Antifouling choices with an eye to buying a Nemo


Jay Feaver
 

Hi everyone,

I am curious if anyone has experience pairing an antifouling paint to go with a Nemo power cleaner?  

We currently have Hemple Mille NCT - which is an ablative paint.   This was used everywhere.   FWIW - It has worked well on the hull with only some minor soft growth around the waterline after a year in the water in Greece.  If we were hauling annually I would be happy to continue using it on the hull.   It worked terribly on the propeller; It was basically gone within 2 months and we had significant growth including hard growth both times we left the boat.   I would not use the Hemple on the propeller, I think I will switch to prop speed when we haul the boat this summer.  Also, where I brushed off the soft growth around the water line by hand I removed a lot of paint.  

We are headed to the Caribbean and I suspect we will end up on a 2 year haul out schedule so we are thinking about getting a Nemo power cleaner.   For those that have one - What bottom paint are you using and how is it going?  

Thanks in advance, Jay
A55-64 Elation


 

Jay,

I cannot think of any boat antifouling that works on Props. They will all "spin-off" quickly.

Hemple makes some good products. They make a primer and antifouling for Props.
Hempel's Prop Primer - 101EX is a spray primer and "tie-coat" for antifouling
Hempel's Ecopower Prop 7446X - 7446X is an antifouling for Props

In my opinion, there is nothing perfect for Props, especially in the Caribbean. If you are in a marina for longer than a few days, it is best to dive and clean the propeller, especially if it is an AutoProp. Every marina will have divers or divers on-call to do this for you.

Probably the best antifouling (IMO) for Props worldwide is PropSpeed, but it MUST be applied exactly according to the instructions. One owner I know says to apply PropSpeed correctly with protection lasting up to two years it requires two people because the top coating must be applied as soon as the base coat is applied and if only one person is applying it, the first portion of base coat will be too dry for the top coat to properly bind to the base coat.

The second best to PropSpeed (IMO) is Velox which is a two-part application (base & top coats).

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
Not affiliated or associated with Chantier Amel, La Rochelle, France


On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 9:10 AM Jay Feaver via groups.io <jay=feaver.ca@groups.io> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I am curious if anyone has experience pairing an antifouling paint to go with a Nemo power cleaner?  

We currently have Hemple Mille NCT - which is an ablative paint.   This was used everywhere.   FWIW - It has worked well on the hull with only some minor soft growth around the waterline after a year in the water in Greece.  If we were hauling annually I would be happy to continue using it on the hull.   It worked terribly on the propeller; It was basically gone within 2 months and we had significant growth including hard growth both times we left the boat.   I would not use the Hemple on the propeller, I think I will switch to prop speed when we haul the boat this summer.  Also, where I brushed off the soft growth around the water line by hand I removed a lot of paint.  

We are headed to the Caribbean and I suspect we will end up on a 2 year haul out schedule so we are thinking about getting a Nemo power cleaner.   For those that have one - What bottom paint are you using and how is it going?  

Thanks in advance, Jay
A55-64 Elation


Mohammad Shirloo
 

We applied 3 coats of micron in 2018 in Malta. Due to COVID, we did not haul out until 2022. After 4 years, one of which we could not make to Kokomo due to Covid, and sailing the rest for about 5 months every season, we would simply hand wipe the hull once at the beginning of the season and not have any further issues. There is usually some growth towards the stern at waterline, but nothing major. We have been happy with propspeed which has done very well for at least 2 years in the Med with minimal to no growth. We did the same in 2022. Micron antifouling and propspeed. We had sent our Bruntons prop to the factory in the UK for service and balancing. After service, they applied the propspeed at the factory, I think using one of their vendors. They have excellent service and customer support. The prices were also competitive and reasonable. We simply installed the new prop.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2023 7:52 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Antifouling choices with an eye to buying a Nemo

 

Jay,

 

I cannot think of any boat antifouling that works on Props. They will all "spin-off" quickly.

 

Hemple makes some good products. They make a primer and antifouling for Props.

Hempel's Prop Primer - 101EX is a spray primer and "tie-coat" for antifouling
Hempel's Ecopower Prop 7446X - 7446X is an antifouling for Props

 

In my opinion, there is nothing perfect for Props, especially in the Caribbean. If you are in a marina for longer than a few days, it is best to dive and clean the propeller, especially if it is an AutoProp. Every marina will have divers or divers on-call to do this for you.

 

Probably the best antifouling (IMO) for Props worldwide is PropSpeed, but it MUST be applied exactly according to the instructions. One owner I know says to apply PropSpeed correctly with protection lasting up to two years it requires two people because the top coating must be applied as soon as the base coat is applied and if only one person is applying it, the first portion of base coat will be too dry for the top coat to properly bind to the base coat.

 

The second best to PropSpeed (IMO) is Velox which is a two-part application (base & top coats).

 

Bill



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

Please Review Me @ Google Reviews   Bio & Qualifications Link

Before You Buy Your Amel   Amel Book   After You Buy Your Amel

Not affiliated or associated with Chantier Amel, La Rochelle, France

 

On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 9:10 AM Jay Feaver via groups.io <jay=feaver.ca@groups.io> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I am curious if anyone has experience pairing an antifouling paint to go with a Nemo power cleaner?  

