FW: Comparing Amel Super Maramu to the Amel 54 & 55


amelforme
 

Hello Ms. Sloman and Mr. Harries. I wrote this not too long ago and although there are no graphs and polar charts, I think I can promise you that the information is accurate and fully representative of the sailing characteristics and some other information regarding these three Amel boats. The only incorrect information is regarding the development of the Amel 54. Jean Jacques was already the elected chairman of the shipyard, not being groomed for the position as I wrote. I regret the error.

The changes from model to model were mainly upgrades and evolutionary changes. The quality of overall construction improved slightly as the newer models were introduced, mainly reflective of newer materials and improved construction techniques.

I could probably address more specific questions, preferably by conversation.  I’m dyslexic and typing is almost painful…

I hope this is helpful.

All the best,

Joel

 

           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.

                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy

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Paul Harries
 

Thank you.
My understanding is that the 55s do not have the additional twin Pullman bunk berths which for me is a negative.
I have been more drawn to 54s but am overwhelmed by changes during production run having heard that initial furlers were so bad they needed to be replaced and Volvo engine woes.
It is a pitty there is not a spreadsheet that details when Amel made the various changes and associated issues.

This forum has really opened my eyes to so many issues.
Paul


On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 10:57, amelforme
<jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Hello Ms. Sloman and Mr. Harries. I wrote this not too long ago and although there are no graphs and polar charts, I think I can promise you that the information is accurate and fully representative of the sailing characteristics and some other information regarding these three Amel boats. The only incorrect information is regarding the development of the Amel 54. Jean Jacques was already the elected chairman of the shipyard, not being groomed for the position as I wrote. I regret the error.

The changes from model to model were mainly upgrades and evolutionary changes. The quality of overall construction improved slightly as the newer models were introduced, mainly reflective of newer materials and improved construction techniques.

I could probably address more specific questions, preferably by conversation.  I’m dyslexic and typing is almost painful…

I hope this is helpful.

All the best,

Joel

 

           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.

                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                  Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485


Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila
 

That type of bed is not on the Super Maramu, but on the 54.

Regrds
Ann-Sofie 
S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232, 1998


Skickat från min iPhone

18/04/2021 kl. 17:56 skrev Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries@...>:

Thank you.
My understanding is that the 55s do not have the additional twin Pullman bunk berths which for me is a negative.
I have been more drawn to 54s but am overwhelmed by changes during production run having heard that initial furlers were so bad they needed to be replaced and Volvo engine woes.
It is a pitty there is not a spreadsheet that details when Amel made the various changes and associated issues.

This forum has really opened my eyes to so many issues.
Paul


On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 10:57, amelforme
<jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Hello Ms. Sloman and Mr. Harries. I wrote this not too long ago and although there are no graphs and polar charts, I think I can promise you that the information is accurate and fully representative of the sailing characteristics and some other information regarding these three Amel boats. The only incorrect information is regarding the development of the Amel 54. Jean Jacques was already the elected chairman of the shipyard, not being groomed for the position as I wrote. I regret the error.

The changes from model to model were mainly upgrades and evolutionary changes. The quality of overall construction improved slightly as the newer models were introduced, mainly reflective of newer materials and improved construction techniques.

I could probably address more specific questions, preferably by conversation.  I’m dyslexic and typing is almost painful…

I hope this is helpful.

All the best,

Joel

 

           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.

                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                  Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485


Julia Sloman
 

Many thanks to Joel, Ann-Sofie and Paul, and also those of you who have contacted us privately, for your comments. They have been very helpful.
Kind regards
Julia 


Rod Rance
 

What a great read Joel, thank you so much for sharing this - I think you have helped me decide (confirm) which Amel I want - 54
Rod Rance, Amel Fan - Future owner ;)


amelforme
 

Thanks, Rod. They are both superb cruising yachts but I found my Amel 54 to be a better boat by just about every measure compared with the two Super Maramus that I owned and enjoyed every moment I was aboard. For most of my clients, it is more about what they choose to afford for their next boat rather than absolute personal preference.

 

All the best,

Joel

 

           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.

                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                  Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rod Rance
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 9:03 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] FW: Comparing Amel Super Maramu to the Amel 54 & 55

 

What a great read Joel, thank you so much for sharing this - I think you have helped me decide (confirm) which Amel I want - 54
Rod Rance, Amel Fan - Future owner ;)


Geo Uhrich
 

Hello Joel,

How about comparing the 54 to the new 50?

I’m sure lots of people would be very interested…  The new hull shape and resulting stability factor may be a concern for blue water sailing, including her motion against weather...

Geo



On Oct 21, 2021, at 11:14 AM, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Thanks, Rod. They are both superb cruising yachts but I found my Amel 54 to be a better boat by just about every measure compared with the two Super Maramus that I owned and enjoyed every moment I was aboard. For most of my clients, it is more about what they choose to afford for their next boat rather than absolute personal preference.
 
All the best,
Joel 
 
           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.
                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy
UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE
                                  Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rod Rance
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 9:03 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] FW: Comparing Amel Super Maramu to the Amel 54 & 55
 
What a great read Joel, thank you so much for sharing this - I think you have helped me decide (confirm) which Amel I want - 54
Rod Rance, Amel Fan - Future owner ;)



David Dickman
 

hi Rod,
   I am just getting ready to purchase an Amel and would really appreciate seeing the article if possible.

Thanks,
    David

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 8:02 AM Rod Rance <rjrance@...> wrote:
What a great read Joel, thank you so much for sharing this - I think you have helped me decide (confirm) which Amel I want - 54
Rod Rance, Amel Fan - Future owner ;)


 

I agree it is great!

You'll find a copy here: https://preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_2.html

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 3:15 PM David Dickman <jdd91656@...> wrote:
hi Rod,
   I am just getting ready to purchase an Amel and would really appreciate seeing the article if possible.

Thanks,
    David

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 8:02 AM Rod Rance <rjrance@...> wrote:
What a great read Joel, thank you so much for sharing this - I think you have helped me decide (confirm) which Amel I want - 54
Rod Rance, Amel Fan - Future owner ;)


amelforme
 

I find it a remarkable coincidence that the article I penned on the 53,54 and 55 has a picture of me at the helm of my Amel 54 HOLLIS taken by the guy who I think is the best sailboat photographer in the world, my good buddy Billy Black, directly behind it. How fortuitous.

 

Bill, I never did sign a model release for that image. You will be hearing from my agent in the morning…

 

All the best,

Joel

 

           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.

                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                  Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 5:02 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] FW: Comparing Amel Super Maramu to the Amel 54 & 55

 

I agree it is great!

 

You'll find a copy here: https://preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_2.html

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

 

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 3:15 PM David Dickman <jdd91656@...> wrote:

hi Rod,

   I am just getting ready to purchase an Amel and would really appreciate seeing the article if possible.

 

Thanks,

    David

 

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 8:02 AM Rod Rance <rjrance@...> wrote:

What a great read Joel, thank you so much for sharing this - I think you have helped me decide (confirm) which Amel I want - 54
Rod Rance, Amel Fan - Future owner ;)


 

Joel,

You need to discuss it with the company that I pay a royalty for using it. The company and contact that I paid is Alamy Limited 
Alamy is a British privately owned stock photography agency launched in September 1999. Its headquarters are in Milton Park, near Abingdon, Oxfordshire, United Kingdom. 
Parent organizations: PA Media, PA Media Group
Founders: Mike Fischer, James West


Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 5:05 PM amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

I find it a remarkable coincidence that the article I penned on the 53,54 and 55 has a picture of me at the helm of my Amel 54 HOLLIS taken by the guy who I think is the best sailboat photographer in the world, my good buddy Billy Black, directly behind it. How fortuitous.

 

Bill, I never did sign a model release for that image. You will be hearing from my agent in the morning…

 

All the best,

Joel

 

           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.

                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                  Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 5:02 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] FW: Comparing Amel Super Maramu to the Amel 54 & 55

 

I agree it is great!

 

You'll find a copy here: https://preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_2.html

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

 

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 3:15 PM David Dickman <jdd91656@...> wrote:

hi Rod,

   I am just getting ready to purchase an Amel and would really appreciate seeing the article if possible.

 

Thanks,

    David

 

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 8:02 AM Rod Rance <rjrance@...> wrote:

What a great read Joel, thank you so much for sharing this - I think you have helped me decide (confirm) which Amel I want - 54
Rod Rance, Amel Fan - Future owner ;)


Jamie Wendell
 

Reading this thread, I thought I might add a few words here, as I have an Amel 54 which I absolutely love. While I like some of the "features" of the 55 (and yes even the 50 which would be out of my realm), I cannot think of a better boat than the 54. The SM would be a close second to me, but the interior layout of the 54 pushed me there when I saw my first 54 in the US Virgins about 6 years ago. I have never seen another boat with those separated seats in the saloon - really fantastic - kind of like "theatre seats."
I will also say that in the 3 rallies to and from the Caribbean I have been in, we were first across the finish line in the BVIs in one case and second (to a Gunboat 60) in another trip. I have had crew tell me they have never sailed that fast. Most boats in that size range cannot keep up.
So, not to disrupt the analysis, ANY Amel would be the best you can do IMHO.
Jamie
Phantom, A54#44


