Galley sink drain


Joan Blaas
 

A primary collection point of the gray water outside of the engine room seems to be a great innovation on the A50. 


Mark Barter
 

Our Super Maramu has a drain under the galley sink that goes directly into the sea. There is an option to divert the grey water from the sink into the sump. There is some gurgling on starboard tack but that is the only downside as far as I can see. I wouldn't have it arranged any other way. The sump is so much easier to clean and needs cleaning a lot less frequently. 

The only problem is that any animal fat that you allow down the sink will meet seawater and if it is cold enough it will congeal and potentially block the sink. This happened to us once. Since then we wipe as much fat off the plates as possible before washing up.

I didn't install the drain but it is a very simple set up. The through hull is an inch and quarter. 

Mark
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Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Joerg Esdorn
 

The other advantage of the Amel 50/60 grey water tank vs. the prior models’ grey water in the bilge is that the tank doesn’t smell as it is hermetically sealed.  At least, that’s the theory.  So presumably you can wait longer to clean the tank …..

This summer, we used the cockpit drain on the starboard side for the first time to dispose of left over food stuff.  The problem is that whatever you throw down there has the tendency of ending up on the cockpit door which slides down into the space by the drain.  But one could put a board there to close the space off from the cockpit door.  Another option I’m considering.  Thanks everyone for your thoughts.  I would love to hear from the A55 owner who put in the through hull.  Does it gurgle like on Mark’s SM?  

Joerg

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Currently in La Rochelle


Mohammad Shirloo
 

We flush the bilge several times with water and dish washing liquid once or twice every season and we do not have any issues with smell. I pour dish washing liquid in the bilge and leave the water hose running. This creates a large foam volume in the bilge. While the bilge pump runs, I also pump the manual pump that extracts all the solids from the bottom. I usually spend 2-4 hours a season on this task. In my opinion, the design is sound and eliminating this task by making an additional hole in the hull, creates more issues than it solves.

 

Also, as Bill stated, If I were looking at purchasing another Amel, this modification would certainly weigh heavily on the negative side.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joerg Esdorn via groups.io
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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Galley sink drain

 

The other advantage of the Amel 50/60 grey water tank vs. the prior models’ grey water in the bilge is that the tank doesn’t smell as it is hermetically sealed.  At least, that’s the theory.  So presumably you can wait longer to clean the tank …..

This summer, we used the cockpit drain on the starboard side for the first time to dispose of left over food stuff.  The problem is that whatever you throw down there has the tendency of ending up on the cockpit door which slides down into the space by the drain.  But one could put a board there to close the space off from the cockpit door.  Another option I’m considering.  Thanks everyone for your thoughts.  I would love to hear from the A55 owner who put in the through hull.  Does it gurgle like on Mark’s SM?  

Joerg

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Currently in La Rochelle


Joerg Esdorn
 

We all have our own technique for dealing with the bilge.  We clean every dish with paper towels before washing up, going through countless rolls of paper every season.  Then I put 150 g of hydrochloric acid into the bilge once a week and clean out the bilge with a brush and a wet vac once a season.  It is a disgusting task because of all the food residue caked to the hoses and the bilge pump switch assembly.  I have to cover the engine with a tarp to avoid getting grey water all over it.  I need to pull out each of the seven or so hoses, scrub them individually and tie them all to one side in order to even get a scrubber in to the bilge.  I also use a Karcher to get the stuff off the hoses and bilge walls.  And then I have to be concerned about disposing of the dirty water and other waste.  So I can’t do this in a nice marina.  

Given all this effort, I’m asking myself why?  No other quality boat, Swan, Oyster, discovery, you name it, has a bilge setup like the Amel.  I understand that one through hull is better than two, at least theoretically, but I tend to think it’s a ephemeral advantage.  In reality, what counts is that the through hulls are in the engine room, which is watertight.   I also understand that if I were ever to sell the boat, some purists would snuff their noses at mine.   But then, it should cost only a couple of boat dollars to close it back up and I think some potential buyers might see it as an advantage!  


Is there anything I’m missing?  


Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Currently in La Rochelle 

 


Paul Harries
 

Has anyone considered interjecting something akin to a grease trap between the sink outlet and the drain pipe leading to the bilge? 
Inserting such a device could result in collecting food rescue etc in a container under the sink and avoid getting it into the bilge.
A simple course filter type system might just do the trick.

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Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Paul , 

When we bought Pen Azen as a new boat we had Amel add a short length of stainless pipe to the hole where the forward drain spills into the bilge . That allows us to cover the end of the pipe with a piece of nylon stocking . That catches all the gunk and we change it every 2-3 weeks 
We also do the same to the end of the hose from the aft heads. 
You will be surprised at how much stuff we catch that way— or maybe you won’t ! 
The idea was given to us by a Swiss lady who owned a Sharki

Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM 302, Greece


On 20 Oct 2021, at 18:37, Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries@...> wrote:

Has anyone considered interjecting something akin to a grease trap between the sink outlet and the drain pipe leading to the bilge? 
Inserting such a device could result in collecting food rescue etc in a container under the sink and avoid getting it into the bilge.
A simple course filter type system might just do the trick.

--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Ron Hynes
 

Instead of exiting the galley sink with a thru hull, why not just have a fitting a few inches above the waterline like they have on all the early Amel‘s and lots of other boats?

Ron Hynes
954.319.0944

On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:23 PM, ianjudyjenkins@... wrote:

 Paul , 

When we bought Pen Azen as a new boat we had Amel add a short length of stainless pipe to the hole where the forward drain spills into the bilge . That allows us to cover the end of the pipe with a piece of nylon stocking . That catches all the gunk and we change it every 2-3 weeks 
We also do the same to the end of the hose from the aft heads. 
You will be surprised at how much stuff we catch that way— or maybe you won’t ! 
The idea was given to us by a Swiss lady who owned a Sharki

Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM 302, Greece


On 20 Oct 2021, at 18:37, Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries@...> wrote:

Has anyone considered interjecting something akin to a grease trap between the sink outlet and the drain pipe leading to the bilge? 
Inserting such a device could result in collecting food rescue etc in a container under the sink and avoid getting it into the bilge.
A simple course filter type system might just do the trick.

--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Paul Harries
 


Nick Newington
 

I have a fairly laid back attitude to the washing up routine. We wash dishes normally, I manually pump the bilge every couple of days. 
I can not go along with the idea of wiping down with paper towels unless it is a really greasy pan. Then about every two weeks I poor some caustic soda solution or crystals into the bilge and use a long handle scrubbing brush, that lives in the engine room, and a fresh water hose to give it a good scrub. Takes about five minutes every couple of weeks.

I do not find this particularly arduous.
Nick
SY  Amelia
Bozburum Turkey


On 20 Oct 2021, at 20:52, Ron Hynes <riffhynes@...> wrote:

Instead of exiting the galley sink with a thru hull, why not just have a fitting a few inches above the waterline like they have on all the early Amel‘s and lots of other boats?

Ron Hynes
954.319.0944

On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:23 PM, ianjudyjenkins@... wrote:

 Paul , 

When we bought Pen Azen as a new boat we had Amel add a short length of stainless pipe to the hole where the forward drain spills into the bilge . That allows us to cover the end of the pipe with a piece of nylon stocking . That catches all the gunk and we change it every 2-3 weeks 
We also do the same to the end of the hose from the aft heads. 
You will be surprised at how much stuff we catch that way— or maybe you won’t ! 
The idea was given to us by a Swiss lady who owned a Sharki

Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM 302, Greece


On 20 Oct 2021, at 18:37, Paul Harries via groups.io <Pharries@...> wrote:

Has anyone considered interjecting something akin to a grease trap between the sink outlet and the drain pipe leading to the bilge? 
Inserting such a device could result in collecting food rescue etc in a container under the sink and avoid getting it into the bilge.
A simple course filter type system might just do the trick.

--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer