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Gib Track Plugs


Mark Erdos
 

I am getting ready to tackle a project I have been putting off for a while. I need to replace the screw cover plugs in the genoa track. I would like to get this right the first time and not have to redo this.

 

I ordered plugs from Amel. I was sent white semi opaque plugs the exact size of the hole. I am not sure these are going to have much UV protection so I have a question to those who have done this. Did you cover or treat the top of the plug with something such as paint before installation?

 

I have some Dow 737 goop to seal the plugs (this was recommended on this forum). I do not think this has any UV protection properties, so again, the same question. How do I protect the plug?

 

Many thanks.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


Mike Ondra
 

Hi Mark. As an alternative to consider, here’s a different approach. After thoroughly cleaning out the old material I filled the hole with white silicone. It tends to shrink while curing so I left a significant crown of material when filling each hole. Then after several days (maybe a week to be sure) of curing cut the silicone flush with a razor blade. Very clean result and it looks like new after 4 years. Have not had the “opportunity” to dig one out to verify adhesion. I would be very interested to hear of other‘s solutions.

Mike Ondra
ALETES SM#240
Rock Hall, MD


On Dec 8, 2020, at 10:09 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:



I am getting ready to tackle a project I have been putting off for a while. I need to replace the screw cover plugs in the genoa track. I would like to get this right the first time and not have to redo this.

 

I ordered plugs from Amel. I was sent white semi opaque plugs the exact size of the hole. I am not sure these are going to have much UV protection so I have a question to those who have done this. Did you cover or treat the top of the plug with something such as paint before installation?

 

I have some Dow 737 goop to seal the plugs (this was recommended on this forum). I do not think this has any UV protection properties, so again, the same question. How do I protect the plug?

 

Many thanks.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


eric freedman
 

Hi Mark,

Amel sent me plugs years ago. They looked like the original ones that came with my new boat, but they did not fit. Do your plugs fit the hole?

Olivier suggested something like life caulk ,and as was mentioned put too much in the hole. Wait a week and trim it flush. Looks and works great.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 10:17 PM
To: AmelYachtOwners@groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Gib Track Plugs

 

I am getting ready to tackle a project I have been putting off for a while. I need to replace the screw cover plugs in the genoa track. I would like to get this right the first time and not have to redo this.

 

I ordered plugs from Amel. I was sent white semi opaque plugs the exact size of the hole. I am not sure these are going to have much UV protection so I have a question to those who have done this. Did you cover or treat the top of the plug with something such as paint before installation?

 

I have some Dow 737 goop to seal the plugs (this was recommended on this forum). I do not think this has any UV protection properties, so again, the same question. How do I protect the plug?

 

Many thanks.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Mark,

I replaced mine with the plugs from Amel. Very happy with the result. I cleaned out the holes and tapped the new plugs in with a rubber hammer. Takes a while digging the old and crumbling plugs but after 18 years I guess the plugs had done well. In the dark recesses of my mind there is a memory that there are two sizes. Not sure about that though.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 09 December 2020 at 16:16 Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

I am getting ready to tackle a project I have been putting off for a while. I need to replace the screw cover plugs in the genoa track. I would like to get this right the first time and not have to redo this.

 

I ordered plugs from Amel. I was sent white semi opaque plugs the exact size of the hole. I am not sure these are going to have much UV protection so I have a question to those who have done this. Did you cover or treat the top of the plug with something such as paint before installation?

 

I have some Dow 737 goop to seal the plugs (this was recommended on this forum). I do not think this has any UV protection properties, so again, the same question. How do I protect the plug?

 

Many thanks.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


 


 


Mark Erdos
 

Thanks Eric. Yes my plugs do fit.

 

I like the caulk idea but I already have the plugs and I think using them might be less labor intensive.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 7:35 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gib Track Plugs

 

Hi Mark,

Amel sent me plugs years ago. They looked like the original ones that came with my new boat, but they did not fit. Do your plugs fit the hole?

