Downwind pole control lines-replacement


amelforme
 

Hello Dave. The lines for the ballooner have two specific peculiarities. First, they have a soft sheath on the outside which makes them easy and comfortable to use. Second, and most importantly, it is a fairly stretchy, by design, cordage.

Once while in La Rochelle conducting a sea trial in puffy wind, the alleged new Amel boat buyers were hard core racers who were very successful around the buoys and were now looking to expand their horizons. They wanted to sail around the world as fast as humanly possible. When the ballooner was set, they were annoyed that the clews would not stay exactly where they were set but moved a few inches as the puffs arrived. I explained to them what my Amel colleagues had told to me, these lines were the “shock absorbers” in the system. Much the same as a boxing glove taking much of the smack out of a punch, the stretchy lines took the pop out of the puffs and limited the shock loading of the fittings on the poles. They laughed this off.

They did not take the plunge and buy a new Amel boat during that occasion in La Rochelle. I did sell them a used one several years later and they changed the ballooner control lines to skinny ones that did not stretch at all. The only good things about that situation were that replacement female fittings on the end of the short poles were still available from the original OEM producer and they didn’t discard the original ballooner lines. Oh, and the skin on your hands grows back quickly.   

 

All the best,

Joel

 

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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of david bruce
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:25 AM
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Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Downwind pole contol lines-replacement

 

Hello, 
I am looking to create a new set of the blue,red,yellow downwind pole control lines and am looking for information about this type of line and it's sourcing.  Bills book calls it 'Tempest' but I can't seem to find any online references to this type of line and do not recall seeing it in any chandleries.   Does anyone know what brand it might be?   Also more generally is this type of line used for this application for any specific reason (besides the pretty colors) ie it's stretch or shock absorption attributes, making it important to replace like with like or less ideally could other types of line be used? 
Thank you
Dave Bruce
Liesse SN006


david bruce
 

Thank you Joel,  

Interesting story. I guess I had a suspicion but no actual knowledge that the stretch characteristics of those lines was relevant. It makes sense and all the more reason to try and replace like with like.  I have reached out to Lancelin Cordage in France, and notice they are located close to La Rochelle, perhaps why Amel used their line?  Haven’t heard back yet but I’m hopeful I can replicate a stock set of the lines, in the original colors.  

Thanks again and best regards, 

Dave Bruce
Liesse
SN006


On Jun 19, 2021, at 4:17 PM, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Hello Dave. The lines for the ballooner have two specific peculiarities. First, they have a soft sheath on the outside which makes them easy and comfortable to use. Second, and most importantly, it is a fairly stretchy, by design, cordage. 
Once while in La Rochelle conducting a sea trial in puffy wind, the alleged new Amel boat buyers were hard core racers who were very successful around the buoys and were now looking to expand their horizons. They wanted to sail around the world as fast as humanly possible. When the ballooner was set, they were annoyed that the clews would not stay exactly where they were set but moved a few inches as the puffs arrived. I explained to them what my Amel colleagues had told to me, these lines were the “shock absorbers” in the system. Much the same as a boxing glove taking much of the smack out of a punch, the stretchy lines took the pop out of the puffs and limited the shock loading of the fittings on the poles. They laughed this off.
They did not take the plunge and buy a new Amel boat during that occasion in La Rochelle. I did sell them a used one several years later and they changed the ballooner control lines to skinny ones that did not stretch at all. The only good things about that situation were that replacement female fittings on the end of the short poles were still available from the original OEM producer and they didn’t discard the original ballooner lines. Oh, and the skin on your hands grows back quickly.   
 
All the best,
Joel 
 
           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.
                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy
UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE
                                  Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of david bruce
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:25 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Downwind pole contol lines-replacement
 
Hello,  
I am looking to create a new set of the blue,red,yellow downwind pole control lines and am looking for information about this type of line and it's sourcing.  Bills book calls it 'Tempest' but I can't seem to find any online references to this type of line and do not recall seeing it in any chandleries.   Does anyone know what brand it might be?   Also more generally is this type of line used for this application for any specific reason (besides the pretty colors) ie it's stretch or shock absorption attributes, making it important to replace like with like or less ideally could other types of line be used? 
Thank you
Dave Bruce
Liesse SN006