We currently have Hemple Mille NCT - which is an ablative paint.   This was used everywhere.   FWIW - It has worked well on the hull with only some minor soft growth around the waterline after a year in the water in Greece.  If we were hauling annually I would be happy to continue using it on the hull.   It worked terribly on the propeller; It was basically gone within 2 months and we had significant growth including hard growth both times we left the boat.   I would not use the Hemple on the propeller, I think I will switch to prop speed when we haul the boat this summer.  Also, where I brushed off the soft growth around the water line by hand I removed a lot of paint.  

We are headed to the Caribbean and I suspect we will end up on a 2 year haul out schedule so we are thinking about getting a Nemo power cleaner.   For those that have one - What bottom paint are you using and how is it going?  

Thanks in advance, Jay
A55-64 Elation


 

I agree with you about both Micron and PropSpeed. I consider each the best of the best. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com

On Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 10:30 Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

We applied 3 coats of micron in 2018 in Malta. Due to COVID, we did not haul out until 2022. After 4 years, one of which we could not make to Kokomo due to Covid, and sailing the rest for about 5 months every season, we would simply hand wipe the hull once at the beginning of the season and not have any further issues. There is usually some growth towards the stern at waterline, but nothing major. We have been happy with propspeed which has done very well for at least 2 years in the Med with minimal to no growth. We did the same in 2022. Micron antifouling and propspeed. We had sent our Bruntons prop to the factory in the UK for service and balancing. After service, they applied the propspeed at the factory, I think using one of their vendors. They have excellent service and customer support. The prices were also competitive and reasonable. We simply installed the new prop.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2023 7:52 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Antifouling choices with an eye to buying a Nemo

 

Jay,

 

I cannot think of any boat antifouling that works on Props. They will all "spin-off" quickly.

 

Hemple makes some good products. They make a primer and antifouling for Props.

Hempel's Prop Primer - 101EX is a spray primer and "tie-coat" for antifouling
Hempel's Ecopower Prop 7446X - 7446X is an antifouling for Props

 

In my opinion, there is nothing perfect for Props, especially in the Caribbean. If you are in a marina for longer than a few days, it is best to dive and clean the propeller, especially if it is an AutoProp. Every marina will have divers or divers on-call to do this for you.

 

Probably the best antifouling (IMO) for Props worldwide is PropSpeed, but it MUST be applied exactly according to the instructions. One owner I know says to apply PropSpeed correctly with protection lasting up to two years it requires two people because the top coating must be applied as soon as the base coat is applied and if only one person is applying it, the first portion of base coat will be too dry for the top coat to properly bind to the base coat.

 

The second best to PropSpeed (IMO) is Velox which is a two-part application (base & top coats).

 

Bill



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

Please Review Me @ Google Reviews   Bio & Qualifications Link

Before You Buy Your Amel   Amel Book   After You Buy Your Amel

Not affiliated or associated with Chantier Amel, La Rochelle, France

 

On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 9:10 AM Jay Feaver via groups.io <jay=feaver.ca@groups.io> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I am curious if anyone has experience pairing an antifouling paint to go with a Nemo power cleaner?  

We currently have Hemple Mille NCT - which is an ablative paint.   This was used everywhere.   FWIW - It has worked well on the hull with only some minor soft growth around the waterline after a year in the water in Greece.  If we were hauling annually I would be happy to continue using it on the hull.   It worked terribly on the propeller; It was basically gone within 2 months and we had significant growth including hard growth both times we left the boat.   I would not use the Hemple on the propeller, I think I will switch to prop speed when we haul the boat this summer.  Also, where I brushed off the soft growth around the water line by hand I removed a lot of paint.  

We are headed to the Caribbean and I suspect we will end up on a 2 year haul out schedule so we are thinking about getting a Nemo power cleaner.   For those that have one - What bottom paint are you using and how is it going?  

Thanks in advance, Jay
A55-64 Elation


Bill Kinney
 

If you are going to aggressively clean, you will NEED a hard paint.  The best in my experience is still Trinidad. It should easily support a 2 year haul schedule.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Daytona, FL
http://www.cruisingconsulting.com


Jay Feaver
 

Thanks everyone for the input.  

That makes me feel more confident about the propspeed: We will put that on.  

Thanks Bill K for the hint on Trinidad.   I will put that in my notes.  

I am going to stay with the ablative for now and think about it when we are in the Caribbean.   I've had recommendations from a couple other sources recommending to wait to do the transition to hard coat till we are in the Caribbean.   The quote to do it in Europe is rather high.  Interestingly, The Hyeres people recommended Micron so I will check with them if I can put that on over the Hemple or if I have to stay with Hemple for now.  

Regards, Jay


Bill Kinney
 

You have to be a bit careful when talking about “Micron” bottom paint.  It is actually a product line from Interlux that currently is composed of at least 5 different paints, with different characteristics. Some are water-based and some are copper free.  

The most traditional of the bunch is Micron 66, a copper based ablative paint that is excellent in most areas.  The only catch is it is not recommended from fresh water.  The material that causes this paint to “ablate” or slowly dissolve simply dissolves too quickly in fresh water.  One our cruising plans started to include significant time in places that were significantly fresh(*) we switched to SeaHawk BioCop.  It has worked very well for us from Nova Scotia to Grenada.  We get 14 to 18 months of clean bottom without manual cleaning.

If we stayed in ocean water, we’d probably still have Micron66 and be very happy with it as well.

(*) places like the upper reaches of the Chesapeake; Bras d’Or Lake, Cape Breton Island; far up tidal rivers in Florida.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Daytona, FL
http://www.cruisingconsulting.com