Olivier suggested something like life caulk ,and as was mentioned put too much in the hole. Wait a week and trim it flush. Looks and works great.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 10:17 PM
To: AmelYachtOwners@groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Gib Track Plugs

 

I am getting ready to tackle a project I have been putting off for a while. I need to replace the screw cover plugs in the genoa track. I would like to get this right the first time and not have to redo this.

 

I ordered plugs from Amel. I was sent white semi opaque plugs the exact size of the hole. I am not sure these are going to have much UV protection so I have a question to those who have done this. Did you cover or treat the top of the plug with something such as paint before installation?

 

I have some Dow 737 goop to seal the plugs (this was recommended on this forum). I do not think this has any UV protection properties, so again, the same question. How do I protect the plug?

 

Many thanks.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


Mark Erdos
 

Thanks Danny. I have a dremel tool bit I think will work well to clean the holes. Just to clarify, you didn’t coat the plugs with anything? And they have lasted well?

 

 

I do believe there is more than one size. Maud asked me to measure the holes to make certain she shipped the correct ones.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 8:17 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gib Track Plugs

 

Hi Mark,

I replaced mine with the plugs from Amel. Very happy with the result. I cleaned out the holes and tapped the new plugs in with a rubber hammer. Takes a while digging the old and crumbling plugs but after 18 years I guess the plugs had done well. In the dark recesses of my mind there is a memory that there are two sizes. Not sure about that though.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 09 December 2020 at 16:16 Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

I am getting ready to tackle a project I have been putting off for a while. I need to replace the screw cover plugs in the genoa track. I would like to get this right the first time and not have to redo this.

 

I ordered plugs from Amel. I was sent white semi opaque plugs the exact size of the hole. I am not sure these are going to have much UV protection so I have a question to those who have done this. Did you cover or treat the top of the plug with something such as paint before installation?

 

I have some Dow 737 goop to seal the plugs (this was recommended on this forum). I do not think this has any UV protection properties, so again, the same question. How do I protect the plug?

 

Many thanks.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


 


 


Mark Erdos
 

Hi Mike,

 

Thanks. Good idea. But, I already have the plugs.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 2:44 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gib Track Plugs

 

Hi Mark. As an alternative to consider, here’s a different approach. After thoroughly cleaning out the old material I filled the hole with white silicone. It tends to shrink while curing so I left a significant crown of material when filling each hole. Then after several days (maybe a week to be sure) of curing cut the silicone flush with a razor blade. Very clean result and it looks like new after 4 years. Have not had the “opportunity” to dig one out to verify adhesion. I would be very interested to hear of other‘s solutions.


Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

 



On Dec 8, 2020, at 10:09 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:



I am getting ready to tackle a project I have been putting off for a while. I need to replace the screw cover plugs in the genoa track. I would like to get this right the first time and not have to redo this.

 

I ordered plugs from Amel. I was sent white semi opaque plugs the exact size of the hole. I am not sure these are going to have much UV protection so I have a question to those who have done this. Did you cover or treat the top of the plug with something such as paint before installation?

 

I have some Dow 737 goop to seal the plugs (this was recommended on this forum). I do not think this has any UV protection properties, so again, the same question. How do I protect the plug?

 

Many thanks.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Mark,

I didn't coat them with anything. As to longevity, I only have two or three years up so far but I have no reason to expect them to fail prematurely.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 10 December 2020 at 11:53 Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Thanks Danny. I have a dremel tool bit I think will work well to clean the holes. Just to clarify, you didn’t coat the plugs with anything? And they have lasted well?

 

 

I do believe there is more than one size. Maud asked me to measure the holes to make certain she shipped the correct ones.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 8:17 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gib Track Plugs

 

Hi Mark,

I replaced mine with the plugs from Amel. Very happy with the result. I cleaned out the holes and tapped the new plugs in with a rubber hammer. Takes a while digging the old and crumbling plugs but after 18 years I guess the plugs had done well. In the dark recesses of my mind there is a memory that there are two sizes. Not sure about that though.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 09 December 2020 at 16:16 Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

I am getting ready to tackle a project I have been putting off for a while. I need to replace the screw cover plugs in the genoa track. I would like to get this right the first time and not have to redo this.