 

Jamie,

I agree completely. The SM is great, the 54 better, and if Amel had used Reckmann, maybe the 54 would be best.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:30 PM Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:

Reading this thread, I thought I might add a few words here, as I have an Amel 54 which I absolutely love. While I like some of the "features" of the 55 (and yes even the 50 which would be out of my realm), I cannot think of a better boat than the 54. The SM would be a close second to me, but the interior layout of the 54 pushed me there when I saw my first 54 in the US Virgins about 6 years ago. I have never seen another boat with those separated seats in the saloon - really fantastic - kind of like "theatre seats."
I will also say that in the 3 rallies to and from the Caribbean I have been in, we were first across the finish line in the BVIs in one case and second (to a Gunboat 60) in another trip. I have had crew tell me they have never sailed that fast. Most boats in that size range cannot keep up.
So, not to disrupt the analysis, ANY Amel would be the best you can do IMHO.
Jamie
Phantom, A54#44


Bruno COTTE
 

Of course the 55 is a little bit more complicated due mainly to the electrical  circuit which has more safety elements than on 54 ( relays etc …) it is obviously also more modern as a younger model which also takes into account experience on previous boats . If you are capable to understand and repair electrical potential problems for me the 55 is the best … depending also of the main engine …
All engines are good but capability to find spares easily or a good mechanical advise if needed is not easy with some brands …
The weakest point of the 55 is the price which is close to the double of a 54… 

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 22 oct. 2021 à 04:42, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> a écrit :


Jamie,

I agree completely. The SM is great, the 54 better, and if Amel had used Reckmann, maybe the 54 would be best.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:30 PM Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:

Reading this thread, I thought I might add a few words here, as I have an Amel 54 which I absolutely love. While I like some of the "features" of the 55 (and yes even the 50 which would be out of my realm), I cannot think of a better boat than the 54. The SM would be a close second to me, but the interior layout of the 54 pushed me there when I saw my first 54 in the US Virgins about 6 years ago. I have never seen another boat with those separated seats in the saloon - really fantastic - kind of like "theatre seats."
I will also say that in the 3 rallies to and from the Caribbean I have been in, we were first across the finish line in the BVIs in one case and second (to a Gunboat 60) in another trip. I have had crew tell me they have never sailed that fast. Most boats in that size range cannot keep up.
So, not to disrupt the analysis, ANY Amel would be the best you can do IMHO.
Jamie
Phantom, A54#44


Scott SV Tengah
 

I agree that Amel made a big mistake using the Bamar MEJ furlers on the 54. Both our staysail and Genoa furlers failed shortly after we bought the boat. The top seal was poorly designed, dries out and the furlers each had half a liter or more of water in them.

The replacement Bamar EJF are better, although not perfect. The Genoa EJF furler failed a few months after install due to a manufacturing defect (replaced by Bamar under warranty, thankfully) and they inexplicably have aluminum sandwiched right next to stainless, which causes the pretty black paint to bubble right off.

Jamie did it right by biting the bullet, opening his wallet wide and replacing his Bamar with Reckmann. That said, our EJF have performed flawlessly since Feb 2019 despite the paint bubbling.

Bruno - I am curious what other electrical safety measures Amel introduced with the 55 that do not exist on the earlier boats? Many of us have modified the electrical system on our boats quite a bit to accommodate lithium, so I'd love to hear what else we can do to improve the safety of our systems. I added three fuses, one 450amp for each 12v pair, to the battery bank. It has already saved us once when a marine electrician forgot to turn off the main switches when repairing the bow thruster. 

We looked at the 55 during our boat buying process and the layout change did not suit OUR needs. We are mostly double handed but sometimes bring friends aboard. And they aren't always couples, so having the bunk beds was really important. And we didn't want the master suite up front. Of course, this is a personal preference. That boat is beautiful, though.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Alain Durante
 

Bonjour Rod,

 

I am the owner of a beautiful Amel 54 and she will be for sale soon.*

The boat is located in south of France.

 

Let me know if you might be interested?

 

Cordialement,

 

Alain Durante

Amel 54 / Meige

 

 

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hi Rod,

   I am just getting ready to purchase an Amel and would really appreciate seeing the article if possible.

 

Thanks,

    David

 

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 8:02 AM Rod Rance <rjrance@...> wrote:

What a great read Joel, thank you so much for sharing this - I think you have helped me decide (confirm) which Amel I want - 54
Rod Rance, Amel Fan - Future owner ;)