 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] New size for Bow Thruster seal

 

Mike,

I did my first bowthruster service this past winter and used a 29x42x8 seal.  It was a tight fit but it works.  The seal I replaced was also a 29mm ID seal.  There was no oil leaking from the seal while the boat was sitting on the hard after the service and the oil is still clear - not the "cafe creme" looking mixture of oil and water.  However, when I disassembled the unit to replace the bearings (preventatively) I could feel a small groove in the shaft where the previous seal sat.  The shaft was also discolored with a brown-ish stain at that point:



I consulted with Olivier Beaute and he told me that if I felt any kind of groove that I should try to gently sand it out with 600 grit sandpaper and water.  He also said that if I could NOT feel anything that I should NOT sand it but just clean it as sanding the shaft comes with it's own risks.  I measured the shaft OD at the point in the shaft where the oil seal sits with calipers and found that it was about 29.5mm so there was plenty of "meat" on the shaft for a 29mm ID oil seal so I wet-sanded the shaft smooth, re-assembled everything and so far, so good.  However, a 30mm ID seal would have likely resulting in a static oil leak like you have and certainly would have allowed water to enter the bowthruster during use  Consider taking the entire bowthruster shaft apart, measure the shaft OD and inspect it for any damage where the oil seal sits.  Also check the OD for any damage as well. 

-- 
Mark McGoverntly 
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

Hello Mark,


I used 10 years ago SKF Speedi-Sleeve, I posted photos ... it is wonderful .... never change it ! ....I can recommand you this

JL Mertz

CottonBay



Le 03/09/2019 à 21:30, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io a écrit :

Mark, indeed there were some scratches on the plastic shaft. Will gently sand them out, measure, and go with the 29mm seal.

Thanks for the insight!

Seems like a Amel mini-rendezvous may be happening at the Annapolis Boat Show. Might you be coming up? We plan on being there Thursday and Friday. Would be great to meet.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark McGovern
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 4:26 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] New size for Bow Thruster seal

 

Mike,

I did my first bowthruster service this past winter and used a 29x42x8 seal.  It was a tight fit but it works.  The seal I replaced was also a 29mm ID seal.  There was no oil leaking from the seal while the boat was sitting on the hard after the service and the oil is still clear - not the "cafe creme" looking mixture of oil and water.  However, when I disassembled the unit to replace the bearings (preventatively) I could feel a small groove in the shaft where the previous seal sat.  The shaft was also discolored with a brown-ish stain at that point:



I consulted with Olivier Beaute and he told me that if I felt any kind of groove that I should try to gently sand it out with 600 grit sandpaper and water.  He also said that if I could NOT feel anything that I should NOT sand it but just clean it as sanding the shaft comes with it's own risks.  I measured the shaft OD at the point in the shaft where the oil seal sits with calipers and found that it was about 29.5mm so there was plenty of "meat" on the shaft for a 29mm ID oil seal so I wet-sanded the shaft smooth, re-assembled everything and so far, so good.  However, a 30mm ID seal would have likely resulting in a static oil leak like you have and certainly would have allowed water to enter the bowthruster during use  Consider taking the entire bowthruster shaft apart, measure the shaft OD and inspect it for any damage where the oil seal sits.  Also check the OD for any damage as well. 

-- 
Mark McGoverntly 
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi J....

 When you fitted the Speedisleeve did you remove the flange ?

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of jlm@... <jlm@...>
Sent: 03 September 2019 20:13
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] New size for Bow Thruster seal
 
Hello Mark,


I used 10 years ago SKF Speedi-Sleeve, I posted photos ... it is wonderful .... never change it ! ....I can recommand you this

JL Mertz

CottonBay



Le 03/09/2019 à 21:30, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io a écrit :

Mark, indeed there were some scratches on the plastic shaft. Will gently sand them out, measure, and go with the 29mm seal.

Thanks for the insight!

