Maramu main furler gear box


Alex BAIZEAU
 

Hello, everyone! 

I’m trying to disassemble the main furler gearbox/manual furler. 

I managed to take it of the mast and open the top cover, but I’m stuck getting the shaft out, it seems like the manual furling assembly is preventing me from pulling it out.

If anyone has any tips that would be much appreciated 


Cheers Alex.

Maramu 1986 





Ken Smith
 

Alex,
Did you have any success in servicing the main manual furler?  If so, please share any insight for disassembly.

Thanks,
KenM202 Bon Edda


James Alton
 

Ken,

   In currently have both the main and the mizzen furler manual boxes on my Maramu apart.   I have obtained the needed seals and O-rings to reassemble these boxes but am struggling to find Alumaprep and Alodine  here in Turkey to help prepare the aluminum cases for primer and paint.   What aspect of the disassembly are you concerned about?   

James Alton
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Marmaris, Turkey


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Smith <ken363184@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jan 9, 2023 11:44 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Maramu main furler gear box

Alex,
Did you have any success in servicing the main manual furler?  If so, please share any insight for disassembly.

Thanks,
KenM202 Bon Edda


James Alton
 

Ken and Alex,

   I am attaching some photos of my main manual furler gearbox.  On my boat, the  main manual gearbox cannot be removed without raising the furling extrusion enough to clear the cup that the extrusion is inserted into at the bottom.  To raise the furling extrusion and make room for removal, you need to loosen or remove the four bolts on the top of the mast to release the large anodized aluminum plate on the top of the mast.  The anodized aluminum part I will be referring to is shown is being held by my wife in an attached photo. Note the large aluminum tube that extends down into the mast sail cavity.  The main furler extrusion rides inside this large aluminum tube and is captured by a phenolic ring screwed to the aluminum tube so that the extrusion cannot be withdrawn downwards more than a few inches.  My masts are down removal of the anodized part was an easy job but I think that it should be possible to remove the main manual gearbox with the mast still up and I will be trying this when the time comes to service it again.  One would need to have a safe haylard to go up on other than the genoa and main haylard since those two haylards are supported by the anodized aluminum part that needs to be raised.  I would first remove the four retaining bolts for the anodized aluminum part one by one, replacing them with a longer bolt, perhaps  around 3" long.  Once this was done the anodized aluminum part could be raised and blocked with wooden blocks to a height that would allow removal of the manual furler gearbox.  Since the furler extrusion is retained in the anodized aluminum part, you will need some help lifting the fairly heavy extrusion while you raise the anodized part and place blocking under it.  So once the main furling extrusion has been raised clear of the main manual gearbox, all you need to do is to lower the motor and gearbox by loosening the bolts on on the mast to slide it down and to then remove the two bolts holding the manual gearbox and it can then be slide out of the mast.  Top open the box you need to remove the 4 hex cap stainless screws that hold the case together  (see photo).  I would suggest treating these screws like a stuck bow thruster if they don't come out easily.  Mine had been in place for 34 years and I was able to remove all of the bolts without any breakages.   I soaked the screws with pentrating oil, tapped, heated, tried to gently remove them back and forth and repeated until all were removed  (btw, the mizzen manual gearbox is the same exact box on my boat except for the stem shaft passing through the mast being a different length on the two boxes)   Once the screws are out, my gearbox opened easily.  Below is a list of the seals that were in the gearbox:  The seals were the same for the mizzen manual gearbox.

1. Stem end seal:  CORTECO BA B10  25-35-7mm  Actual: 25-35-7.5  
2.  Stem housing main shaft: CFW A1 002 X7 (on seal) Actual: 30mm ID 40mm OD 7.3mm thick 
3.  Cap housing main shaft: Same as #2 above and included in 
4. Dust seal on top side of gearbox:  V30 A Triangle symbol inside a circle symbol, 51 Not installed size: 35mm OD 28mm ID, 6mm thick. Installed: 36.3 OD, 30mm ID, 6mm thick.  To fit 30mm shaft.  

   One suggestion to extend the life of the oil filled gearboxes and also the greased swivels on the Maramu is to slide the V-ring external seal up the output shaft and to then carefully clean the area below the shaft.  In the manual gearboxes there is an air space between the shaft and the internal seal that will be full of dirt and water if it has rained.  I used WD-40 to remove as much of this contamination as possible.  Once clean, pack any open cavity with a good waterproof grease and then slide the V-ring seal back in place so that it is compressing on the gearbox case. I use the Variprop special grease for this.  On my boat, all of the swivels also have the V-ring seals and I keep those greased as well.  I really think that this bit of service helps a lot since all of my gearboxes and two of the swivels on the boat were dry when I opened them despite the main shaft seals being quite old.  I am personally very impressed by the quality of these gearboxes and swivels.  The gears and bearings are massive for the loads they see which makes me feel very confident in these furling systems well done Amel!

Hope this helps.

James Alton
SV Sueno
Maramu #220 


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Smith <ken363184@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jan 9, 2023 11:44 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Maramu main furler gear box

Alex,
Did you have any success in servicing the main manual furler?  If so, please share any insight for disassembly.

Thanks,
KenM202 Bon Edda


Ken Smith
 

James,
   Thank you very much for the details and exactly what I'm looking for.  I've removed the furler from the mast along with the 4 hex cap stainless screws.  Separating the gear box into separate parts is my next challenge as the gear box is not coming apart easily.  Soaking with penetrating oil now and will continue to try and easily dissemble. It is very clogged up inside as it was difficult to furl the main and the key reason for servicing the furler. Thank you again for the detailed procedures!

Ken Smith
SV Bon Edda M202


James Alton
 

Ken,

   Glad to hear that you were able to remove the manual gearbox.  Best of luck with the servicing.  I found that the bolts were mostly stuck by corrosion in the cap part of the gearbox so concentrating my heat there seem to give the best result.  Enjoy your Maramu!

Best,

James


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Smith <ken363184@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2023 5:19 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Maramu main furler gear box

James,
   Thank you very much for the details and exactly what I'm looking for.  I've removed the furler from the mast along with the 4 hex cap stainless screws.  Separating the gear box into separate parts is my next challenge as the gear box is not coming apart easily.  Soaking with penetrating oil now and will continue to try and easily dissemble. It is very clogged up inside as it was difficult to furl the main and the key reason for servicing the furler. Thank you again for the detailed procedures!

Ken Smith
SV Bon Edda M202


Ken Smith
 

Thank you for the insight. I've successfully disassembled both manual furler's and we are having challenges in replacing the cone bearing. The main shaft on the manual furler has a Cone Roller Bearing with a race on the shaft.   Once disassembled, the roller bearing was deteriorated and needs to be replaced.  However, the race on the shaft is proving difficult to remove by the machine shop. With the proximity to the gear along with safeguarding the shaft, we are hesitant to apply to much pressure on the press.

 

Can anyone confirm that the race must be removed or is there a type of cone bearing that can be used with the existing race?

 

Any insight is greatly appreciated.

 

Best Regards,

Ken Smith

M202 Bon Edda


Alan "Woody" Wood
 

Hi Ken

I did a maintenance blog a few years ago about servicing the main manual gearbox if it helps: https://youtu.be/rhX1Ew2yxbQ

Also electric gearboxes here: https://youtu.be/D_YMk_5JNRI

Having had endless problems with the furlers over the years I teamed up with Bryce Bindon on Ying Yang in New Zealand and we (him mostly!) rebuild the system from scratch using a VF44 Bonfilglioli and 24v  Clima motor (with a few modifications) at a VERY reasonable price.

I'll do a maintenance blog on it once I've completed the current job of rebuilding our upper C-drive :/