 

I ordered plugs from Amel. I was sent white semi opaque plugs the exact size of the hole. I am not sure these are going to have much UV protection so I have a question to those who have done this. Did you cover or treat the top of the plug with something such as paint before installation?

 

I have some Dow 737 goop to seal the plugs (this was recommended on this forum). I do not think this has any UV protection properties, so again, the same question. How do I protect the plug?

 

Many thanks.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


 


 

 



 


 


Mark Erdos
 

Thanks Danny. That’s reassuring.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 12:54 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gib Track Plugs

 

Hi Mark,

I didn't coat them with anything. As to longevity, I only have two or three years up so far but I have no reason to expect them to fail prematurely.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 10 December 2020 at 11:53 Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Thanks Danny. I have a dremel tool bit I think will work well to clean the holes. Just to clarify, you didn’t coat the plugs with anything? And they have lasted well?

 

 

I do believe there is more than one size. Maud asked me to measure the holes to make certain she shipped the correct ones.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 8:17 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gib Track Plugs

 

Hi Mark,

I replaced mine with the plugs from Amel. Very happy with the result. I cleaned out the holes and tapped the new plugs in with a rubber hammer. Takes a while digging the old and crumbling plugs but after 18 years I guess the plugs had done well. In the dark recesses of my mind there is a memory that there are two sizes. Not sure about that though.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 09 December 2020 at 16:16 Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

I am getting ready to tackle a project I have been putting off for a while. I need to replace the screw cover plugs in the genoa track. I would like to get this right the first time and not have to redo this.

 

I ordered plugs from Amel. I was sent white semi opaque plugs the exact size of the hole. I am not sure these are going to have much UV protection so I have a question to those who have done this. Did you cover or treat the top of the plug with something such as paint before installation?

 

I have some Dow 737 goop to seal the plugs (this was recommended on this forum). I do not think this has any UV protection properties, so again, the same question. How do I protect the plug?

 

Many thanks.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


 


 

 

 


 


 


Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

Aquarius was fitted with new plugs on the Genoa Track, used 5200. Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phe2_3JAji0

About 12:58 minutes is where it shows the new plugs.  I am happy with them, they were provided by AMEL and they fit.   Installed only 10 months ago.

Ken Powers
Aquarius Currently on the hard in Thailand.
SM2K262


Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi we replaced all our plastic Genoa plugs last year. I had to cut about two millimetre off each one as they were too long. I used a Stanley knife which cut through them easily. Cleaning out the holes was straight forward as the old ones (18 years old) were reasonably crumbly and UV damaged. I coated each one with clear silicon and tapped them in using a wooden dowel and a hammer. Once in it was just a matter of removing any excess silicon.

We are really happy with the job and the attached photo shows plugs in place along with our current COVID project. No the decks aren’t blue that’s masking tape.

Ross and Donna
SV INTREPID KIWI
SM2K #356
Currently in Finike, Turkey

On Thursday, December 10, 2020, 11:54 am, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:

Aquarius was fitted with new plugs on the Genoa Track, used 5200. Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phe2_3JAji0

About 12:58 minutes is where it shows the new plugs.  I am happy with them, they were provided by AMEL and they fit.   Installed only 10 months ago.

Ken Powers
Aquarius Currently on the hard in Thailand.
SM2K262


ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

  We used the Amel plastic plugs but in the Med sun they have a life of no more than 3-4 years

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Kilada , Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via groups.io <southernadventurer@...>
Sent: 10 December 2020 14:18
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gib Track Plugs
 
Hi we replaced all our plastic Genoa plugs last year. I had to cut about two millimetre off each one as they were too long. I used a Stanley knife which cut through them easily. Cleaning out the holes was straight forward as the old ones (18 years old) were reasonably crumbly and UV damaged. I coated each one with clear silicon and tapped them in using a wooden dowel and a hammer. Once in it was just a matter of removing any excess silicon.

We are really happy with the job and the attached photo shows plugs in place along with our current COVID project. No the decks aren’t blue that’s masking tape.

Ross and Donna
SV INTREPID KIWI
SM2K #356
Currently in Finike, Turkey


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On Thursday, December 10, 2020, 11:54 am, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:

Aquarius was fitted with new plugs on the Genoa Track, used 5200. Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phe2_3JAji0

About 12:58 minutes is where it shows the new plugs.  I am happy with them, they were provided by AMEL and they fit.   Installed only 10 months ago.

Ken Powers
Aquarius Currently on the hard in Thailand.
SM2K262


Mark Erdos
 

Thanks Ken, looks good.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 10:55 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gib Track Plugs

 

Aquarius was fitted with new plugs on the Genoa Track, used 5200. Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phe2_3JAji0

About 12:58 minutes is where it shows the new plugs.  I am happy with them, they were provided by AMEL and they fit.   Installed only 10 months ago.

Ken Powers
Aquarius Currently on the hard in Thailand.
SM2K262


Karen Smith
 

We installed the polyethylene plastic plugs from AMEL, and they lasted about 12 months in mostly tropical sun before crumbling away to uselessness. Cleanly and completely removing the remaining parts after the top has sun-rotted is very tedious, and not a job we wanted to do again.

We then filled the holes flush to the top with GE SCS2000 silicone, gray (essentially identical to Dow Corning 795).  Looks great, does not shrink when it cures, and has lasted 3 years without issue.  Since silicones are generally UV stable, I expect this will be as close to permanent solution as can be found on a boat.

If you go this route, give the upper surface of the track a good coat of wax before filling the holes.  That will make the inevitable bit of thin silicone film you smear on the surface wipe off easily after it cures.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie,
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA


Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

That’s interesting.

As mentioned we replaced ours 12 months ago and have been cruising in Croatia, Greece and Turkey over the summer and they still look as good as the day we put them in. 

See the attached photo.

On Sunday, December 13, 2020, 6:09 am, Karen Smith via groups.io <karenharmonie@...> wrote:

We installed the polyethylene plastic plugs from AMEL, and they lasted about 12 months in mostly tropical sun before crumbling away to uselessness. Cleanly and completely removing the remaining parts after the top has sun-rotted is very tedious, and not a job we wanted to do again.

We then filled the holes flush to the top with GE SCS2000 silicone, gray (essentially identical to Dow Corning 795).  Looks great, does not shrink when it cures, and has lasted 3 years without issue.  Since silicones are generally UV stable, I expect this will be as close to permanent solution as can be found on a boat.

If you go this route, give the upper surface of the track a good coat of wax before filling the holes.  That will make the inevitable bit of thin silicone film you smear on the surface wipe off easily after it cures.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie,
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA


Drew Gaffney
 

A number of our plugs were missing.  We cut pieces of fiberglass sail stiffener rods of the correct diameter and put them in with adhesive.  They’re been there for 5 seasons and are holding up well.  Most sail lofts will have “ends” that are too short for sails, but can be used to cut the plugs.
Drew Gaffney
Revelation,
SM2K 390
Carloforte, Sardinia


Aras Grinius
 

Another solution is to fill holes with silicone.
Aras
Sharkli #163 1988

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 12:32 PM Drew Gaffney <drew.gaffney@...> wrote:
A number of our plugs were missing.  We cut pieces of fiberglass sail stiffener rods of the correct diameter and put them in with adhesive.  They’re been there for 5 seasons and are holding up well.  Most sail lofts will have “ends” that are too short for sails, but can be used to cut the plugs.
Drew Gaffney
Revelation,
SM2K 390
Carloforte, Sardinia



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Aras Grinius