New engine for 1988 Mango


Kaplan,Andre
 

To all fellow Amelians
I have a 1988 Mango with a 4-236 Perkins engine with 13000 hours. Engine runs great, no smoke and good oil analysis. Unfortunately the engine starter has failed. I’m in a busy marina in Connecticut and over last 3 months they have found 4 replacement starters but none have worked… either they did not fit, had wrong voltage (my boat is 12 volts) or defective actuator. I am now wondering if I will ever be able to secure new starter and I am now considering a new engine…
I am asking for any advice on what options I have for a new engine… Any opinions would be greatly appreciated..
Andre Kaplan
Mango 71 88



On Aug 17, 2021, at 7:18 PM, Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32@...> wrote:


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Matt, You did not give your location, but if in the States ,I just bought a new alternator thru Hardin Marine for my Volvo TMD22a ,as I discovered my old one did not have an isolated ground ,be sure to buy one that is isolated. 
Pat
SM Shenanigans
Sassafras ,Md.


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt & Michelle Day, SM#208 SV Talia <charlesmatthewday@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2021 12:26 pm
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] VOLVO TMD22 Ext Reg Alternator

Hey Folks,

Looking for some guidance from the group from anyone whom has installed a higher output externally regulated alternator on their Volvo TMD22.  What brand did you choose?  What drove your decision process?  Any service or fitment issues worth mentioning?

Matt


Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Hello, Andre

i had a Perkins in our Old Boat until 5 years ago
The parts supply was good
if you want to ask me here in Germany I can try to ask the supplier

i need the engine number built for this
and then I'll try to get some photos.
Greetings
Elja
SM Balu 222

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


amelforme
 

Andre, unless your starter has been severely overheated (or on fire), or has had a structural failure, almost any starter can be rebuilt to better than new status. I would investigate all the commercial marine starter rebuilders and beat some bushes.  Rewinding and applying resin to armatures has been very common for decades.  Cast iron can be welded by talented craftsman and this is done in the antique automobile and vintage race car industry frequently where replacements are not available.

 

I know of stationary 4-236 engines to go 25,000 hours when used in agricultural irrigation applications. Once they are turned on they are rarely turned off. They have dual/separated crankcases and filter media so that new oil can be introduced without shutting them down. When they reach 25,000 hours, the guys who maintained them would purchase them, put new rings, bearings and seals in them and use them for their own projects or sell them to anxious waiting buyers. I saw one in process of an overhaul and the pistons were removed from the top of the block, not dropped out of the bottom. NO ridge at the top of the stroke as is usually present with this amount of hours.  Incredible. This was due to no heat cycles/temperature fluctuations, clean lubricants and excellent/consistent metallurgy.

 

The negative to this plan is other ancillary equipment such as heat exchangers, pumps and other essentials will become rare, then unobtainable. Even now new injectors are harder to find than a few

years ago. And since this is a dirty rotten stinky analog dinosaur, it could be legislated out of existence.

 

Seriously, when importing a used boat into the United States and some European countries, you must certify, under severe perjury penalties , that the engine in the boat is original and meets the tier emission standards in effect at the time , OR, if a replacement engine, it too meets the same standards. If the engine is a replacement, be sure to get manufacturers supplied proof of compliance with the appropriate regulations. I learned about this from hard experience with customs officials who don’t really care about anything than their retirement package.

 

If you do replace, Beta was a good choice but haven’t had any exposure to them for several years. My go to is Yanmar and I am proud that I pushed Amel hard to switch to them when Volvo started to get hinky with warranty reimbursements. Big leap of faith for Amel as Yanmar was not as well known in Europe and was still developing a sufficient dealer network. It all worked out well.

All the best,

Joel

 

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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kaplan,Andre
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 9:00 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New engine for 1988 Mango

 

To all fellow Amelians

I have a 1988 Mango with a 4-236 Perkins engine with 13000 hours. Engine runs great, no smoke and good oil analysis. Unfortunately the engine starter has failed. I’m in a busy marina in Connecticut and over last 3 months they have found 4 replacement starters but none have worked… either they did not fit, had wrong voltage (my boat is 12 volts) or defective actuator. I am now wondering if I will ever be able to secure new starter and I am now considering a new engine…

I am asking for any advice on what options I have for a new engine… Any opinions would be greatly appreciated..

Andre Kaplan

Mango 71 88

 




Arlo
 

I recently purchased (past March) a spare starter for my 1985 mango with the 4.236 engine. Give Jeff Beard a call, he is with perkinspower/ tradewindspower out of Miami. His number is 305-592-9745 ext. 107. His email is jeff@...


Eric Freedman
 

Why don’t you try a starter motor alternator rebuilding company ? I just had a motor rebuilt here on Long Island last week.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Kaplan,Andre
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 9:00 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] New engine for 1988 Mango

 

To all fellow Amelians

I have a 1988 Mango with a 4-236 Perkins engine with 13000 hours. Engine runs great, no smoke and good oil analysis. Unfortunately the engine starter has failed. I’m in a busy marina in Connecticut and over last 3 months they have found 4 replacement starters but none have worked… either they did not fit, had wrong voltage (my boat is 12 volts) or defective actuator. I am now wondering if I will ever be able to secure new starter and I am now considering a new engine…

I am asking for any advice on what options I have for a new engine… Any opinions would be greatly appreciated..

Andre Kaplan

Mango 71 88

 



On Aug 17, 2021, at 7:18 PM, Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32@...> wrote:



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Matt, You did not give your location, but if in the States ,I just bought a new alternator thru Hardin Marine for my Volvo TMD22a ,as I discovered my old one did not have an isolated ground ,be sure to buy one that is isolated. 

Pat

SM Shenanigans

Sassafras ,Md.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt & Michelle Day, SM#208 SV Talia <charlesmatthewday@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2021 12:26 pm
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] VOLVO TMD22 Ext Reg Alternator

Hey Folks,

Looking for some guidance from the group from anyone whom has installed a higher output externally regulated alternator on their Volvo TMD22.  What brand did you choose?  What drove your decision process?  Any service or fitment issues worth mentioning?

Matt


Ralf Schroeder
 

Hi Andre,

a dealer in GB has a new starter on stock: https://www.parts4engines.com/perkins-4-236-starter-motor/

It's a long way to US but I think, it's faster then again 3 months.

Best wishes
Ralf

Baghira, Sharki #42