Seems like a Amel mini-rendezvous may be happening at the Annapolis Boat Show. Might you be coming up? We plan on being there Thursday and Friday. Would be great to meet.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark McGovern
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 4:26 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] New size for Bow Thruster seal

 

Mike,

I did my first bowthruster service this past winter and used a 29x42x8 seal.  It was a tight fit but it works.  The seal I replaced was also a 29mm ID seal.  There was no oil leaking from the seal while the boat was sitting on the hard after the service and the oil is still clear - not the "cafe creme" looking mixture of oil and water.  However, when I disassembled the unit to replace the bearings (preventatively) I could feel a small groove in the shaft where the previous seal sat.  The shaft was also discolored with a brown-ish stain at that point:



I consulted with Olivier Beaute and he told me that if I felt any kind of groove that I should try to gently sand it out with 600 grit sandpaper and water.  He also said that if I could NOT feel anything that I should NOT sand it but just clean it as sanding the shaft comes with it's own risks.  I measured the shaft OD at the point in the shaft where the oil seal sits with calipers and found that it was about 29.5mm so there was plenty of "meat" on the shaft for a 29mm ID oil seal so I wet-sanded the shaft smooth, re-assembled everything and so far, so good.  However, a 30mm ID seal would have likely resulting in a static oil leak like you have and certainly would have allowed water to enter the bowthruster during use  Consider taking the entire bowthruster shaft apart, measure the shaft OD and inspect it for any damage where the oil seal sits.  Also check the OD for any damage as well. 

-- 
Mark McGoverntly 
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

Hi Ian,

If you speech of the Speedisleeve flag, NO

I reduce the seize of the shaft with sand paper to have the exactly same diameter of the inner size of the seals, and ad a lithe "epoxy (araldit)" , the flag protect the bearing ....

Bonne chance

JL MERTZ

CottonBay



Le 04/09/2019 à 13:56, ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> a écrit :
Hi J....

 When you fitted the Speedisleeve did you remove the flange ?

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of jlm@... <jlm@...>
Sent: 03 September 2019 20:13
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] New size for Bow Thruster seal
 
Hello Mark,


I used 10 years ago SKF Speedi-Sleeve, I posted photos ... it is wonderful .... never change it ! ....I can recommand you this

JL Mertz

CottonBay



Le 03/09/2019 à 21:30, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io a écrit :

Mark, indeed there were some scratches on the plastic shaft. Will gently sand them out, measure, and go with the 29mm seal.

Thanks for the insight!

Seems like a Amel mini-rendezvous may be happening at the Annapolis Boat Show. Might you be coming up? We plan on being there Thursday and Friday. Would be great to meet.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark McGovern
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 4:26 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] New size for Bow Thruster seal

 

Mike,

I did my first bowthruster service this past winter and used a 29x42x8 seal.  It was a tight fit but it works.  The seal I replaced was also a 29mm ID seal.  There was no oil leaking from the seal while the boat was sitting on the hard after the service and the oil is still clear - not the "cafe creme" looking mixture of oil and water.  However, when I disassembled the unit to replace the bearings (preventatively) I could feel a small groove in the shaft where the previous seal sat.  The shaft was also discolored with a brown-ish stain at that point:



I consulted with Olivier Beaute and he told me that if I felt any kind of groove that I should try to gently sand it out with 600 grit sandpaper and water.  He also said that if I could NOT feel anything that I should NOT sand it but just clean it as sanding the shaft comes with it's own risks.  I measured the shaft OD at the point in the shaft where the oil seal sits with calipers and found that it was about 29.5mm so there was plenty of "meat" on the shaft for a 29mm ID oil seal so I wet-sanded the shaft smooth, re-assembled everything and so far, so good.  However, a 30mm ID seal would have likely resulting in a static oil leak like you have and certainly would have allowed water to enter the bowthruster during use  Consider taking the entire bowthruster shaft apart, measure the shaft OD and inspect it for any damage where the oil seal sits.  Also check the OD for any damage as well. 

-- 
Mark McGoverntly 
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com

Mark McGovern
 

Mike,

No problem.  JL Mertz's Speedi-Sleeve idea is a good one too as the surface finish on the shaft is really not good enough to ensure a good seal with the oil seal. 

Regarding the Annapolis Boat Show, we will definitely be at the show but we are not sure if we will taking Cara or just driving.  It's such a zoo around there at that time and we can't take the days off work to get there early enough to be ensured of a decent anchoring spot.  Definitely let me know what the plans are as they develop!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA