replacement rigging


Jose Alegria
 

Dear Amelians
My Amel 55 , hull nº 003 next year complete 10 years service.
It is time to replace the standing rigging.
What supplier you Recomend:

 ACMO
Screenshot 2021-11-10 at 17.13.07.png
 or 
BSI

Screenshot 2021-11-10 at 17.12.41.png
Thank you
José Alegria
A55#003MERIT
josealegr@...
Mobile: + 351 91 866 30 37



Bruno COTTE
 

ACMO 
Amel 55#63

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Le 10 nov. 2021 à 18:14, Jose Alegria <Josealegr@...> a écrit :


Dear Amelians
My Amel 55 , hull nº 003 next year complete 10 years service.
It is time to replace the standing rigging.
What supplier you Recomend:

 ACMO
Screenshot 2021-11-10 at 17.13.07.png
 or 
BSI

Screenshot 2021-11-10 at 17.12.41.png
Thank you
José Alegria
A55#003MERIT
josealegr@...
Mobile: + 351 91 866 30 37



 

Here is what I think:

I choose ACMO. They are real quality. 

But use ACMO, if for no other reason the wire will be cut to exact OEM measurements and will be the last spec that Amel gave them. Some of you know that Amel changed the specifications on the A54 twice. If you did not buy ACMO rigging, your rigger would have not known this and he would have used the same wire that you had.

If the wire is from ACMO, it is much easier for the rigger to "tune" it correctly, if he cuts the wire himself, well, you know.

I negotiated a discount for my clients with ACMO. I receive nothing from ACMO. Email Laetitia Boudon <Laetitia@...>. Tell her I gave you her contact info.




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On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 11:14 AM Jose Alegria <Josealegr@...> wrote:
Dear Amelians
My Amel 55 , hull nº 003 next year complete 10 years service.
It is time to replace the standing rigging.
What supplier you Recomend:

 ACMO
Screenshot 2021-11-10 at 17.13.07.png
 or 
BSI

Screenshot 2021-11-10 at 17.12.41.png
Thank you
José Alegria
A55#003MERIT
josealegr@...
Mobile: + 351 91 866 30 37



Craig Briggs
 

Hi José,
I am curious as to why you think 10 years is time to replace your rigging.
Some common reasons may include:
  • Your insurance company arbitrarily requires this to minimize their risk exposure.
  • You have been in the tropics for years.
  • You have inspected the rigging (or had it done) and have found corrosion/cracking/whatever.
  • You are about to undertake some serious ocean passages and want the added peace of mind new rigging may bring, notwithstanding cost.
10 years, imho, is needlessly conservative (and costly) for boats in moderate climates not being sailed full time.

I would definitely recommend ACMO - especially if you're in Europe. I did 1992 Santorin at 18 years (2010) when an aft lower mizzen broke at the lower swage while sailing off Sicily. Used ACMO and did the work myself - only about $6,000 US. 
Eleven years later (2021) I did it again after a mizzen backstay broke, also at the lower swage; this time it was just sitting at the dock!  Used US riggers in Ft Lauderdale, Nance and Underwood, who used a variety of suppliers, Hayne, Sta-loc, etc. and I had them provide the labor - cost $12,000 US. Used all Sta-loc fittings on lower end of stays (except headstay, of course). 

If you use ACMO, I would recommend paying a modest upcharge to have them supply mechanical fittings (at least on the bottoms) instead of all swaged. They have their own proprietary mechanical fittings, which are quite similar to the Norseman brand (which I believe is no longer in business).

Craig


SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Jose Alegria
 

Craig hi

Just  insurance company requires this to minimize their risk exposure.
For me don´t make any sense, all visible standing rigging is perfect !.... but they insist ..... 10 years....
Regards


José Alegria
A55#003MERIT
josealegr@...
Mobile: + 351 91 866 30 37




On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 at 14:13, Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi José,
I am curious as to why you think 10 years is time to replace your rigging.
Some common reasons may include:
  • Your insurance company arbitrarily requires this to minimize their risk exposure.
  • You have been in the tropics for years.
  • You have inspected the rigging (or had it done) and have found corrosion/cracking/whatever.
  • You are about to undertake some serious ocean passages and want the added peace of mind new rigging may bring, notwithstanding cost.
10 years, imho, is needlessly conservative (and costly) for boats in moderate climates not being sailed full time.

I would definitely recommend ACMO - especially if you're in Europe. I did 1992 Santorin at 18 years (2010) when an aft lower mizzen broke at the lower swage while sailing off Sicily. Used ACMO and did the work myself - only about $6,000 US. 
Eleven years later (2021) I did it again after a mizzen backstay broke, also at the lower swage; this time it was just sitting at the dock!  Used US riggers in Ft Lauderdale, Nance and Underwood, who used a variety of suppliers, Hayne, Sta-loc, etc. and I had them provide the labor - cost $12,000 US. Used all Sta-loc fittings on lower end of stays (except headstay, of course). 

If you use ACMO, I would recommend paying a modest upcharge to have them supply mechanical fittings (at least on the bottoms) instead of all swaged. They have their own proprietary mechanical fittings, which are quite similar to the Norseman brand (which I believe is no longer in business).

Craig


SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Bartłomiej Czarciński
 

Dear Jose,
maybe you need to think to change the insurance company. In Pantaenius we need only rigger checking between 10-15 years old standing rigging. 

Bartek Czarciński 


Joan Blaas
 

Hi Jose,

My insurance just requires a rigging check from a respectable rigger. My rigging is 10 years and that isn't any problem.

Regards,

Joan 
Caconano
Amel 55-05


Drew Gaffney
 

Pantaenius cancelled our insurance as they were leaving the US market about 18mo ago.  As EU residents, we requested coverage for for our boat in the Med.  They refused as our boat is USCG flagged and they said they would not cover USCG flagged boats.  I know many Amels are not US flagged, and for them, it's a good choice.  If US flagged, I wouldn't waste my time...
Drew
Revelation SM390
Lying Carloforte, Sardinia

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 11:50 AM Bartłomiej Czarciński <bartek@...> wrote:

Dear Jose,
maybe you need to think to change the insurance company. In Pantaenius we need only rigger checking between 10-15 years old standing rigging. 

Bartek Czarciński 


Jarek Zemlo
 

Jose Hi

I changed my rigging in 2020 and decided for BSI. Both ACMO and BSI are very good. I have no issues.
Jarek
SY NOA BLUE
SM 201


Craig Briggs
 

Hi José,
Wow - that certainly adds a lot to the equivalent insurance cost. A shame insurance options are few.
Best regards.
--
Craig Briggs - s/v Sangaris / SN68  Tropic Isle Harbor, FL