Black Oil in the Air-filter and housing


WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Dear Amelia’s

I’m not a Diesel-Engine Mechanic or Engineer and therefore excuse my unqualified question. I have discovered Oil dropping out of the Air-Filter on my Volvo D3-110 iC and I’m not sure if this is something unusual and I have to worry about it? I changed the Air-Filter about a year ago and maybe this happens after several hours of use.

 

Thanks, and fair winds

Ruedi 

WASABI – A54-55

Anchoring in Otranto 


 

Ruedi,

Like many issues, this can have multiple causes. The most serious cause is worn piston rings causing ignition blow-by. Other causes can be the timing is not correct because of a worn timing belt and/or tensioner, or a computer or sensor malfunction. 

I think this is time to get a qualified Volvo mechanic onboard.

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 4:02 AM WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:

Dear Amelia’s

I’m not a Diesel-Engine Mechanic or Engineer and therefore excuse my unqualified question. I have discovered Oil dropping out of the Air-Filter on my Volvo D3-110 iC and I’m not sure if this is something unusual and I have to worry about it? I changed the Air-Filter about a year ago and maybe this happens after several hours of use.

 

Thanks, and fair winds

Ruedi 

WASABI – A54-55

Anchoring in Otranto 


Nick Newington
 

Hi Ruedi, 
I am not a qualified Volvo mechanic either, but  you must be getting some blow back. This could be caused by dirty engine oil clogging the oil lines or filter and/or a leaking Pressure control valve.
I would change the oil and filter and the air filter, and the PCV valve.  I do not think they are expensive. Located on the oil filter cover, opens if the resistance in the filter is too high. It could be stuck open or clogged. 

If that does not work you need to have a compression test done by a proper engineer…and get to the bottom of it…
Nick
Amelia AML 55-019 Leros 
image0.jpeg

On 18 Jul 2022, at 10:02, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:



Dear Amelia’s

I’m not a Diesel-Engine Mechanic or Engineer and therefore excuse my unqualified question. I have discovered Oil dropping out of the Air-Filter on my Volvo D3-110 iC and I’m not sure if this is something unusual and I have to worry about it? I changed the Air-Filter about a year ago and maybe this happens after several hours of use.

 

Thanks, and fair winds

Ruedi 

WASABI – A54-55

Anchoring in Otranto 


Nick Newington
 

Ruedi, another quick thought. Take off the oil filter top and inspect it closely, maybe it is clogged. Could be you just need to give it a thorough clean, maybe in some solvent. Or blast it with compressed air. Then change oil and filter anyway. If this does not solve the problem you have not lost anything but a bit of oil and a filter…do not forget to torque up the filter top to specified level. I use a torque wrench, it is plastic and does not want to be over tightened but if too loose the oil will flow out and make a mess.

Nick

On 18 Jul 2022, at 16:02, Nick Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

Hi Ruedi, 
I am not a qualified Volvo mechanic either, but  you must be getting some blow back. This could be caused by dirty engine oil clogging the oil lines or filter and/or a leaking Pressure control valve.
I would change the oil and filter and the air filter, and the PCV valve.  I do not think they are expensive. Located on the oil filter cover, opens if the resistance in the filter is too high. It could be stuck open or clogged. 

If that does not work you need to have a compression test done by a proper engineer…and get to the bottom of it…
Nick
Amelia AML 55-019 Leros 
<image0.jpeg>

On 18 Jul 2022, at 10:02, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:


Dear Amelia’s

I’m not a Diesel-Engine Mechanic or Engineer and therefore excuse my unqualified question. I have discovered Oil dropping out of the Air-Filter on my Volvo D3-110 iC and I’m not sure if this is something unusual and I have to worry about it? I changed the Air-Filter about a year ago and maybe this happens after several hours of use.

 

Thanks, and fair winds
Ruedi 
WASABI – A54-55
Anchoring in Otranto 


WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Nick,

Thank you for your advice. I will certainly do an Oil- and Filter change and clean the top cover.

What is the PCV Valve? Is this a specific part of the Oil-Filter top?

Ruedi

 

 

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Ruedi, another quick thought. Take off the oil filter top and inspect it closely, maybe it is clogged. Could be you just need to give it a thorough clean, maybe in some solvent. Or blast it with compressed air. Then change oil and filter anyway. If this does not solve the problem you have not lost anything but a bit of oil and a filter…do not forget to torque up the filter top to specified level. I use a torque wrench, it is plastic and does not want to be over tightened but if too loose the oil will flow out and make a mess.

 

Nick



On 18 Jul 2022, at 16:02, Nick Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ruedi, 

I am not a qualified Volvo mechanic either, but  you must be getting some blow back. This could be caused by dirty engine oil clogging the oil lines or filter and/or a leaking Pressure control valve.

I would change the oil and filter and the air filter, and the PCV valve.  I do not think they are expensive. Located on the oil filter cover, opens if the resistance in the filter is too high. It could be stuck open or clogged. 

 

If that does not work you need to have a compression test done by a proper engineer…and get to the bottom of it…

Nick

Amelia AML 55-019 Leros 
<image0.jpeg>



On 18 Jul 2022, at 10:02, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:



Dear Amelia’s

I’m not a Diesel-Engine Mechanic or Engineer and therefore excuse my unqualified question. I have discovered Oil dropping out of the Air-Filter on my Volvo D3-110 iC and I’m not sure if this is something unusual and I have to worry about it? I changed the Air-Filter about a year ago and maybe this happens after several hours of use.

 

Thanks, and fair winds

Ruedi 

WASABI – A54-55

Anchoring in Otranto 

 


Nick Newington
 

Hi Ruedi,

After reading your email I had a quick look at the workshop manual for my D3 110A. I also had a look around the internet. I just thought that before you go and get an engineer you could do a few things yourself.  The Pressure Control Valve is located in the cap of the oil filter. The idea is that if the filter gets clocked the valve opens and lets the oil circulate freely but without being filtered. 
Trawling the internet, there was a suggestion that clogged oil lines and clogged filter might cause oil in the air filter. Seeing as that is an easy do it yourself, it makes sense to do that job first, not least to rule it out as the problem.. Then if that fails you still need to sail somewhere where there is a decent engineer and you can explain that you have clean oil and filter and cleaned up valve…

Let me know what happens. Great learning process for all of us!

Kind regards

Nick

On 18 Jul 2022, at 18:10, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:

Hi Nick,
Thank you for your advice. I will certainly do an Oil- and Filter change and clean the top cover.
What is the PCV Valve? Is this a specific part of the Oil-Filter top? 
Ruedi
 
 
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Ruedi, another quick thought. Take off the oil filter top and inspect it closely, maybe it is clogged. Could be you just need to give it a thorough clean, maybe in some solvent. Or blast it with compressed air. Then change oil and filter anyway. If this does not solve the problem you have not lost anything but a bit of oil and a filter…do not forget to torque up the filter top to specified level. I use a torque wrench, it is plastic and does not want to be over tightened but if too loose the oil will flow out and make a mess.
 
Nick


On 18 Jul 2022, at 16:02, Nick Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:
 
Hi Ruedi, 
I am not a qualified Volvo mechanic either, but  you must be getting some blow back. This could be caused by dirty engine oil clogging the oil lines or filter and/or a leaking Pressure control valve.
I would change the oil and filter and the air filter, and the PCV valve.  I do not think they are expensive. Located on the oil filter cover, opens if the resistance in the filter is too high. It could be stuck open or clogged. 
 
If that does not work you need to have a compression test done by a proper engineer…and get to the bottom of it…
Nick
Amelia AML 55-019 Leros 
<image0.jpeg>


On 18 Jul 2022, at 10:02, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:



Dear Amelia’s

I’m not a Diesel-Engine Mechanic or Engineer and therefore excuse my unqualified question. I have discovered Oil dropping out of the Air-Filter on my Volvo D3-110 iC and I’m not sure if this is something unusual and I have to worry about it? I changed the Air-Filter about a year ago and maybe this happens after several hours of use.
 
Thanks, and fair winds
Ruedi 
WASABI – A54-55
Anchoring in Otranto 
 



Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

I had this once and it was seals in the turbo. It was a near new just still in warranty  Volvo D 2 75 with only a few hours on it. After vigorous pushing from me Volvo replaced the turbo.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 19/07/2022 00:54 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Ruedi,

Like many issues, this can have multiple causes. The most serious cause is worn piston rings causing ignition blow-by. Other causes can be the timing is not correct because of a worn timing belt and/or tensioner, or a computer or sensor malfunction. 

I think this is time to get a qualified Volvo mechanic onboard.


Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 4:02 AM WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:

Dear Amelia’s

I’m not a Diesel-Engine Mechanic or Engineer and therefore excuse my unqualified question. I have discovered Oil dropping out of the Air-Filter on my Volvo D3-110 iC and I’m not sure if this is something unusual and I have to worry about it? I changed the Air-Filter about a year ago and maybe this happens after several hours of use.

 

Thanks, and fair winds

Ruedi 

WASABI – A54-55

Anchoring in Otranto 




WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Nick

I will do the Job next 2 day’s when I’m in a Marina and will observe the result. After 2 weeks I’m happy to let you know the outcome because I will not move the boat until end of month.

Kind regards

Ruedi - on WASABI

 

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Hi Ruedi,

 

After reading your email I had a quick look at the workshop manual for my D3 110A. I also had a look around the internet. I just thought that before you go and get an engineer you could do a few things yourself.  The Pressure Control Valve is located in the cap of the oil filter. The idea is that if the filter gets clocked the valve opens and lets the oil circulate freely but without being filtered. 

Trawling the internet, there was a suggestion that clogged oil lines and clogged filter might cause oil in the air filter. Seeing as that is an easy do it yourself, it makes sense to do that job first, not least to rule it out as the problem.. Then if that fails you still need to sail somewhere where there is a decent engineer and you can explain that you have clean oil and filter and cleaned up valve…

 

Let me know what happens. Great learning process for all of us!

 

Kind regards

 

Nick



On 18 Jul 2022, at 18:10, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:

 

Hi Nick,

Thank you for your advice. I will certainly do an Oil- and Filter change and clean the top cover.

What is the PCV Valve? Is this a specific part of the Oil-Filter top? 

Ruedi

 

 

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Ruedi, another quick thought. Take off the oil filter top and inspect it closely, maybe it is clogged. Could be you just need to give it a thorough clean, maybe in some solvent. Or blast it with compressed air. Then change oil and filter anyway. If this does not solve the problem you have not lost anything but a bit of oil and a filter…do not forget to torque up the filter top to specified level. I use a torque wrench, it is plastic and does not want to be over tightened but if too loose the oil will flow out and make a mess.

 

Nick




On 18 Jul 2022, at 16:02, Nick Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ruedi, 

I am not a qualified Volvo mechanic either, but  you must be getting some blow back. This could be caused by dirty engine oil clogging the oil lines or filter and/or a leaking Pressure control valve.

I would change the oil and filter and the air filter, and the PCV valve.  I do not think they are expensive. Located on the oil filter cover, opens if the resistance in the filter is too high. It could be stuck open or clogged. 

 

If that does not work you need to have a compression test done by a proper engineer…and get to the bottom of it…

Nick

Amelia AML 55-019 Leros 
<image0.jpeg>




On 18 Jul 2022, at 10:02, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:



Dear Amelia’s

I’m not a Diesel-Engine Mechanic or Engineer and therefore excuse my unqualified question. I have discovered Oil dropping out of the Air-Filter on my Volvo D3-110 iC and I’m not sure if this is something unusual and I have to worry about it? I changed the Air-Filter about a year ago and maybe this happens after several hours of use.

 

Thanks, and fair winds

Ruedi 

WASABI – A54-55

Anchoring in Otranto 

 

 


Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Ruedi, I went down all those paths as Volvo wriggled and squiggled until they admitted it was the seals in the turbo. Just dropping that information again.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 19/07/2022 21:29 WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <rudolf@...> wrote:


Hi Nick

I will do the Job next 2 day’s when I’m in a Marina and will observe the result. After 2 weeks I’m happy to let you know the outcome because I will not move the boat until end of month.

Kind regards

Ruedi - on WASABI

 

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Hi Ruedi,


After reading your email I had a quick look at the workshop manual for my D3 110A. I also had a look around the internet. I just thought that before you go and get an engineer you could do a few things yourself.  The Pressure Control Valve is located in the cap of the oil filter. The idea is that if the filter gets clocked the valve opens and lets the oil circulate freely but without being filtered. 

Trawling the internet, there was a suggestion that clogged oil lines and clogged filter might cause oil in the air filter. Seeing as that is an easy do it yourself, it makes sense to do that job first, not least to rule it out as the problem.. Then if that fails you still need to sail somewhere where there is a decent engineer and you can explain that you have clean oil and filter and cleaned up valve…


Let me know what happens. Great learning process for all of us!


