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Reefing and sail-handling on conventionally rigged Maramu, versus electric furling?

Paul Villinski
 

Hello Brain Trust,

We are in the market for a Maramu or Santorin within striking distance of the US East Coast. I have been focused on 1985 or later vessels with electric furling main and genoa, as ease of reefing and sail-handling from the cockpit is very important to us. However, there are currently no boats with electric furling for sale near the East Coast, and I am now wondering about looking at earlier, conventionally rigged boats. My question for pre-1985 Maramu owners is: are the main halyard and reefing lines normally led back to the cockpit -- was the boat set up this way by the factory? Is it possible to hoist and reef the main and mizzen without leaving the cockpit? If this was not the original set-up, have owners modified their running rigging to make this possible? Finally, how do owners think about the value of electric furling on a Maramu versus conventional set-up? My inclination is to wait for a later boat with electric furling to come on the market, but I may be prioritizing this too much. I will appreciate you input and experience!

Many thanks,
Paul Villinski
NYC
currently sailing a 1986 Sabre 32

Bill Fletcher
 

Hi Paul

I currently own a 1985 Maramu but the only rub it is currently in New Zealand. If you are interested contact me directly. 

Bill

On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 11:48 AM Paul Villinski <paul@...> wrote:
Hello Brain Trust,

We are in the market for a Maramu or Santorin within striking distance of the US East Coast. I have been focused on 1985 or later vessels with electric furling main and genoa, as ease of reefing and sail-handling from the cockpit is very important to us. However, there are currently no boats with electric furling for sale near the East Coast, and I am now wondering about looking at earlier, conventionally rigged boats. My question for pre-1985 Maramu owners is: are the main halyard and reefing lines normally led back to the cockpit -- was the boat set up this way by the factory? Is it possible to hoist and reef the main and mizzen without leaving the cockpit? If this was not the original set-up, have owners modified their running rigging to make this possible? Finally, how do owners think about the value of electric furling on a Maramu versus conventional set-up? My inclination is to wait for a later boat with electric furling to come on the market, but I may be prioritizing this too much. I will appreciate you input and experience!

Many thanks,
Paul Villinski
NYC
currently sailing a 1986 Sabre 32

David Wallace
 

Paul,

Our 1982 Maramu did not have a reefing line or the halyard led to the cockpit. There were winches on the main mast for the halyard and for the reefing lines.

We also wanted the safety of managing all the sails from the cockpit so installed a Profurl furling boom and led the two lines to an electric winch mounted in the cockpit just to stbd of the companionway. The furling boom also gives you the added advantage of being to furl the main up to about 45 degrees off the wind since the sail goes up in a foil offset from the main: the foil is mounted on pins that are secured in the original mast sail track, and they are free to rotate. We had to drill holes through the cockpit base for the hard dodger to lead the lines through. Do that carefully, there’s a cable way full of wires in there!

Good luck in your search,

Dave Wallace
sv Air Ops 
Maramu #104

On Feb 3, 2020, at 10:48 AM, Paul Villinski <paul@...> wrote:

Hello Brain Trust,

We are in the market for a Maramu or Santorin within striking distance of the US East Coast. I have been focused on 1985 or later vessels with electric furling main and genoa, as ease of reefing and sail-handling from the cockpit is very important to us. However, there are currently no boats with electric furling for sale near the East Coast, and I am now wondering about looking at earlier, conventionally rigged boats. My question for pre-1985 Maramu owners is: are the main halyard and reefing lines normally led back to the cockpit -- was the boat set up this way by the factory? Is it possible to hoist and reef the main and mizzen without leaving the cockpit? If this was not the original set-up, have owners modified their running rigging to make this possible? Finally, how do owners think about the value of electric furling on a Maramu versus conventional set-up? My inclination is to wait for a later boat with electric furling to come on the market, but I may be prioritizing this too much. I will appreciate you input and experience!

Many thanks,
Paul Villinski
NYC
currently sailing a 1986 Sabre 32

Paul Villinski
 

David, thank you for telling me about your set-up on Air Ops, which sounds like a very good alternative to the Amel motorized, in-mast furling. My understanding is that in-boom furling allows the sail to have some roach, which isn't possible with in-mast furling, as well as battens. I am guessing there is a not insignificant improvement in performance with this arrangement? I've also been fortunate to hear from another owner of a conventionally rigged Maramu via email, and his experience has been nothing but positive -- he makes the case for the simplicity and reliability of the standard rig. 

sbmesasailor
 

Hi Paul,

If you have been reading this site for a while, you will have seen entries regarding the repair/maintenance of the motors and/or rigging of the electrical furling systems.  Don't get me wrong, this is not specific to Amels, it's just that the marine environment is very hard on electronics in general.

For this reason, I swapped out the genoa electric furler on my 1982 Maramu for a manual one.  After almost 20 years and a trip around the world, I haven't touched it other than to furl or unfurl the sail.

Before we left on our world tour, I routed the mail halyard, the first and second reefing lines, and a boom vang back to the cockpit and installed clutches (three on each side of the cockpit dash) and two winches (one on each side).  Obviously the benefit of this rigging is the absence of electric furling and that it's so convenient to reef the main, that I would always reef the minute it seemed appropriate.

If you decide to go this way (as was stated in another entry) you must be very careful boring holes through the dodger as the dash gauges have their cables running through the area you will be boring through.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121

Wade Shikoski
 

Dennis, 
Do you have a picture of how you have run your lines. Would be very interested in seeing specifically how you have this setup. 
Thanks!

wade
Maramu #124

David Wallace
 

Paul,
Yes our main does have battens. Profurl claims that the slot between the mast and foil creates added lift and thus speed but I can’t attest to that. For us the main advantages of the furling boom are that the main can be reefed off the wind, and of coarse the sail self-stows when lowered. But I just saw the response from Dennis Johns who has much greater experience than I do and I think he gives you a very good answer!

Dave Wallace
sv Air Ops
Maramu #104


On Feb 5, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Paul Villinski <paul@...> wrote:

David, thank you for telling me about your set-up on Air Ops, which sounds like a very good alternative to the Amel motorized, in-mast furling. My understanding is that in-boom furling allows the sail to have some roach, which isn't possible with in-mast furling, as well as battens. I am guessing there is a not insignificant improvement in performance with this arrangement? I've also been fortunate to hear from another owner of a conventionally rigged Maramu via email, and his experience has been nothing but positive -- he makes the case for the simplicity and reliability of the standard rig.