Kind regards


Nick



On 18 Jul 2022, at 18:10, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:


Hi Nick,

Thank you for your advice. I will certainly do an Oil- and Filter change and clean the top cover.

What is the PCV Valve? Is this a specific part of the Oil-Filter top? 

Ruedi



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Ruedi, another quick thought. Take off the oil filter top and inspect it closely, maybe it is clogged. Could be you just need to give it a thorough clean, maybe in some solvent. Or blast it with compressed air. Then change oil and filter anyway. If this does not solve the problem you have not lost anything but a bit of oil and a filter…do not forget to torque up the filter top to specified level. I use a torque wrench, it is plastic and does not want to be over tightened but if too loose the oil will flow out and make a mess.


Nick




On 18 Jul 2022, at 16:02, Nick Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Hi Ruedi, 

I am not a qualified Volvo mechanic either, but  you must be getting some blow back. This could be caused by dirty engine oil clogging the oil lines or filter and/or a leaking Pressure control valve.

I would change the oil and filter and the air filter, and the PCV valve.  I do not think they are expensive. Located on the oil filter cover, opens if the resistance in the filter is too high. It could be stuck open or clogged. 

 

If that does not work you need to have a compression test done by a proper engineer…and get to the bottom of it…

Nick

Amelia AML 55-019 Leros 
<image0.jpeg>




On 18 Jul 2022, at 10:02, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:


Dear Amelia’s

I’m not a Diesel-Engine Mechanic or Engineer and therefore excuse my unqualified question. I have discovered Oil dropping out of the Air-Filter on my Volvo D3-110 iC and I’m not sure if this is something unusual and I have to worry about it? I changed the Air-Filter about a year ago and maybe this happens after several hours of use.

 

Thanks, and fair winds

Ruedi 

WASABI – A54-55

Anchoring in Otranto 





Nick Newington
 

Hi Danny,
I agree the turbo is a likely possibility. I am wondering how one tests for that; 
Did you find that it only spewed oil when the turbo kicked in?
If so one could check relatively easily.
Nick
S/Y Amelia 
AML54-019 
Leros


On 19 Jul 2022, at 20:44, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:


Hi Ruedi, I went down all those paths as Volvo wriggled and squiggled until they admitted it was the seals in the turbo. Just dropping that information again.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 19/07/2022 21:29 WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <rudolf@...> wrote:


Hi Nick

I will do the Job next 2 day’s when I’m in a Marina and will observe the result. After 2 weeks I’m happy to let you know the outcome because I will not move the boat until end of month.

Kind regards

Ruedi - on WASABI

 

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Hi Ruedi,


After reading your email I had a quick look at the workshop manual for my D3 110A. I also had a look around the internet. I just thought that before you go and get an engineer you could do a few things yourself.  The Pressure Control Valve is located in the cap of the oil filter. The idea is that if the filter gets clocked the valve opens and lets the oil circulate freely but without being filtered. 

Trawling the internet, there was a suggestion that clogged oil lines and clogged filter might cause oil in the air filter. Seeing as that is an easy do it yourself, it makes sense to do that job first, not least to rule it out as the problem.. Then if that fails you still need to sail somewhere where there is a decent engineer and you can explain that you have clean oil and filter and cleaned up valve…


Let me know what happens. Great learning process for all of us!


Kind regards


Nick



On 18 Jul 2022, at 18:10, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:


Hi Nick,

Thank you for your advice. I will certainly do an Oil- and Filter change and clean the top cover.

What is the PCV Valve? Is this a specific part of the Oil-Filter top? 

Ruedi



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Ruedi, another quick thought. Take off the oil filter top and inspect it closely, maybe it is clogged. Could be you just need to give it a thorough clean, maybe in some solvent. Or blast it with compressed air. Then change oil and filter anyway. If this does not solve the problem you have not lost anything but a bit of oil and a filter…do not forget to torque up the filter top to specified level. I use a torque wrench, it is plastic and does not want to be over tightened but if too loose the oil will flow out and make a mess.


Nick




On 18 Jul 2022, at 16:02, Nick Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Hi Ruedi, 

I am not a qualified Volvo mechanic either, but  you must be getting some blow back. This could be caused by dirty engine oil clogging the oil lines or filter and/or a leaking Pressure control valve.

I would change the oil and filter and the air filter, and the PCV valve.  I do not think they are expensive. Located on the oil filter cover, opens if the resistance in the filter is too high. It could be stuck open or clogged. 

 

If that does not work you need to have a compression test done by a proper engineer…and get to the bottom of it…

Nick

Amelia AML 55-019 Leros 
<image0.jpeg>




On 18 Jul 2022, at 10:02, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:


Dear Amelia’s

I’m not a Diesel-Engine Mechanic or Engineer and therefore excuse my unqualified question. I have discovered Oil dropping out of the Air-Filter on my Volvo D3-110 iC and I’m not sure if this is something unusual and I have to worry about it? I changed the Air-Filter about a year ago and maybe this happens after several hours of use.

 

Thanks, and fair winds

Ruedi 

WASABI – A54-55

Anchoring in Otranto 





Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

We got there by a process of elimination and looking for track. There is an
oilfeed to the turbo from the top of the rocker cover. Of course if there was excessive blow past the rings there would be pressure there so that confused the issue for a while. But turbo it was and one of the techs suggested that. As I said before there was push back from volvo but in the end I think they knew this was an issue and accepted  it. The new turbo fixed it and no reoccurance .
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 20/07/2022 16:51 Nick Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Hi Danny,
I agree the turbo is a likely possibility. I am wondering how one tests for that; 
Did you find that it only spewed oil when the turbo kicked in?
If so one could check relatively easily.
Nick
S/Y Amelia 
AML54-019 
Leros



On 19 Jul 2022, at 20:44, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Ruedi, I went down all those paths as Volvo wriggled and squiggled until they admitted it was the seals in the turbo. Just dropping that information again.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 19/07/2022 21:29 WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <rudolf@...> wrote:


Hi Nick

I will do the Job next 2 day’s when I’m in a Marina and will observe the result. After 2 weeks I’m happy to let you know the outcome because I will not move the boat until end of month.

Kind regards

Ruedi - on WASABI

 

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Hi Ruedi,


After reading your email I had a quick look at the workshop manual for my D3 110A. I also had a look around the internet. I just thought that before you go and get an engineer you could do a few things yourself.  The Pressure Control Valve is located in the cap of the oil filter. The idea is that if the filter gets clocked the valve opens and lets the oil circulate freely but without being filtered. 

Trawling the internet, there was a suggestion that clogged oil lines and clogged filter might cause oil in the air filter. Seeing as that is an easy do it yourself, it makes sense to do that job first, not least to rule it out as the problem.. Then if that fails you still need to sail somewhere where there is a decent engineer and you can explain that you have clean oil and filter and cleaned up valve…


Let me know what happens. Great learning process for all of us!


Kind regards


Nick



On 18 Jul 2022, at 18:10, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:


Hi Nick,

Thank you for your advice. I will certainly do an Oil- and Filter change and clean the top cover.

What is the PCV Valve? Is this a specific part of the Oil-Filter top? 

Ruedi



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Datum: Montag, 18. Juli 2022 um 17:53
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Ruedi, another quick thought. Take off the oil filter top and inspect it closely, maybe it is clogged. Could be you just need to give it a thorough clean, maybe in some solvent. Or blast it with compressed air. Then change oil and filter anyway. If this does not solve the problem you have not lost anything but a bit of oil and a filter…do not forget to torque up the filter top to specified level. I use a torque wrench, it is plastic and does not want to be over tightened but if too loose the oil will flow out and make a mess.


Nick




On 18 Jul 2022, at 16:02, Nick Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Hi Ruedi, 

I am not a qualified Volvo mechanic either, but  you must be getting some blow back. This could be caused by dirty engine oil clogging the oil lines or filter and/or a leaking Pressure control valve.

I would change the oil and filter and the air filter, and the PCV valve.  I do not think they are expensive. Located on the oil filter cover, opens if the resistance in the filter is too high. It could be stuck open or clogged. 

 

If that does not work you need to have a compression test done by a proper engineer…and get to the bottom of it…

Nick

Amelia AML 55-019 Leros 
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On 18 Jul 2022, at 10:02, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:


Dear Amelia’s

I’m not a Diesel-Engine Mechanic or Engineer and therefore excuse my unqualified question. I have discovered Oil dropping out of the Air-Filter on my Volvo D3-110 iC and I’m not sure if this is something unusual and I have to worry about it? I changed the Air-Filter about a year ago and maybe this happens after several hours of use.

 

Thanks, and fair winds

Ruedi 

WASABI – A54-55

Anchoring in Otranto 





 

Nick & Danny,

You are talking about 2 different engines, Yanmar and Volvo D3.

I will point out that the Volvo D3 has a history of oil in the Turbo because many Amel D3 owners have had to replace the Turbo Boost Sensor that failed because it was saturated with oil.
image.png

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 12:22 AM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:
We got there by a process of elimination and looking for track. There is an
oilfeed to the turbo from the top of the rocker cover. Of course if there was excessive blow past the rings there would be pressure there so that confused the issue for a while. But turbo it was and one of the techs suggested that. As I said before there was push back from volvo but in the end I think they knew this was an issue and accepted  it. The new turbo fixed it and no reoccurance .
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 20/07/2022 16:51 Nick Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Hi Danny,
I agree the turbo is a likely possibility. I am wondering how one tests for that; 
Did you find that it only spewed oil when the turbo kicked in?
If so one could check relatively easily.
Nick
S/Y Amelia 
AML54-019 
Leros



On 19 Jul 2022, at 20:44, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Ruedi, I went down all those paths as Volvo wriggled and squiggled until they admitted it was the seals in the turbo. Just dropping that information again.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 19/07/2022 21:29 WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <rudolf@...> wrote:


Hi Nick

I will do the Job next 2 day’s when I’m in a Marina and will observe the result. After 2 weeks I’m happy to let you know the outcome because I will not move the boat until end of month.

Kind regards

Ruedi - on WASABI

 

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Hi Ruedi,


After reading your email I had a quick look at the workshop manual for my D3 110A. I also had a look around the internet. I just thought that before you go and get an engineer you could do a few things yourself.  The Pressure Control Valve is located in the cap of the oil filter. The idea is that if the filter gets clocked the valve opens and lets the oil circulate freely but without being filtered. 

Trawling the internet, there was a suggestion that clogged oil lines and clogged filter might cause oil in the air filter. Seeing as that is an easy do it yourself, it makes sense to do that job first, not least to rule it out as the problem.. Then if that fails you still need to sail somewhere where there is a decent engineer and you can explain that you have clean oil and filter and cleaned up valve…


Let me know what happens. Great learning process for all of us!


Kind regards


Nick



On 18 Jul 2022, at 18:10, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:


Hi Nick,

Thank you for your advice. I will certainly do an Oil- and Filter change and clean the top cover.

What is the PCV Valve? Is this a specific part of the Oil-Filter top? 

Ruedi



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Ruedi, another quick thought. Take off the oil filter top and inspect it closely, maybe it is clogged. Could be you just need to give it a thorough clean, maybe in some solvent. Or blast it with compressed air. Then change oil and filter anyway. If this does not solve the problem you have not lost anything but a bit of oil and a filter…do not forget to torque up the filter top to specified level. I use a torque wrench, it is plastic and does not want to be over tightened but if too loose the oil will flow out and make a mess.


Nick




On 18 Jul 2022, at 16:02, Nick Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Hi Ruedi, 

I am not a qualified Volvo mechanic either, but  you must be getting some blow back. This could be caused by dirty engine oil clogging the oil lines or filter and/or a leaking Pressure control valve.

I would change the oil and filter and the air filter, and the PCV valve.  I do not think they are expensive. Located on the oil filter cover, opens if the resistance in the filter is too high. It could be stuck open or clogged. 

 

If that does not work you need to have a compression test done by a proper engineer…and get to the bottom of it…

Nick

Amelia AML 55-019 Leros 
<image0.jpeg>




On 18 Jul 2022, at 10:02, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:


Dear Amelia’s

I’m not a Diesel-Engine Mechanic or Engineer and therefore excuse my unqualified question. I have discovered Oil dropping out of the Air-Filter on my Volvo D3-110 iC and I’m not sure if this is something unusual and I have to worry about it? I changed the Air-Filter about a year ago and maybe this happens after several hours of use.

 

Thanks, and fair winds

Ruedi 

WASABI – A54-55

Anchoring in Otranto 





Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thanks for the reminder Bill. However I will add one point I had forgotten. Volvo were fixated on the level of oil in the sump. Believed too high a level could be involved. They had their tech come and change the oil, adding the precise measured quantity. Apparently some dip sticks were incorrectly marked. Not so in my case. That was their last shot before they replaced the turbo. Reminder. This was on a Volvo D 2 75. At 1400hrs now and very happy with it.
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 21/07/2022 00:50 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Nick & Danny,

You are talking about 2 different engines, Yanmar and Volvo D3.

I will point out that the Volvo D3 has a history of oil in the Turbo because many Amel D3 owners have had to replace the Turbo Boost Sensor that failed because it was saturated with oil.

image.png

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   

On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 12:22 AM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:
We got there by a process of elimination and looking for track. There is an
oilfeed to the turbo from the top of the rocker cover. Of course if there was excessive blow past the rings there would be pressure there so that confused the issue for a while. But turbo it was and one of the techs suggested that. As I said before there was push back from volvo but in the end I think they knew this was an issue and accepted  it. The new turbo fixed it and no reoccurance .
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 20/07/2022 16:51 Nick Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Hi Danny,
I agree the turbo is a likely possibility. I am wondering how one tests for that; 
Did you find that it only spewed oil when the turbo kicked in?
If so one could check relatively easily.
Nick
S/Y Amelia 
AML54-019 
Leros



On 19 Jul 2022, at 20:44, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Ruedi, I went down all those paths as Volvo wriggled and squiggled until they admitted it was the seals in the turbo. Just dropping that information again.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 19/07/2022 21:29 WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <rudolf@...> wrote:


Hi Nick

I will do the Job next 2 day’s when I’m in a Marina and will observe the result. After 2 weeks I’m happy to let you know the outcome because I will not move the boat until end of month.

Kind regards

Ruedi - on WASABI


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Hi Ruedi,


After reading your email I had a quick look at the workshop manual for my D3 110A. I also had a look around the internet. I just thought that before you go and get an engineer you could do a few things yourself.  The Pressure Control Valve is located in the cap of the oil filter. The idea is that if the filter gets clocked the valve opens and lets the oil circulate freely but without being filtered. 

Trawling the internet, there was a suggestion that clogged oil lines and clogged filter might cause oil in the air filter. Seeing as that is an easy do it yourself, it makes sense to do that job first, not least to rule it out as the problem.. Then if that fails you still need to sail somewhere where there is a decent engineer and you can explain that you have clean oil and filter and cleaned up valve…


Let me know what happens. Great learning process for all of us!


Kind regards


Nick



On 18 Jul 2022, at 18:10, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:


Hi Nick,

Thank you for your advice. I will certainly do an Oil- and Filter change and clean the top cover.

What is the PCV Valve? Is this a specific part of the Oil-Filter top? 

Ruedi



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Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Black Oil in the Air-filter and housing


Ruedi, another quick thought. Take off the oil filter top and inspect it closely, maybe it is clogged. Could be you just need to give it a thorough clean, maybe in some solvent. Or blast it with compressed air. Then change oil and filter anyway. If this does not solve the problem you have not lost anything but a bit of oil and a filter…do not forget to torque up the filter top to specified level. I use a torque wrench, it is plastic and does not want to be over tightened but if too loose the oil will flow out and make a mess.


Nick




On 18 Jul 2022, at 16:02, Nick Newington via groups.io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Hi Ruedi, 

I am not a qualified Volvo mechanic either, but  you must be getting some blow back. This could be caused by dirty engine oil clogging the oil lines or filter and/or a leaking Pressure control valve.

I would change the oil and filter and the air filter, and the PCV valve.  I do not think they are expensive. Located on the oil filter cover, opens if the resistance in the filter is too high. It could be stuck open or clogged. 

 

If that does not work you need to have a compression test done by a proper engineer…and get to the bottom of it…

Nick

Amelia AML 55-019 Leros 
<image0.jpeg>




On 18 Jul 2022, at 10:02, WASABI - Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:


Dear Amelia’s

I’m not a Diesel-Engine Mechanic or Engineer and therefore excuse my unqualified question. I have discovered Oil dropping out of the Air-Filter on my Volvo D3-110 iC and I’m not sure if this is something unusual and I have to worry about it? I changed the Air-Filter about a year ago and maybe this happens after several hours of use.

 

Thanks, and fair winds

Ruedi 

WASABI – A54-55

Anchoring in Otranto